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Old 11-21-2008, 11:45 AM   #1
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Default Ford of Australia says NO! to Duratec V-6

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/21/f...ig-investment/

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"No, thanks," says Ford of Australia to the Duratec V6. Instead, Ford of Oz will invest $21 million to upgrade its homegrown inline six-cylinder and keep the invading powerplant out. The ongoing commitment to its own engine saves jobs at Ford's Geelong plant, as well as keeps local Australian suppliers healthy. It doesn't make any sense for gaskets, castings, bearings and other various parts to come from some other continent, so it's a piece of good news for the economy in Victoria. The engine will be freshened to meet Euro IV emissions standards and will keep thundering away down under with exemplary second-order vibration characteristics. The Falcon, Falcon Ute, and Territory will continue to be homegrown products with homegrown hearts, that we still badly want here in he States. C'mon Ford, if Pontiac can do it, you can, too. Thanks for the tip, everyone!
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Old 11-21-2008, 11:48 AM   #2
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bah.....they bring stuff here and **** it all up in the process and it ends up being garbage
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Old 11-21-2008, 12:23 PM   #3
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Ford of Austrailia to US Ford: No, we don't need your crap.
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Old 11-21-2008, 01:12 PM   #4
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Another chapter in the epic fail that is Ford USA.

I look at the Ford UK lineup, and no only do they have a great corporate style theme among their cars, but if you look at the current and recently older lineup: Euro Focus Mk II, Kuga, Ka, Fiesta, S-Max, Mondeo (sedan and estate)

Ford US deserves no govt bailout, yes it'll mean lost jobs, but the company needs to actually build and sell decent products, not just provide jobs, thats like the equivalent of pay ppl to dig ditches and fill them back up, repeat.

Both Ford and GM need some serious hard reboots and be rebuilt from the ground up with a new operating philosophy.
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:09 PM   #5
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Another chapter in the epic fail that is Ford USA.

I look at the Ford UK lineup, and no only do they have a great corporate style theme among their cars, but if you look at the current and recently older lineup: Euro Focus Mk II, Kuga, Ka, Fiesta, S-Max, Mondeo (sedan and estate)

Ford US deserves no govt bailout, yes it'll mean lost jobs, but the company needs to actually build and sell decent products, not just provide jobs, thats like the equivalent of pay ppl to dig ditches and fill them back up, repeat.

Both Ford and GM need some serious hard reboots and be rebuilt from the ground up with a new operating philosophy.
That's what is so sad about Ford and also GM. Both manufacturers are making pretty good products outside of the US. Then it's like they don't give a crap about their own domestic market. They have made a lot of improvements in recent years but it's too little too late.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:34 PM   #6
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That's what is so sad about Ford and also GM. Both manufacturers are making pretty good products outside of the US. Then it's like they don't give a crap about their own domestic market. They have made a lot of improvements in recent years but it's too little too late.
I suspect that it has a lot to do with internal conflict of interest. If they brought over more successful cars designed abroad, the US design teams would probably get cut in the next redundancy lay-offs. Its a shame that both companies have sunk so much money into tooling for their bland and unimpressive line-ups that they are unable to change even if they wanted to.

EDIT: I also find it pretty entertaining that we both forgot to mention Chrysler, like it is already a figure of past history haha.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:43 PM   #7
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That's what is so sad about Ford and also GM. Both manufacturers are making pretty good products outside of the US. Then it's like they don't give a crap about their own domestic market.
One of the things immigrants from Old Continent tell newcomers is "Do not buy Ford, it's not same kind you had back home".
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:33 PM   #8
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One of the things immigrants from Old Continent tell newcomers is "Do not buy Ford, it's not same kind you had back home".
HA HA!!! Soo true!
I have several coworkers from over seas and they were Big Ford fans. They were all excited that they would be able to get a great Ford. None of them even own a Domestic model now HA HA.

Sad as hell for sure.

If Ford sold this here
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...pressions.html

I would probably own one. 37.5pmg -6spd manual - split tailgate like the landcruiser so when you open the back your crap doesn't all fall out on the ground - but flop the lower down and you have a bench to sit on to put your hiking boots on etc.

An interior that doesn't look like an F150 an exterior thats sleek and pretty sharp looking.

If Ford does bring it - they'll Americanize it 25mpg gasser engine- automatic no 6spd option and it will have an F150 interior. Everything that makes the Euro version stand out compared to the CRV - RAV4 or Forrester will be gone, which means no reason for me to buy Ford which I'm not crazy about to start with.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:06 PM   #9
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[...]EDIT: I also find it pretty entertaining that we both forgot to mention Chrysler, like it is already a figure of past history haha.
I have spent a bit of time in Chrysler rentals (mostly Dodge rentals actually) here in the US. But I don't know much about Chrysler's lineup in the rest of the world (except maybe Jeep's lineup).
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:25 PM   #10
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I have spent a bit of time in Chrysler rentals (mostly Dodge rentals actually) here in the US. But I don't know much about Chrysler's lineup in the rest of the world (except maybe Jeep's lineup).
Chrylser doesnt really have foreign market only cars, the UK and europe basically get imported versions of the same cars sold in the US, and for the most part they aren't received very well, performance and fit/finish falls short of their european counterparts, even with the influence of MB back when they were still affiliated.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:43 PM   #11
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Although late to the party, ford is making strives to bring over European based cars. Of the two (gm and ford). I think Ford will come out on top. Hell I be the next camaro cost more to make then the updated mustang. I really think Ford is going to come out on top and we will see GM being the one in the food lines. Ford never even made a bid for Chrysler. Tells me they have some intelligence.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:44 PM   #12
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I am very curious what kind of confirmation this story has - because on a corporate level, I just don't see this happening
... if HQ wants you to use XYZ-part, chances are you are going to use XYZ-part whether you want to or not.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:52 PM   #13
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Chrylser doesnt really have foreign market only cars, the UK and europe basically get imported versions of the same cars sold in the US, and for the most part they aren't received very well, performance and fit/finish falls short of their european counterparts, even with the influence of MB back when they were still affiliated.
I see. I imagine it's tough selling a Dodge Magnum in Europe (even if the car has sold well here in the US).
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:29 PM   #14
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I suspect that it has a lot to do with internal conflict of interest. If they brought over more successful cars designed abroad, the US design teams would probably get cut in the next redundancy lay-offs. Its a shame that both companies have sunk so much money into tooling for their bland and unimpressive line-ups that they are unable to change even if they wanted to.

EDIT: I also find it pretty entertaining that we both forgot to mention Chrysler, like it is already a figure of past history haha.
wpuld you rather lose subpar white collar designers or hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers. as long as a plant is tooled they can build anything. the asshat design teams and managment dont really deserve a ****ing job
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Old 11-21-2008, 06:34 PM   #15
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I am very curious what kind of confirmation this story has - because on a corporate level, I just don't see this happening
... if HQ wants you to use XYZ-part, chances are you are going to use XYZ-part whether you want to or not.
not when your takehome is more then corporate
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Old 11-22-2008, 08:56 AM   #16
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Upper level global management should dictate that the best V6 deesign wins, and gets produced and used everywhere.
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not when your takehome is more then corporate
Point taken.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:50 AM   #18
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Is Ford AU trying to set themselves for a break from Ford US when a restructure/bankrupt comes?
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It also shows an abnormal concern for local jobs; very unamerican...
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I used to have the SVT Contour with the Duratec V6. That engine made a lot of noise and rackets but not horse power; just like teenager talking smack on the internet.
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Ford US should bring that engine here, not the other way around. The turbo I6 is great, that should be in the Mustang.
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