flutter

AK_2002_WRX · 03-26-2002, 04:27 AM

hey guys
i have had the Forge bov in my car for a day now

but it flutters sometimes before it actually blows off.
it would sound like this , pst pst pst then a quick pshh.

i have done a lot of searching

some people say its the turbo stalling or its turbo backspin.

other people say its the BOV's valve not opening all the way, they say taht the valve only opens only a little since not that much boost was made.

Hey Ofrder, what kinda spring was in it? some people say taht the forge comes with a red spring(really stiff) and that I need a blue or a green spring.

Did the forge behave like this on your car?

How bout everyone else, do your BOVs flutter?

i'm kinda worried about my turbo now

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WRXnFX · 03-26-2002, 04:54 AM

Hahahaha, Mike you're killing me. I thought you did all your research. Let me guess. It only happens at part throttle and not under WOT conditions.

Winslow

AK_2002_WRX · 03-26-2002, 05:10 AM

well, i think i know what it is, i just want everyone elses input

i just want to know if it is the turbo makin the noise, or the BOV itself makin the noise. i know turbo backspin would make a noticeable flutter noise, but the one i hear sort sounds like a "giggle." it will make its noise then do a quick pshh. this is at part throttle at aroun 3500-4000 rpms.

WRXnFX · 03-26-2002, 05:15 AM

I don't think it's the spring. Have you done any other intake mods? My BOV makes the same sound and I've heard it on other cars too. Does the Forge recirc? I think it is the turbo making noise. That is what I've read in past posts. It is a pretty common sound with cars with BOVs.

Winslow

AK_2002_WRX · 03-26-2002, 05:22 AM

well if Rob isn't having any problems with his car then i guess mine should be fine too. we'll have to hear what he has to say about it.

its just that noise it makes. it kind sounds like it comes from the BOV side of the engine and not the turbo.

WRXnFX · 03-26-2002, 05:32 AM

Really? I hear the flutter on the turbo side. Where is everybody? Oh yeah, its 130 in the morning. I see Rob on line around 6-7am.

Winslow

brokeawd · 03-26-2002, 07:12 AM

This flutter that you are hearing is air bouncing off the throttle body plate and turbine wheel exit side. As you would call it...air has no where to go or escape, this may be accompanied by a small jolt. Basically since its a aftermarket BOV the spring on the inside is heavier tension, unlike the stock one, so therefore it doesnt blow off like the stock one with small boost inputs i.e. get in throttle shortly then get out....probably sounds like a choking sound. You are backspinning the turbo a tad but nothing to be concerned with.

All in all you are gonna have to put up with this unless the bov has a soft/hard adjustment on it. If you set the spring to soft, boost pressure will blow off under WOT resulting in lost boost. So yes in a way stiffer is better.

DSM guys take the stock ones and crush them, which puts more tension on the spring, and cuts down on boost leaks. I still run a stock BOV on my car.....hope this helped some.

AK_2002_WRX · 03-27-2002, 05:05 AM

i got a check engine light today. i'm not sure if its related to the BOV or not, but it went on right after the bov vented during a shift

WRXnFX · 03-27-2002, 05:39 AM

I can't help but laugh. You put so much into the research of BOVs and look what happened. Sorry, but the light will probably go away after 50 miles. I can pull the code when I get back if it makes you feel better.

Winslow

R-RATED · 03-27-2002, 06:55 AM

Only in a high gear an low rpm when you dont produce that much boost and lay off the gas but problems with my bov not a sing thing thought.

SQUAD_907 · 03-27-2002, 09:15 AM

just reset the ecu...

AK_2002_WRX · 03-27-2002, 12:04 PM

yeh i reset the ECU again, 2nd time this week

first after Rob put it on, and yesterday.

i've never waited for a CE light to go off before, does it actually turn off on its own with out reseting it?

R-RATED · 03-27-2002, 05:48 PM

Yeah it turns off by it's self dont worry.

WRXnFX · 03-27-2002, 06:40 PM

Yup, usually after so many miles. The ECU runs continuous monitor tests and after so many good results it will turn off the light.

Winslow

R-RATED · 03-27-2002, 11:05 PM

Or if your worried reset the ECU.

AK_2002_WRX · 03-28-2002, 02:32 AM

i got another ******* check engine light again

maybe it is the bov

i dunno what the hell it is, but 2 CE lights in a row really ****ing sucks.

i checked everything in the engine bay, nothing seems wrong, i think i need to invest in a scan tool. i bet its the damn BOV.

WRXnFX · 03-28-2002, 04:55 AM

Damn OFRDER. Maybe he'll swap BOVs with you. Hmmm HKS huh? Sounds like a good deal. I'll be back Friday. I need to hook that software up to my car so I can pull the last code. I can do your too.

Winslow

SQUAD_907 · 03-28-2002, 05:30 AM

ofrder never got a cel with that bov...maybe it's something else? u never know til u bring up the code...

WRXnFX · 03-28-2002, 05:45 AM

Does the forge recirc? Or is it 100% blow off?

Winslow

SQUAD_907 · 03-28-2002, 05:50 AM

it's 100%...it comes with a plug...

Sokudo · 03-28-2002, 10:36 AM

Hmmm,never had cel issues when i had it in my car.Let's wait for Winslow so he can pull the codes and check what's the cause of the cel.

AK_2002_WRX · 03-28-2002, 10:38 AM

i had my ecu unplugged all night. hopefully it wont light up again.
yeah i think i need mine scanned too.

RallyX13 · 03-28-2002, 03:45 PM

To fix Check Engine Light, do the following:

1. Get a roll of Electrical Tape
2. Open drivers side door and get in seat.
3. Pull off a few small strips of tape.
4. Put tape on plastic gauge housing cover in the area of the offensive "Check Engine" light. Do not be afraid to use as much tape as you like.
5. Mod your car to your hearts content, without the little red light to bug you.

Kris

WRXnFX · 03-28-2002, 06:44 PM

The light is yellow. Go figure. Color blind people.

Good fix though.

Winslow

RallyX13 · 03-29-2002, 12:37 AM

Colors all the same....make no matter, make light go away!

Kris

03-26-2002, 04:27 AM	#1
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	flutter hey guys i have had the Forge bov in my car for a day now but it flutters sometimes before it actually blows off. it would sound like this , pst pst pst then a quick pshh. i have done a lot of searching some people say its the turbo stalling or its turbo backspin. other people say its the BOV's valve not opening all the way, they say taht the valve only opens only a little since not that much boost was made. Hey Ofrder, what kinda spring was in it? some people say taht the forge comes with a red spring(really stiff) and that I need a blue or a green spring. Did the forge behave like this on your car? How bout everyone else, do your BOVs flutter? i'm kinda worried about my turbo now * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

03-27-2002, 06:55 AM	#10
R-RATED Scooby Newbie Member#: 16875 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Anchorage Vehicle: 2002 WRX Infomous racing crew	? Only in a high gear an low rpm when you dont produce that much boost and lay off the gas but problems with my bov not a sing thing thought.

03-27-2002, 05:48 PM	#13
R-RATED Scooby Newbie Member#: 16875 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Anchorage Vehicle: 2002 WRX Infomous racing crew	ce light Yeah it turns off by it's self dont worry.

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03-26-2002, 04:54 AM	#2
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	Hahahaha, Mike you're killing me. I thought you did all your research. Let me guess. It only happens at part throttle and not under WOT conditions. Winslow

03-26-2002, 05:10 AM	#3
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	well, i think i know what it is, i just want everyone elses input i just want to know if it is the turbo makin the noise, or the BOV itself makin the noise. i know turbo backspin would make a noticeable flutter noise, but the one i hear sort sounds like a "giggle." it will make its noise then do a quick pshh. this is at part throttle at aroun 3500-4000 rpms.

03-26-2002, 05:15 AM	#4
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	I don't think it's the spring. Have you done any other intake mods? My BOV makes the same sound and I've heard it on other cars too. Does the Forge recirc? I think it is the turbo making noise. That is what I've read in past posts. It is a pretty common sound with cars with BOVs. Winslow

03-26-2002, 05:22 AM	#5
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	well if Rob isn't having any problems with his car then i guess mine should be fine too. we'll have to hear what he has to say about it. its just that noise it makes. it kind sounds like it comes from the BOV side of the engine and not the turbo.

03-26-2002, 05:32 AM	#6
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	Really? I hear the flutter on the turbo side. Where is everybody? Oh yeah, its 130 in the morning. I see Rob on line around 6-7am. Winslow

03-26-2002, 07:12 AM	#7
brokeawd Scooby Newbie Member#: 15796 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East A-Town Vehicle: 2003 Cobra 10.40@135 09 Titan Crew Cab LE	This flutter that you are hearing is air bouncing off the throttle body plate and turbine wheel exit side. As you would call it...air has no where to go or escape, this may be accompanied by a small jolt. Basically since its a aftermarket BOV the spring on the inside is heavier tension, unlike the stock one, so therefore it doesnt blow off like the stock one with small boost inputs i.e. get in throttle shortly then get out....probably sounds like a choking sound. You are backspinning the turbo a tad but nothing to be concerned with. All in all you are gonna have to put up with this unless the bov has a soft/hard adjustment on it. If you set the spring to soft, boost pressure will blow off under WOT resulting in lost boost. So yes in a way stiffer is better. DSM guys take the stock ones and crush them, which puts more tension on the spring, and cuts down on boost leaks. I still run a stock BOV on my car.....hope this helped some.

03-27-2002, 05:05 AM	#8
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	i got a check engine light today. i'm not sure if its related to the BOV or not, but it went on right after the bov vented during a shift

03-27-2002, 05:39 AM	#9
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	I can't help but laugh. You put so much into the research of BOVs and look what happened. Sorry, but the light will probably go away after 50 miles. I can pull the code when I get back if it makes you feel better. Winslow

03-27-2002, 09:15 AM	#11
SQUAD_907 Totally Biased Moderator Member#: 10104 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: 907 Vehicle: WOW! JUST WOW! I make posts disappear	just reset the ecu...

03-27-2002, 12:04 PM	#12
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	yeh i reset the ECU again, 2nd time this week first after Rob put it on, and yesterday. i've never waited for a CE light to go off before, does it actually turn off on its own with out reseting it?

03-27-2002, 06:40 PM	#14
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	Yup, usually after so many miles. The ECU runs continuous monitor tests and after so many good results it will turn off the light. Winslow

03-27-2002, 11:05 PM	#15
R-RATED Scooby Newbie Member#: 16875 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Anchorage Vehicle: 2002 WRX Infomous racing crew	Or if your worried reset the ECU.

03-28-2002, 02:32 AM	#16
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	i got another ***** check engine light again maybe it is the bov i dunno what the hell it is, but 2 CE lights in a row really **ing sucks. i checked everything in the engine bay, nothing seems wrong, i think i need to invest in a scan tool. i bet its the damn BOV.

03-28-2002, 04:55 AM	#17
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	Damn OFRDER. Maybe he'll swap BOVs with you. Hmmm HKS huh? Sounds like a good deal. I'll be back Friday. I need to hook that software up to my car so I can pull the last code. I can do your too. Winslow

03-28-2002, 05:30 AM	#18
SQUAD_907 Totally Biased Moderator Member#: 10104 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: 907 Vehicle: WOW! JUST WOW! I make posts disappear	ofrder never got a cel with that bov...maybe it's something else? u never know til u bring up the code...

03-28-2002, 05:45 AM	#19
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	Does the forge recirc? Or is it 100% blow off? Winslow

03-28-2002, 05:50 AM	#20
SQUAD_907 Totally Biased Moderator Member#: 10104 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: 907 Vehicle: WOW! JUST WOW! I make posts disappear	it's 100%...it comes with a plug...

03-28-2002, 10:36 AM	#21
Sokudo Scooby Specialist Member#: 11162 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage,AK Vehicle: MY98 A4 Avant	Hmmm,never had cel issues when i had it in my car.Let's wait for Winslow so he can pull the codes and check what's the cause of the cel.

03-28-2002, 10:38 AM	#22
AK_2002_WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10591 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anch, ak Vehicle: 2004 Silverado SS Victory Red	i had my ecu unplugged all night. hopefully it wont light up again. yeah i think i need mine scanned too.

03-28-2002, 03:45 PM	#23
RallyX13 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1543 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Greensboro, NC USA Vehicle: 2007 Jetta GLI Yellow	To fix Check Engine Light, do the following: 1. Get a roll of Electrical Tape 2. Open drivers side door and get in seat. 3. Pull off a few small strips of tape. 4. Put tape on plastic gauge housing cover in the area of the offensive "Check Engine" light. Do not be afraid to use as much tape as you like. 5. Mod your car to your hearts content, without the little red light to bug you. Kris

03-28-2002, 06:44 PM	#24
WRXnFX Alaskan Mafia Moderator Member#: 10398 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Corner of Easy and Lazy	The light is yellow. Go figure. Color blind people. Good fix though. Winslow

03-29-2002, 12:37 AM	#25
RallyX13 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1543 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Greensboro, NC USA Vehicle: 2007 Jetta GLI Yellow	Colors all the same....make no matter, make light go away! Kris