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Old 11-21-2008, 09:21 PM   #1
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:14 PM   #2
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Wheels break. It happens. You see quite a few stories about broken Rotas because A LOT of people have them. If .01% have issues, that .01% of 10000 is going be be more than .01% of 100. It's simple math. I've used Rotas for years without issues, as have thousands of others.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:38 PM   #3
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I don't know if the exact same ratio as Volks. Also, Rotas tend to be abused more than Volks. Most people are careful not to let their $2500 wheels get damaged, while people running Rotas usually don't care so much. Also, a lot of people is areas with rough roads probably buy Rotas because they don't want to use expensive wheels on roads that have the potential to kill them. Of course you'd have to do a LOT of research to find out what the exact numbers are.
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Old 11-21-2008, 11:16 PM   #4
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I know with me, I buy rotas to be beater rims. I don't treat my BBS's or Enkei's as carelessly as I do with the rotas that I have had.

And I know a few guys running rotas for winter rims; and being winter rims means higher likelihood of being damaged.

And I don't think there's any questions or debate about running rotas. They've been around long enough and used by enough people that people can make up their own opinions whether to put them on their cars or not.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:03 AM   #5
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Wheels I've used for street and track (autox and HPDE) with no problems to date

Rota Slipstreams
Stock BBS
Stock Enkei

Wheels I cracked on the street with a pothole

OZ Superleggera

Wheels arriving tomorrow that will be my primary auto-x and HPDE wheels

Rota DPT

I can't understand all the drama about this topic. And just for fun, cracked wheels I've seen at the auto-x over the last year were 3 piece CCWs on a GT3 and SSRs on a Subaru.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:21 AM   #6
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I've had a few sets of rotas.

Subzeros
G-force
Formula Mesh
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Boosts

not one problem, bend, crack, or hub failure...
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:15 AM   #7
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because we all know those people that have expensive wheels and use rotas to track because they dont want to **** them up.... wait if they are so ****ing superior then why would you be worried about something like that..

Friends dont let friends buy volks to hard park.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:58 AM   #8
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^^ have you tried to clean the track-pad brake dust off a nice set of wheels? Unless you do it before leaving the track to go home it's not easy. Meaning you might have to scrape/sand it off. On a set of gunmetal gray rotas, no big deal.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:11 AM   #9
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Cheap wheels don't always break. I had 18" MB Weapons that are like $125 a wheel, which is like as cheap as they come.

I hit some NYC potholes that scraped the bottom of my car and it felt like my struts were about to come though the body, but the wheels never bent or cracked. When my car was stolen, the tires were pretty much ripped off the wheels from offroading and hitting stuff, but the wheels had minor dents. I couldn't believe it.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:01 PM   #10
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I've run Rotas before.
From the late 90's on my Hondas, random track days, touge, etc.
I never had any issues, aside from the overall weight. Slipstreams, ftw.

But I did have a set of Rotas that cracked near a spoke. I was lucky enough to find the crack, and have it repaired before it failed on the street. I'll probably buy another set of Rotas one day, and would recommend them to friends, albeit, with a caveat.

Like Mavic said, you see a lot of Rotas on the street, so inevitibly you'll see failures. You also see a lot of sets without failures. That said, I will never consider Rota to be a respected manufacturer. To me, until they develop their own designs, and technologies, they'll be yet another pirate company offering cost effective solutions.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:20 PM   #11
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I like Rota's for what they are (cheap good looking street wheels). I wouldnt track them just because Joe Shmo tracks them. There is too much at risk under race conditions. Having the Rota wheels grenade under prolonged high speed turns/braking = disaster. But I dont see nothing wrong with pimping a cheap set of Rota's on a DD.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:23 PM   #12
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:45 PM   #13
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:58 PM   #14
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Like Mavic said, you see a lot of Rotas on the street, so inevitibly you'll see failures. You also see a lot of sets without failures. That said, I will never consider Rota to be a respected manufacturer. To me, until they develop their own designs, and technologies, they'll be yet another pirate company offering cost effective solutions.
Don't they OEM many wheels for auto manufacturers?
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:11 PM   #15
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Don't they OEM many wheels for auto manufacturers?
I've heard that, but it sounds like a marketing spiel.
What manufacturers are we talking about?
What kind of numbers are we talking?

Enkei and BBS are oem manufacturers. I know what cars their wheels come on. I'm really curious who uses the Rotas?

It's not a knock, or attack, I'm genuinely curious.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:13 PM   #16
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Don't they OEM many wheels for auto manufacturers?
I dont think so. But speaking for Subaru, the only wheels that were made oem were from BBS and Enkei.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:31 PM   #17
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I have a friend who is a Nissan enthusiast. Both his cars have aftermarket wheels - Enkei (track) & Work and Volk (street). After viewing a few of the "Member Gallery" threads here on NASIOC, he asked me why so many Subaru owners have Rotas. As he likes to say, "Friends don't let friends run Rotas". I told him that I guess it's because they're relatively inexpensive and they offer a variety of fitments for Subarus. Beyond that I couldn't say why they're so popular.

Currently, I don't have aftermarket wheels. That said, in terms of manufacturing flaws, no wheel company is 100% immune. The only thing I can say is that, as with most things, you get what you pay for.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:46 PM   #18
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I've heard that, but it sounds like a marketing spiel.
What manufacturers are we talking about?
What kind of numbers are we talking?

Enkei and BBS are oem manufacturers. I know what cars their wheels come on. I'm really curious who uses the Rotas?

It's not a knock, or attack, I'm genuinely curious.
The company's first produced its Rota Brand of wheels in 1977, with a preliminary manufacturing capacity of 4,000 wheels a month. Rota wheels are preferred by Chrysler-Mitsubishi of Philippines as OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) for its vehicles after passing through the rigorous OEM qualifications of its parent company in Japan.

The subsequent years saw other major automobile assemblers such as Ford, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, Opel and Volkswagen engaging the services of this company to produce their OE wheel necessities for their vehicles.

In 1988, PAWI made a research on magnesium-strengthened, heat treatable alloy, and came out with flying colors. This made the Rota wheels lighter yet stronger and long-lasting. PAWI began to upgrade its facilities and introduced state-of-the-art technological improvements in the form of the latest paraphernalia and machines that speed up and improve compound analysis, machining, painting and finishing. With their comeback into the Philippine market Toyota chose Rota wheels as their OE wheels, as well as Daihatsu.

From: https://www.amazines.com/Automotive/...ticleid=408451

And for the record, my first set of wheels were Rota SDR's... No problems, just didn't like how the design created a lip that trapped water.

Wheels I've had. (* indicate still have)
1. Rota SDR's
2. STI BBS takeoffs
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:49 PM   #19
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I have a friend who is a Nissan enthusiast. Both his cars have aftermarket wheels - Enkei (track) & Work and Volk (street). After viewing a few of the "Member Gallery" threads here on NASIOC, he asked me why so many Subaru owners have Rotas. As he likes to say, "Friends don't let friends run Rotas". I told him that I guess it's because they're relatively inexpensive and they offer a variety of fitments for Subarus. Beyond that I couldn't say why they're so popular.
^^ many subaru owners have rota's because we all rally race so we need disposable wheels. no trailer queens here .
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I've heard that, but it sounds like a marketing spiel.
What manufacturers are we talking about?
What kind of numbers are we talking?

Enkei and BBS are oem manufacturers. I know what cars their wheels come on. I'm really curious who uses the Rotas?

It's not a knock, or attack, I'm genuinely curious.
I responded to your post in the Litchfield thread.

"Actually... you do see Rota wheels on mass produced vehicles.. and yes I do have it right. PAWI (the company that makes Rota wheels) has been manufacturing OEM wheels for a long time.

The largest car manufacture in the world, Toyota, currently has Rota making wheels for some of their applications.


Picture we took while visiting Rota a couple months ago, wheel before paint/finishing


Toyota "Rota" Tarmac 2??


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Old 11-26-2008, 01:52 PM   #21
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Good timing Dan.
That's exactly what I was looking for.



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I told him that I guess it's because they're relatively inexpensive and they offer a variety of fitments for Subarus.
That's a huge part of it.
You have guys like Suby Dude who are part of the scene. If the scene wants 18x9 in a 5x100 pattern, he can react quickly bringing that info to Rota. Rota is small enough to be able to make those wheels for our scene, and we eat them up.

Look at the aggressive offset threads, and tell me they weren't responsible for hundreds of sets of wheels sold in the last year. Now try that with Enkei, or Rays.


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Now that's a heck of a link, and speaks volumes more than some marketing line.

Thanks for posting it up.

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Old 11-26-2008, 02:16 PM   #22
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Their cheap because they are made in the Phillipines . They look good and are reliable and have a great price point . Rota is one of the mainstays in the tuner market for good reason . They offer a good product at a discounted price . Not everything needs to be big bucks to be good .
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Their cheap because they are made in the Phillipines . They look good and are reliable and have a great price point . Rota is one of the mainstays in the tuner market for good reason . They offer a good product at a discounted price . Not everything needs to be big bucks to be good .
1. Everything made in the Philippines will be cheaper. (3rd world countries charge pennies for goods/labor)

2. I agree that Rota is the "affordable" tuner wheel.

3. But I will never suggest anyone use a wheel that grenades for track usage.
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The only thing I can say is that, as with most things, you get what you pay for.
This sums it all up.
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This sums it all up.
Ok explain to me Dunk's JIC's coilovers?
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