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Old 11-24-2008, 12:49 PM   #1
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Itís always a little odd that some car makers sell certain models under their own badge in overseas markets, but not in their own. Sure, it isnít unusual, it happens often enough, and there may be more than enough good marketing reasons to justify it.


Nonetheless, itís strange that a hero car like the Honda Civic Type R is available in two distinctly different incarnations - one hot, one very hot - but neither sharing a market with the other.


For that reason, it seems fitting that the three-door version of the Honda Civic Type R will soon be released in the brandís homeland of Japan. Previously available only in Europe and a number of other countries outside of Japan, the Civic Type R hatch is generally perceived to be less of a genuine performance car than its Japan-market sibling.






So ,will the Japanese version of the international Civic Type R hatch gain the power and technical upgrades needed to put it on par with its hot home-market sedan version? While the sedan Type R features a host of superior technology and 165kW in the power stakes, the hatch available in the West carries a less complex setup, and puts out an less compelling 148kW Ė the same as the outgoing model.


Unless Honda HQ is considering offering an entry-level Civic Type R, it makes good sense than the FN2 hatch setup would see an upgrade in 2009 to better meet the expectations of Japanese Type R buyers.





And of course, if that happensÖ will we see the same upgrades here?
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:19 PM   #2
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As a rule, CTR threads piss me off and will continue to do so until Honda brings them to the US. A couple years of the ITR simply wasn't enough.

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Old 11-24-2008, 02:11 PM   #3
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^^^ Seconded. The Civic Si we have here is fun, but grossly underpowered. I say drop the K20 into a Fit Type R, or replace the Si with the Civic Type R. Either way, fun ensues.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:11 PM   #4
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^^^ Seconded. The Civic Si we have here is fun, but grossly underpowered. I say drop the K20 into a Fit Type R, or replace the Si with the Civic Type R. Either way, fun ensues.
Grossly underpowered.... by 20hp? Being that the majority of Si owners are in the demographic that probably have intake or exhaust making 20hp, I dunno about that.

Fit Type R does need to happen though, with about about a 160-180hp K20.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:36 PM   #5
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Fit Type R does need to happen though, with about about a 160-180hp K20.
Agreed... about 160hp sounds just right for a Fit Type R (similar to the B16A2 in the 00-era Si), especially since an FTR's weight would also be trimmed in the process to help offset the extra hundred pounds that a K20 would add over the L15A. That would be one hell of a fun car!

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Old 11-24-2008, 04:55 PM   #6
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Just bring over the Euro type R as is. They are reportedly very nice driving cars, albeit with Honda's spastic no torque all HP engine.

Are there any thoughts of whether Honda might be looking into a light pressure turbo to up power and efficiency in the next type R? Or is that out of the question for the K series engine?
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:18 PM   #7
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Just bring over the Euro type R as is. They are reportedly very nice driving cars, albeit with Honda's spastic no torque all HP engine.

Are there any thoughts of whether Honda might be looking into a light pressure turbo to up power and efficiency in the next type R? Or is that out of the question for the K series engine?
Well, they already have a turbo K-series engine (in the Acura RDX), so the question is whether they'll ever put it in some kind of sport compact/sports car. Knowing Honda, I'd venture to say, "No.", as they are quite content with making high-revving NA engines. There isn't even a whisper right now of ever bringing back the Prelude, which would arguably be the most likely marque to get an engine like that. I'd never say never, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:34 PM   #8
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That's too bad. Because when I heard about the development of the RDX engine I got excited. It just seems like every automaker is looking towards forced induction to increase performance and fuel efficiency. I mean if Honda could just make a smaller turbo engine, like the Mini's 1.6 L, just think about the possibilities.

I know high revving NA engines are an ingrained part of Honda heritage, but with competition, especially in Europe, that brings nice turbo options the main complaint reviewers have with high end honda products are how they can so often make everyday driving seem like work.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:40 PM   #9
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That's too bad. Because when I heard about the development of the RDX engine I got excited. It just seems like every automaker is looking towards forced induction to increase performance and fuel efficiency. I mean if Honda could just make a smaller turbo engine, like the Mini's 1.6 L, just think about the possibilities.

I know high revving NA engines are an ingrained part of Honda heritage, but with competition, especially in Europe, that brings nice turbo options the main complaint reviewers have with high end honda products are how they can so often make everyday driving seem like work.
Now that, I do see as a future possibility: We won't see the K23 turbo in a future Honda sport compact, but we *might* see a small displacement 1.6L-1.8L turbo model. That's the thing about the turbo efficiency argument that most of the nimrod "enthusiasts' around here don't understand; that adding a turbo doesn't make it more efficient, but making it smaller and then adding a turbo does.

On that note, I could see a next-gen Civic Type-R/Si or Fit Type-R/Si getting a turbo model. A longshot, knowing Honda, but definitely possible.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:29 PM   #10
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A fit type R would be the wifey's next ride. I was very smitten w/ the Fit in pedestrian form and the Type R would make it soooo awesome.

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Old 11-24-2008, 07:54 PM   #11
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Now that, I do see as a future possibility: We won't see the K23 turbo in a future Honda sport compact, but we *might* see a small displacement 1.6L-1.8L turbo model. That's the thing about the turbo efficiency argument that most of the nimrod "enthusiasts' around here don't understand; that adding a turbo doesn't make it more efficient, but making it smaller and then adding a turbo does.

On that note, I could see a next-gen Civic Type-R/Si or Fit Type-R/Si getting a turbo model. A longshot, knowing Honda, but definitely possible.

This would be ideal for me. I mean I love the mini and the idea of getting over 30 MPG, but I would really prefer that in a honda. I loved the SI when I drove it, but a turbo would sweeten the deal.

Oh yeah, or a 1.6L turbo in the Fit. Mmmm... Fit type R. Which isn't the Euro civic based on fit underpinnings? (to bring back the relevance to the original thread)

I'm looking forward to something like this, but then again Ford might do it first in the Fiesta with their Ecoboost engines. The one nice thing about this fuel crisis is all the choices.
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It's a visual atrocity.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:24 AM   #13
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Have you seen the new Impreza?
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It looks better than this half-concept looking abortion.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:40 AM   #15
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They don't make ctr's like they used too.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:57 AM   #16
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Grossly underpowered.... by 20hp?
I agree the original was kind of an ignorant statement. 20hp isn't much, but the type R is so much more. More rigid chassis, lighter, smoother power with the heads which are ported by hand, better suspension.

The type R is so much more than just it's hp figure. That's why I'm with ghibli. Until Honda brings over another type R car, they can harble my manhood. Even then, it may be too late.
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:30 AM   #17
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They don't make ctr's like they used too.
especially the EDM CTR, beam axle rear suspension vs mutilink on JDM CTR.
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:42 AM   #18
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I agree the original was kind of an ignorant statement. 20hp isn't much, but the type R is so much more. More rigid chassis, lighter, smoother power with the heads which are ported by hand, better suspension.

The type R is so much more than just it's hp figure. That's why I'm with ghibli. Until Honda brings over another type R car, they can harble my manhood. Even then, it may be too late.
Yeah, but he was saying the Si is "grossly underpowered" which it is not. While I agree the Type R is more, it's also blown out of proportion. It really isn't that much better than our Si, especially not the the EDM one.
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That makes the '08 WRX sedan look like an attractive buy.

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Yeah, but he was saying the Si is "grossly underpowered" which it is not. While I agree the Type R is more, it's also blown out of proportion. It really isn't that much better than our Si, especially not the the EDM one.
Just to be clear, I didn't say this, Balantz did.

Anyway, like others have said, Type Rs are what they are not because of their moderate power gains, but everything else that's built into them.

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Old 04-24-2010, 08:49 AM   #21
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After many Honda enthusiasts were dismayed at the earlier announcement that the Civic Type R sedan (a Japanese Domestic Market-only vehicle) will end this August, the carmaker wanted to maybe lift their spirits up with its plan to launch a limited edition of the Civic Type R Euro (hatchback model) in Japan in autumn. However, fans of this model should be warned that this limited edition model wonít be up to the standards of the original. Honda may have updated its exterior design but the sedan model is actually equipped with a more powerful engine. The sedan had an extra 24hp over the figure posted by the hatchback. Hondaís UK Swindon plant, which made the predecessor of the Civic Type R sedan, will produce the new car. Hondaís Suzuka plant in Japan assembles the current generation sedan
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I guess producing FD2's have become more expensive and/or people are starting to buy less. It's a damn shame Honda decided to downgrade, I don't think the FN2 even has a LSD.

Hey honda, send some leftover FD2s to the US and I'll gladly buy one
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What the heck is happening to Honda lately. They continue to slide down grade with enthusiasts. Eventually all this down grade will show up in their main stream models. It is a shame because I remembered the day when people lined up for Civic, Accord, Prelude. Now they are just also ran.
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civic type r would cost around WRX premium

and between the two cars I would by a WRX
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Type R just don't make financial sense. Any CTR released in North America will like above poster indicated cost between Mazdaspeed3 and a WRX, and leaning heavily over to the WRX under current economic conditions and how Honda likes to price things.
I think people have to understand how really hardcore the JDM CTR is, I think most people driving one would not opt to have it as a daily driver.

I am all for Honda going back to their roots but Type R vehicles have never been viable in a market where people want to look fast than to really go fast.
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