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Old 11-24-2008, 12:54 PM   #1
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On the heels of Toyota launching its Camry-based Venza wagon, spy shots of a Honda wagon have popped up.

You might remember that in the early to mid-1990s, Honda had some success with an Accord wagon in the U.S. market. And with plenty of buyers fleeing the SUV and minivan segments, the time could be right for a new take on the Accord wagon.

The prototype seen here wears some pretty beefy wheels and tires, and it has a beltline that angles sharply upward toward the rear hatch. There's plenty of air under the wagon, too.

We see some similarities to the Accord Tourer wagon that Honda sells in Europe, although this prototype looks to have been given some sportier styling.

No word yet on when the maximum Accord will be launched, but this prototype looks quite finished. So we wouldn't be surprised to see it show up at the Detroit auto show in January.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:59 PM   #2
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hate to say it, but this thing looks better than the sedan, IMO.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:05 PM   #3
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This thing and Venza could spell trouble for Outback.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:08 PM   #4
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It's the Honda Magnum!
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:10 PM   #5
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BMW released an updated version of the 1-series compact late last year and since then a suspicious prototype of the hatch has been captured running around German streets. At first appearance the car looks like an ordinary 1-series hatchback but look closer and you’ll notice several key features that reveal it is very different. Now new information about the next-generation car has just been revealed by Klaus Draeger, BMW's product development guru, indicating that a 'shooting brake' two-door wagon/hatch variant may be in the works.

Noting that it's very tough to find a way to expand the 1-series lineup without impinging either on Mini's sales at the lower end or on the 3-series sales above, Draeger says he only sees one new body type as having a serious chance at production, according to a report in AutoBild. The two-door wagon shooting brake design is what BMW calls a 'lifestyle' vehicle, meaning it adds a dash of practicality to what would otherwise be a small coupe. But Draeger's also quick to point out that nothing has been decided, and a new model will only be added if it can be determined to draw in new customers.

No M model is planned for the next-gen 1-series either, despite strong enthusiast interest. Again balancing the 1-series' position within the lineup and the potential to draw in adequate new customers is the basis for the decision on the M-car. A few additions that will improve performance of the next-gen car are planned, however, including the expansion of direct injection throughout the engine lineup, plus the inclusion of the dual-clutch gearbox as well, beginning with the more powerful models and slowly working throughout the range.

The car pictured here is in fact an early test-mule for the next-generation 1-series hatch most likely due in late 2011 or early 2012. Makeshift fender flares reveal the new model will sport a widened track both front and rear, confirming the next 1-series will be bigger than the current model. The larger footprint will also improve the car’s dynamics and road-holding abilities.

Earlier this year BMW CEO Norbert Reithofer revealed that the four-cylinder engines used in the next-gen 1-series will be the same compact units developed jointly by BMW and France’s PSA Peugeot-Citroen for the Mini and a number of French models. The engines will range from 1.4 to 2.0L in displacement and will be available in both turbocharged and naturally aspirated forms. Expect to see BMW’s award-winning straight six engines also appear in the line-up. Engines could be downsized somewhat to meet more stringent emissions and fuel economy rules, but with the aid of the direct injection and forced induction, power figures may not decrease substantially, and could even increase in models like the 135i.

The current 1-series has often been criticized for having a back seat no full-sized adult would be comfortable in, however the rear seat room in this new model is expected to be much improved. This will also allow BMW to finally release a hatchback version of the 1-series in the all-important US market. This 1-series should also help boost BMW's sales in emerging markets due to its low entry price.

Expect to see stop-start and electrical-regenerative systems carry over into the new series as well as possible new EfficientDynamics technologies such as heat-recovery systems and solar panels. BMW has also revealed that initial testing of thermoelectric generators and solar panels on its cars showed savings of up to 5% in fuel consumption.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:12 PM   #6
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It's the Honda Magnum!
My thoughts exactly
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:12 PM   #7
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:13 PM   #8
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I'm a fan of the 91-93 era Accord wagon, but upon first glance, not sure I'm liking this version. Cool that they're bringing it back, though.

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Old 11-24-2008, 01:14 PM   #9
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wow. that BMW deserves its own thread.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:18 PM   #10
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wow. that BMW deserves its own thread.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:23 PM   #11
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Michigan’s first snow has also brought the first look at this development vehicle for an all-new Honda crossover vehicle! An Accord-based crossover vehicle has been rumored for quite a while now and these pics are the first proof the project has finally been green-lighted.

At first glance, this vehicle may look like nothing more than the European Honda Accord Tourer. Closer inspection reveals that is not the case. For starters, the U.S. market Honda Accord front end has been grafted onto the body. While most of the body on this mule is non-production, this front end may actually be close to the final design of the nose we see on the production CUV.



We can also see fender flares that have been tacked onto the body and covered with tape that matches the color of the paint. These flares indicate that the wheel track has been widened slightly. Looking directly behind the rear doors, it quickly becomes apparent that a few extra inches of sheet metal and glass have been added to the body, suggesting the final product will be a few inches longer than the current European Accord Tourer. This development vehicle is also riding higher than a standard Accord Tourer and actually resembles and Audi Allroad in person.



Based on the Honda Accord chassis, this all-new crossover vehicle will start production in the fourth quarter of 2009 at the Marysville or East Liberty factory. We’ve been told to expect a concept vehicle that foreshadows this new Accord CUV at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show. The Accord CUV will slot in-between CR-V and Pilot and will look to do battle with Toyota’s new Venza CUV.



Powertrains are not yet known, but the motors currently found in the USDM Accord seem like a safe bet. We observed this mule testing alongside an Acura RDX. We also noted this mule accelerated rather briskly, so the 2.3L, four-cylinder turbo motor from the RDX may have a chance of making it into the Accord CUV.



One thing we can say for sure about this vehicle is that AWD will be an option. A close look at photo five reveals that this prototype has a rear differential. More than likely, this means the car has Honda’s VTM-4 AWD system.



“Latitude” is one name rumored for the badge on the back of this new CUV. Though that now seems less likely as Honda allowed that trademark to expire many months ago.
Look for more details to surface as we near the 2009 NAIAS.

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Old 11-24-2008, 01:24 PM   #12
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WOW AWD Finally Honda does something right!!
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:33 PM   #13
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if its anything like their other awd systems, its almost as good as not having awd.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:46 PM   #14
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I said this a while ago - now that the SUV crazy is FINALLY over, we are going to be seeing a lot more wagons. Families still need lots of room - they just don't want some massive vehicle.
Chevy should really thinking about bringing out a "MAXX" version of the new Malibu like they did of the old model. Detroit in general can't afford to miss out on this next (possibly) hot niche.


Oh yea, and I saw a Toyota Venza and I was quite impressed by it. MUCH shorter in length than one would think it is, but still tons of room inside. I predict another hit for Toyota, and since it is based on the Camry, it cost probably next to nothing to design and engineer.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:52 PM   #15
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Seriously? Honda has been doing things right for a long time.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:28 PM   #16
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:40 PM   #17
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Accord Outback...
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:52 PM   #18
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Honda's had an Accord wagon in Europe for years; looks great.
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:34 PM   #19
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I thought I was seeing the next-gen Magnum before I read the article.

No worries, the Big 3 will come up with something to counter ...
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:34 PM   #20
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hmm.....it looks.......awkward......

the sloping roofline and the up-swept windowline.....

Not liking it.

I wonder how much "utility" is potentially lost with that magnum roof.....
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:19 PM   #21
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I said this a while ago - now that the SUV crazy is FINALLY over, we are going to be seeing a lot more wagons.
Yet Subaru killed Legacy wagon shortly after they introduced Tribeca... they trail the market by few years consistently.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:36 PM   #22
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I think I see a rear diff in there. AWD indeed.

They might as well throw in a diesel engine while they're at it
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:58 PM   #23
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I think I found my ideal family car. Throw in a diesel and it'd be a shoe-in.
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Yeah, I guess selling twice as many Accords/year than Subaru sells *total* cars along with innovating hybrid technology is really screwing the pooch, huh?
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