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Old 11-25-2008, 11:49 AM   #1
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I am shopping for a new set of tires for the STi (245/40 x17)....I use it as a DD and do not track it. I currently have Falken 451 and was looking for something similar with respect to performance (low noise, good wet and dry traction, etc..). What do you recommend?

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Old 11-25-2008, 12:13 PM   #2
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before i got my new tires (dunlop direzza star spec), i didn't know why everyone was going crazy over this tire- these may be the best tires i've run in the past 10 years of driving

now i know; these things are awesome...even cold they grip like crazy, they are quiet, ride quality is good, much improved turn-in over my last set of tires (azenis st-115) and predictable when pushing it- oh and they are great in the florida rain

out of those three choices though- i'd go with the R-S2
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:41 PM   #3
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the hankooks wont last long

the htrzIII may be the best bet out of those

I REALLY liked the Federal 595RS but they dont make the 245/40 and they run WAY-WAY wide
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:26 PM   #4
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The SPTs are nice tires. My bro runs these on his FXT. I run RE01Rs. I've auto-xed his car both in the dry and rain as well as my car. The SPTs, I though would tear apart from the abuse, but they actually hold up quite well. Also in the wet, they love it, and remain "grabby" and with good traction and are very comfortable when pushed hard. They are quiet as a mouse and ride comfy. The only minor gripe is sidewall stiffness, but you don't seem too focused on that with your tire choices. The SPTs are also incredibly cheap to buy.
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:48 PM   #5
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I just switched to the SPT's. I love 'em. They hold very nicely in wet weather.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:07 AM   #6
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How would either of those tires handle HPDE events in 205/55-16 size? My FK-452s got all chewed up. Thanks
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:48 PM   #7
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How would either of those tires handle HPDE events in 205/55-16 size? My FK-452s got all chewed up. Thanks
that wasnt the tires fault

that was YOUR fault for driving too fast and not having the right alignment for driving fast

you dont want ANY of those tires for tracking the car

and any tire will chunk if you over drive it and overheat it with the wrong alignment

star specs or re-01r or those 595rs Federals---which are CHEAP

but you will likely over drive any tire and not want to go far enough with the alignment in any event
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:59 PM   #8
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that wasnt the tires fault

that was YOUR fault for driving too fast and not having the right alignment for driving fast

you dont want ANY of those tires for tracking the car

and any tire will chunk if you over drive it and overheat it with the wrong alignment

star specs or re-01r or those 595rs Federals---which are CHEAP

but you will likely over drive any tire and not want to go far enough with the alignment in any event
I know that you're the guru and all, but in my tire thread about the chunking, there were quite a few posts that said that they were the wrong tires for the track (in addition to the driver error). i don't think that i have professed to be an experienced authority about track driving and tires.

How was my alignment wrong? Do you want to guess what specs i had, or should I tell you?

I must have had bad instructors also because they didn't tell me I was over driving. I was one of the slower cars.

But, hey, thanks for taking time to respond.
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Old 11-26-2008, 04:21 PM   #9
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But, hey, thanks for taking time to respond.
and thanks for not taking what i have said into consideration

if you badly chunk tires......it is not the tires fault
youi had the wrong tires for how fast you thought you should be running, in any event

you should have seen this after the first session and avoided it getting any worse

also, a street alignment is not a good track alignment...and -1.5 camber isnt a track alignment number

and if you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt have tracked your car on such small tires and......

and on and on and on

what part of any this do you not understand???
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:05 PM   #10
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:54 PM   #11
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Sheesh, Scotty!

You been watching your 401k too much!
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:58 PM   #12
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Sheesh, Scotty!

You been watching your 401k too much!
dont have one

just clarity of thought
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:03 PM   #13
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:29 PM   #14
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Goodyear f1-gs-d3
that is a 'has been' tire

sorry but OLD technology...squishy sidewalls...WAAY too expensive

great wet weather tire...NOT a track tire
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:04 PM   #15
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and thanks for not taking what i have said into consideration

if you badly chunk tires......it is not the tires fault
youi had the wrong tires for how fast you thought you should be running, in any event

you should have seen this after the first session and avoided it getting any worse

also, a street alignment is not a good track alignment...and -1.5 camber isnt a track alignment number

and if you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt have tracked your car on such small tires and......

and on and on and on

what part of any this do you not understand???
I understood everything you wrote.

After the first event, the front right was already gone enough I knew I had to replace the set, so I just rotated and had fun.

For a novice's first HPDE, it would have been silly for me to buy track wheels and tires up-front. The majority of the cars have street tires. Now that I know I like the events, I may very well get a set of track wheels and tires if I can find them reasonably priced. For now, I'm leaning towards the star specs if I can find them.
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:25 PM   #16
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I understood everything you wrote.

After the first event, the front right was already gone enough I knew I had to replace the set, so I just rotated and had fun.

For a novice's first HPDE, it would have been silly for me to buy track wheels and tires up-front. The majority of the cars have street tires. Now that I know I like the events, I may very well get a set of track wheels and tires if I can find them reasonably priced. For now, I'm leaning towards the star specs if I can find them.
and you will kill those as well....if you dont either slow down or align the car appropriatly for the event

this all to common misconception about taking a street car to the track and having nothing untoward happen must be recognised for the fantasy that it is.

dont forget brake pads and fluid.....stock pads and fluid is a bad idea as well


so in conclusion......dont track too small a tire with the wrong alignment driven too fast or you WILL kill the tires, and maybe yourself as well
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:38 AM   #17
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so in conclusion......dont track too small a tire with the wrong alignment driven too fast or you WILL kill the tires, and maybe yourself as well
Uncle, before I make another grave mistake, could you help me with my next tire purchase.

So, are you saying that 16" is too small or 205 is too small?

My car is a DD, how soon before I have my next HPDE, should I get the tires for break-in?

Should I have them shaved?

Are there any good non-directional tires that could work for my situation?
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Uncle, before I make another grave mistake, could you help me with my next tire purchase.

So, are you saying that 16" is too small or 205 is too small?

My car is a DD, how soon before I have my next HPDE, should I get the tires for break-in?

Should I have them shaved?

Are there any good non-directional tires that could work for my situation?
a 205/55 on a 16x6.5 wheel is too small for your car and its weight to sucessfully be driven on a track...using any street tire....unless you go slow----too slow for what you seem to want....especially on a near stock or near stock suspension

Id give up on the track unless and until you figure out just what you want to do.....and either slow down or get some 17x8 and some 235/40 or 245/40 tires and some suspension mods

the wrx is NOT any sort of track car in stock form and the tire size and weak brakes are proof of this

do not delude yourself into thinking otherwise....or drive within the capabilities of the vehicle and its systems....which is slow on a track, or you will kill it
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:24 PM   #19
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I am shopping for a new set of tires for the STi (245/40 x17)....I use it as a DD and do not track it. I currently have Falken 451 and was looking for something similar with respect to performance (low noise, good wet and dry traction, etc..). What do you recommend?

Kumho Ecsta SPT
Hankook Ventus R-S2
Sumitomo HTR ZIII
IF you're looking for something similar, why not look at the newer Falken FK-452?
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:12 PM   #20
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Since I am getting a substancial discount on the tires listed, unfortunately, the fk-452 are not on the list for discount.....
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Since I am getting a substancial discount on the tires listed, unfortunately, the fk-452 are not on the list for discount.....
of tires on your list....the hrtzIII is what id run, then.....no doubt
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Old 12-23-2008, 10:29 AM   #22
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Id give up on the track unless and until you figure out just what you want to do.....and either slow down or get some 17x8 and some 235/40 or 245/40 tires and some suspension mods
So, a 17x7.5 wheel with a 225/45-17 tire would not cut it either? I'm concerned about fitting a wider tire in the rear of the wagon. Will the 235/40-17 fit in the rear of a wagon without rolling?

The only suspension mods that I currently have are the RCE wagon springs and Koni inserts. I'm looking at using camber bolts for extra negative camber.

Thanks
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:08 AM   #23
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you never need bigger tires (diameter wise). that has nothing to do with it. If that was the case, then those little miatas with 13" slicks on them wouldn't be walking all over track prepped evo's n sti's.

However, wider rubber will usually help any kind of street or track performance. Perhaps upgrade to a 16x8 wheel with 245wide 40or45-series tires. That would stick it well. I know there area few companies that also produced a 225/40/16 for a while as well (i've still got a set of brand new 712's in my rack in that size).

Here's the problem i see. You first said you were only interested in street performance, and don't track, which is fine, but then you asked about HDPE (which is fine). However it seems to change everyone's mindset to "what do you need to be a hard core racer and turn top track times....". It doesn't sound to me like thats what you want at all. I'm guessing you're just toying with the idea of taking it to the track for one fun weekend to learn how to drive better. if thats the case, you don't have to invest in super sticky, ultra-wide track rubber and mondo upgrades. Chances are, if its your first time out, in a relatively stock car, you're not gonna be out running 150mph dashes with prepped corvettes n cobras. You'll be out with the novices, getting driver instruction, and learning the limits of your car.

While investing in some minor brake upgrades (always your first concern in performance: stopping) when it comes time to take a track day, again, there's no need to go overboard when you're going to be running around with a bunch of stock civics slammed on ebay coilovers. I think you'll be fine on your choice of street tires. Last time i had my STi out i had fitment issues with my race rubber, and ended up running the 2nd and 3rd sessions of the day on the tires i drove down on, which were 235/40 Kumho 711's. They did fine given the relative loss of traction, but never had any issues coping with the STi's performance. I'm sure i drove them to their limits...

(BTW, given your selection, i would recommend the SPT's. I have always loved Kumho. Great prices, great performance, whether it be street tires, or race rubber. Never had a bad tire from them.)
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you never need bigger tires (diameter wise). that has nothing to do with it. If that was the case, then those little miatas with 13" slicks on them wouldn't be walking all over track prepped evo's n sti's.


w0w.....
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w0w.....
Hmm. yup. really. My STi and quite a few out there got passed easily by Flyin' Miata's turbo track car last time i had the STi on the track. And their Miata powered Seven-clone is even quicker. You only need big fat rubber, if you have a big fat car, that needs big fat wheels to clear big fat brakes to stop all that mass in a respectable distance.

I'd rather track that above-mentioned Seven anyday than my big fat 3000lb+ STi. Thank goodness its good in the winter, or i'd have sold it by now. In fact i'm sure its more fun in winter than in summer.

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