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Old 12-02-2008, 01:41 PM   #1
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I’m a bit gunu-shy after mistakenly accusing NBC of pulling the SNL sketch pillorying the Big 2.8’s Congressional bailout begging from YouTube for ad revenue-related reasons. So I’m not going to raise the specter of conspiracy for a 404 message on The Australian newspaper. I’m sure the story on the Pontiac G8 disappeared due to technical reasons. Or something.

Thankfully, one of our B&B cut and pasted the piece into an email. “Holden Exports Facing Stop Sign” contemplates the prospect of GM axing Pontiac as part of its pursuit of bailout billions. “The Holden-built Pontiac G8 is part of the problem, as it is struggling to find buyers. Just 13,000 have been bought since shipments began at the beginning of the year, and inventory levels exceed 11,000 cars — or 283 days’ supply — the third-worst for any GM model, according to specialist US website Automotive News.

Potential Pontiac G8 buyers must now factor in an uncertain future for the brand. ‘It’s a challenging business environment for carmakers around the world,’ said a spokesman for GM Holden, Jonathan Rose. ‘We’re very proud of our export program.’ He denied Holden was adding to Pontiac’s woes, and said export shipments were continuing…

The company expected US demand for Pontiac G8s to boost exports, but recently announced plans to shut its factory for 25 days in the first quarter next year, in addition to its four-week Christmas holiday closure.”
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:44 PM   #2
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right car, wrong time , plus GM hasn't supported this car at all.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:47 PM   #3
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Awesome car.


If it was a BMW, Lexus, Honda, etc it would be selling.

Bringing that car to a market when people are afraid that you wont be around to warranty/offer parts for it isnt reassuring.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:48 PM   #4
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right car, wrong time , plus GM hasn't supported this car at all.
agreed...
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:56 PM   #5
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Awesome car.


If it was a BMW, Lexus, Honda, etc it would be selling.

Bringing that car to a market when people are afraid that you wont be around to warranty/offer parts for it isnt reassuring.
I know what you're saying but GM will still be responsible of warrantying (is that a word?) their cars even if Pontiac folds. Sad, this car has alot of potential but the temptation is still there
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:58 PM   #6
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I don't want to see GM >
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:00 PM   #7
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Sell Holden branded in the states.

Australian made sounds alot better than US made.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:02 PM   #8
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Sell Holden branded in the states.

Australian made sounds alot better than US made.
The last thing GM needs is another brand in the states!
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:05 PM   #9
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Shoulda kept it looking like it does in OZ - would have sold out.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:28 PM   #10
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Despite the hype and the magazine articles, not many people want to support a big V8. Those that do buy a Vette or Cadillac, or if they're over 60 a Buick.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:29 PM   #11
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Every new V8 monster that is now coming out is part of the "Right place, in the wrong time" category.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:34 PM   #12
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When Hyundai introduced their new large RWD Genesis sedan, they had entire SuperBowl commercials dedicated to it.

What did Pontiac do?
They had a few cool spots here and there, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that more regular folk know about the Genesis than the G8. I also think that they should have kept the more aggressive Holden sheetmetal. And then right when this car should have helped cement Pontiac's commitment to being a performance division, GM decides to bring out the G4 (rebadged Cobalt) and G3 (rebadged Aveo). Yeah, the timing sucked bigtime, but GM also sending out horribly wrong signals in terms of the divisions direction doesn't help either.



Also concerning this story, one thing to keep in mind about G8s being exported from Australia is that GM always planned on stopping G8 production there and shifting it to Canada alongside the Camaro. How do we not know that this story is just a misunderstanding in terms of when the switch happens? Just a thought.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:43 PM   #13
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Despite the hype and the magazine articles, not many people want to support a big V8. Those that do buy a Vette or Cadillac, or if they're over 60 a Buick.
but those who want to buy a vette or caddy cts-v but cannot afford either... will buy the g8
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Old 12-02-2008, 03:14 PM   #14
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I would'a bought the wagon version in Australian sheet metal. that thing was pure sexo.
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Old 12-02-2008, 03:19 PM   #15
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Hmm, GXP with heavy discounts the middle of next year? Might have to keep my eye on that. If the G8 GT isn't selling worth a damn, I doubt the G8 GXP will.
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Old 12-02-2008, 03:20 PM   #16
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For me,I am afraid to buy a V8 for a DD if gas shoots back to 5 bucks.

The goverment said they would honor the big3 warranties if they fail.I bet that would alot of fun.
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Old 12-02-2008, 03:34 PM   #17
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but those who want to buy a vette or caddy cts-v but cannot afford either... will buy the g8
the problem is that the fanbois who love the concept of a rwd, V8 pontiac on this board aren't buying squat as they're 25 yrs old and half broke. and -- guess what? -- the american populace at large doesn't care if their car is rwd or not, and whether it's rated at 360 hp or 260 hp.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:03 PM   #18
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I don't know about you but the single thing I hate about the entire bailout discussion is that every idiot from congress beats to deth the notion of "car makers need to be retooled for more efficient vehicles" as if this is the only problem US automakers face nowadays.
Don't everyone see that this is only part of the problem?? The cars that are worth buying sure are guzzlers (G8, vette, CTS, etc.) Rest of the problem is that those that have OK mpg or really good mpg (aveo, cobalt etc.) are pure crap in terms of being a car, mpg aside. They're horribly ugly, unreliable or poorly built with outdated styling and technology.
You don't see BMW's whining about their dropped sales of X5, or VW or Lexus or Acura or others that aren't really mpg leaders
That's because they actually have decent cars that people want to buy even if the mpg is not the best.
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:29 PM   #19
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It's sad because the G8 is one of the best things GM has going, but it is the wrong time for this car. They need to get the direct inject V6 in there right now. Or put a manual with the V8 option. Not doing these things is further restricting a car that GM already isn't supporting. This car has nothing extremely going for it other than it's bang for the buck, and that seems to be offset by the fact it is sold by GM.
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:22 PM   #20
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the problem is that the fanbois who love the concept of a rwd, V8 pontiac on this board aren't buying squat as they're 25 yrs old and half broke. and -- guess what? -- the american populace at large doesn't care if their car is rwd or not, and whether it's rated at 360 hp or 260 hp.

Indeed. How many people here swear the G8 is going to be their next car versus how many actually own one? I can think of maybe two people on NASIOC that have one.

But hell, I'll pick one up when they cancel it and there's a dozen of them sitting on every dealer's lot and they're giving them away. Just like what happened with the GTOs. Especially when gas rebounds.

Every big hp car out there isn't doing well. The Mustang is down in sales, the Charger is doing ok, the Magnum is cancelled, the G8 is blowing goats - how much you want to bet that after the initial frenzy is over with, the Camaro will suffer the same fate?
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:24 PM   #21
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Cant wait to pickup 2010 GXP for around $35k after $6k GM cashback with 0 apr for 6 years.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:00 AM   #22
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goin the way of the gto, which was a nice grand tourer.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:08 AM   #23
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Every big hp car out there isn't doing well. The Mustang is down in sales, the Charger is doing ok, the Magnum is cancelled, the G8 is blowing goats - how much you want to bet that after the initial frenzy is over with, the Camaro will suffer the same fate?
I think the Camaro may have a better shot. The magazines have already been touting its V6 efficiency and power. It might have the right combination to make it work. When it comes out I think it will be the most efficient pony car. It has also been off the market long enough that the initial surge may right out for a year or more.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:13 AM   #24
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Almost all US auto manufacturers are struggling with something much worse than they think. The majority of people in the US do not see US cars as being reliable. If Americans want reliability they buy a Honda or Toyota. If they want cheap they buy a Hyundai. If they want a SUV they buy American. Nobody really wants a SUV at this time. What are they left with? The big 3 have dug their own holes. If we want to save the US auto industry we need to shut down all foreign automotive sales in the US because that is the only way they will ever catch up. It's strange how some imports have become domestics and some domestics have become imports.
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the problem is that the fanbois who love the concept of a rwd, V8 pontiac on this board aren't buying squat as they're 25 yrs old and half broke. and -- guess what? -- the american populace at large doesn't care if their car is rwd or not, and whether it's rated at 360 hp or 260 hp.
almost the same goes for sti fanbois but it still sold okay...

my point is, broke ppl still buy cars because thats the american way ... how many sti owners here are upside down on their loans even though they prob got their rides used?
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