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Old 12-04-2008, 06:11 PM   #26
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What do you use Uncle Scotty?
rotella t 5w40

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Old 12-05-2008, 02:09 AM   #27
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Rotella... Is this the same as amsoil? If so where do you get the best deal at.
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Old 12-05-2008, 04:57 AM   #28
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^^^^^^^ Nope.

Rotella is made by Shell. Great stuff.

Cheapest I've found it is at Wal-Mart.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:55 PM   #29
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Oic. Why do you guys feel that this is a better product than others. Not trying to antagonize just curious.
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:42 AM   #30
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Oic. Why do you guys feel that this is a better product than others. Not trying to antagonize just curious.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

read that for a couple years and get back to us if your curiosity isnt sated
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Old 12-06-2008, 05:25 PM   #31
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you like WAY-WAY too many here just do NOT read

'MOBIL 1' IS ABOUT 40 DIFERENT OILS AND THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND SOME ARE GARBAGE SOME ARE NOT AND MOST IDIOTS THINK THEY HAVE TO USE THE GARBAGE 5W30 WHICH IS 100% FALSE
are you kidding me? i know that it is a mixture of oils I never said it wasnt. if you wanna go back and actually read what I wrote, especially what you quoted, you will see that based on lab results from using that oil, my engine is still running amazing. never said it was the best, never said it sucked, said it worked for me and i burn no oil.

thanks for the insult and info tho, you always are just soooo usefull. i like how someone has to ask you what oil you run because you are to busy being uber smart on the interwebz to actually give helpfull info.
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Old 12-06-2008, 05:31 PM   #32
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you FAILED to be specific and it isnt any sort of 'mixture'

failure is high with this kind of thing

dont get buthurt about it
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:02 PM   #33
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Subaru Stars Mobile 1 has been specified in Porsches

for ages. Exxon/Mobile are an evil bunch of asses though, so on principle I'd go with a different oil company.

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i just changed over to mobil one sythetic my car is an 05 wrx with 40xxx miles on it. is it bad to run sythetic. many people have told me not to run it.. are they just retards or am i an idiot
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:25 PM   #34
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I still love these M1 posts and hope they never stop.
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Old 12-09-2008, 02:12 PM   #35
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I still love these M1 posts and hope they never stop.
Watching Uncle Scotty rip apart unsuspecting M1 users...priceless.
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Old 12-09-2008, 04:12 PM   #36
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I still love these M1 posts and hope they never stop.
I've been using 5w30 synthetics (mostly [garbage ] M1, some variants like the 15,000 mile M1, sometimes Castrol or Valvoline synthetic 5w30) on my reflashed '02 WRX since break-in. Car's got over 128,000 miles on it and does not eat oil (less than a full quart) between 7,500 mile changes.

I also have oil temp and pressure gauges and never push the car when it's not completely warmed up. I know some of you monkeys without pressure gauges are too trusting of the stock coolant gauge as an indicator that the car is warmed up. IT IS NOT. Car takes ~7-10 minutes (10 to be on the safe side) of driving for the oil pressure gauge to show normal warmed-up oil readings.

I guess I'll be changing the STI's oil at the new rec'ed intervals.
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:08 AM   #37
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well i saw someone ripping Royal Purple a new butt in another thread. i heard non stop that its some of the best oil. now people are trashing it saying it is the worst. well which one is it? i blew my original motor while on Mobile 1. i have since switched to Royal Purple in my new built and upgraded motor and have not had any problems at all. no burnoff either.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:57 PM   #38
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Just so everyone knows here is how an M1 thread goes:

1. Hey I am using M1 what is the best oil.
2. Five people come on and say M1 will blow your motor, so use X oil.
3. 3 people say only 5W30 is bad, others are fine
4. 2 people come on and say 10W30 will shear to a 20 Wt as well.
5. Uncle Scotty will rip them, maybe more than once.
6. Bluesubie will tell them to visit BITOG and show them a UOA as evidence.
7. 10 more people come on and say use X oil.
8. 5 people tell OP to get UOA
9. 3 people say that they have used M1 5w30 for X00000 miles with no issues.
10. 3 more come and say their engine blew on M1 5w30.
11. Arguments over mods, racing vs DD start, different driving conditions temps, weather, etc.
12. OP is completely confused and has no idea what oil to use.
13. Sarcastic people like me come on thread and make fun.
14. We all wait for the next M1 thread.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:58 PM   #39
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well i saw someone ripping Royal Purple a new butt in another thread. i heard non stop that its some of the best oil. now people are trashing it saying it is the worst. well which one is it? i blew my original motor while on Mobile 1. i have since switched to Royal Purple in my new built and upgraded motor and have not had any problems at all. no burnoff either.
I went from Mobile1 to Royal Purple as well and have had no problems. A high performance car shop I deal with swore by Royal Purple..especially for turbo charged or race cars. The mechanic said he's torn apart motors that have run on the purple and stated you could'nt tell a "new" motor from one thats been used on the track all season. It protects from wear extremely well. This was good enough for me!.....PS: I never had a problem with Mobile1 and used it in my Subie for around 20k miles, I just wanted the best protection for my "trucklet"!
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:35 PM   #40
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well i saw someone ripping Royal Purple a new butt in another thread. i heard non stop that its some of the best oil. now people are trashing it saying it is the worst. well which one is it? i blew my original motor while on Mobile 1. i have since switched to Royal Purple in my new built and upgraded motor and have not had any problems at all. no burnoff either.
I always bash RP because it sheared to a 20 weight in two of the three RP xW-30 uoa's that have been posted here. In one case it was in 3,500 miles (I think) and in another it was in 1,100 miles. In the one good RP uoa thread posted here, I jokingly asked the OP if he added oil the day before the uoa because it was perfect. He never answered my question.

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Just so everyone knows here is how an M1 thread goes:

1. Hey I am using M1 what is the best oil.
2. Five people come on and say M1 will blow your motor, so use X oil.
3. 3 people say only 5W30 is bad, others are fine
4. 2 people come on and say 10W30 will shear to a 20 Wt as well.
5. Uncle Scotty will rip them, maybe more than once.
6. Bluesubie will tell them to visit BITOG and show them a UOA as evidence.
7. 10 more people come on and say use X oil.
8. 5 people tell OP to get UOA
9. 3 people say that they have used M1 5w30 for X00000 miles with no issues.
10. 3 more come and say their engine blew on M1 5w30.
11. Arguments over mods, racing vs DD start, different driving conditions temps, weather, etc.
12. OP is completely confused and has no idea what oil to use.
13. Sarcastic people like me come on thread and make fun.
14. We all wait for the next M1 thread.


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Old 12-10-2008, 01:35 PM   #41
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there have been posts by people that are LONG TIME subaru dealer service departement employees

what they say is....of engines being replaced.....the VAST majority have 5w30 M1 in them.......most of the rest have 5w30 RP in them

YOU think about that after YOU read all the 'spun bearing' threads and what oils are being used and if YOU cant see any correlation

It is quite OBVIOUS to me.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:46 PM   #42
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It all depends on personal usage IMHO.

Theres no way to know whats going on in your engines crankcase without a UOA and thats only a miniscule view into whats going on.

5w30 might work for people in colder climates, it might work for people in warmer climates if they dont drive the piss out of there vehicle. Just because Bob down the street is using 5w30 in his old ford pickup during 110 degree summers doesnt mean you should use it in your turbo charged WRX or STi, especially if you drive the piss out of it.

Stay with a reputable brand both oil and filter, change them at a regular interval be it 3k for those who do overkill or later with a UOA to help you decide whats best for you.

Run a good clean air filter to keep particle count down and help with overall filtration.

I personally run Redline 5w30, its also 30 degrees outside ATM in Northern maryland\Southern PA.

What works for me, or Uncle Scotty, or anyone else might not be whats best for you.

Read your owners manual there is a lovely section on engine oil selection your oil cap is not the be-all-know-all of engine oil selection.

Best advice I can give.
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:23 AM   #43
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there have been posts by people that are LONG TIME subaru dealer service departement employees

what they say is....of engines being replaced.....the VAST majority have 5w30 M1 in them.......most of the rest have 5w30 RP in them

YOU think about that after YOU read all the 'spun bearing' threads and what oils are being used and if YOU cant see any correlation

It is quite OBVIOUS to me.

Yes, it is obvious... Especially when Subaru dealerships offer either a conventional oil change or a Full Synthetic. What brand of synthetic oil do they use? Why, its Mobil !!!
When they have engines being replaced is easy to say it was because of Mobil 1....they don't have a lot of choice! I call that "stacking the deck"!
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Yes, it is obvious... Especially when Subaru dealerships offer either a conventional oil change or a Full Synthetic. What brand of synthetic oil do they use? Why, its Mobil !!!
When they have engines being replaced is easy to say it was because of Mobil 1....they don't have a lot of choice! I call that "stacking the deck"!

For what its worth Mobil makes "decent" quality products IMHO, however you wouldn't find them in anything that I care significantly about.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:19 PM   #45
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Yes, it is obvious... Especially when Subaru dealerships offer either a conventional oil change or a Full Synthetic. What brand of synthetic oil do they use? Why, its Mobil !!!
When they have engines being replaced is easy to say it was because of Mobil 1....they don't have a lot of choice! I call that "stacking the deck"!
you are going to the wrong dealer

my local dealer will recommend Motul and does not sell Mobil oil products.

Motor oil is one of the things that too many people get mezmerized by the marketing hype and make their(wrong ) choice and OPINION based thereupon.
Mobil 1 and Royal Purple spend lots on marketing hype......Mobil 1, marketing to the general public and RP to the kiddies
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The dealership I go to uses conventional oil or Mobil 1. If the customer wants something else, they have to bring it in themselves. I have a couple of family members that work at the dealership(West-Herr Subaru) and the one is a mechanic. He prefers the Mobil 1 Extended Performance ,which I use as well,and changes it around 4,000 mi. An oil change is cheaper than a motor...even if its around $7 a quart.
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Old 12-11-2008, 07:27 PM   #47
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in a word, yes:

as reported in the July 24, 2008 issue of Jobbers World Online News, Valvoline launched a national advertising campaign that takes on competitor Mobil 1. The centerpiece of the campaign claim Valvoline SynPower has "four times better wear protection than Mobil 1."

According to Valvoline, the claim is based on the industry standard Sequence IVA test. The Sequence IVA is the industry standard test for determining wear performance of an engine oil and is required to meet the API SL and SM requirements. Multiple tests showed that Valvoline SynPower provided four times better wear protection than Mobil 1, as measured in these tests of 5W-30 grades.

ExxonMobil responded to the claim by saying it was "not aware of any accurate technical data to support the claim" and they requested Valvoline provide the "substantiating data to support this claim immediately."

Rather than backing down, Valvoline is holding its ground, and turns up the heat.

Marketers say the received a letter from Valvoline providing additional information and data to support Valvoline SynPower's significant performance advantage versus Mobil 1. In addition, marketers say the letter turns the table on ExxonMobil's challenge and Valvoline is now challenging ExxonMobil's claim for its Mobil 1 5W-30.

According to the letter, Valvoline says the company conducted a number of tests and commissioned an independent laboratory to evaluate the performance of SynPower and Mobil 1 in the Sequence IVA wear test. Marketers were told the tests were run on a 5W-30 since it's the top selling grade.

Now for the interesting part...

According to a letter Valvoline marketers received, the result from Valvoline's testing indicate:

* Valvoline SynPower's 5W-30 wear performance is at least four times better than Mobil 1 5W-30
* Mobil 1 5W-30 does not meet minimum API SM or ILSAC GF-4 specification because of its inferior performance in the Sequence IVA wear test

The letter reportedly goes on to say that Valvoline notified ExxonMobil of the failed test results in September and that the company take appropriate action regarding their claim that Mobil 1 meets ILSAC GF-4 and API SM specifications, or provide substantiation that they in fact meet these specifications.

As of today, Valvoline told JobbersWorld, ExxonMobil has been silent.
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:09 PM   #48
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Perhaps Valvoline increased the Zinc antiwear additive to the old formulation level of Mobil 1, or increased it over that level.

In my area it is very hard to find Mobil 1 5w-30 in the 5 quart containers at Walmart. Is this the result of marketing problems re:Valvoline, or very high demand? It is still available in the quart sizes.

I've done about 50 oil changes since the first one at 3000 miles. It's been Mobil 1 5w-30. I've had no problems with oil consumption. A Subaru master mechanic pulled the engine for the clutch and 100,000 mile preventive maintenance work way and commented on the very good condition of the engine, etc. The car has operated up in the 17 to 21 psi region consistently since mods were made after the first oil change. The guys there know I drive hard; I had one test drive the car and commented he wasn't hitting it hard enough to feel the clutch slip. He said, "he was not comfortable hitting a customer's car harder than he did." I told him to replace the clutch because I could make it slip. Subsequently, he reported that I caught the clutch at just the right time before there was any damage.

The next oil change will be with Penzoil Platinum, and the one after that with Valvoline.

I'll report back if one of those finally ruins my engine or turbo (currently 150,000 miles).:
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why bother to discuss mobil 1..........


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...643#Post718643

GC OIL FTW!
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Mobil 1 is kinda in the thread title. But I guess oil made in Germany is what all US drivers should use. German technology FTW.

I'm Professor Dr. *****mann so I should know.
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