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Old 12-05-2008, 01:53 PM   #1
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While BMW's next 5 Series won't appear until early next decade, technical details are leaking out. Codenamed F10, the 2011 5 Series will feature engines based on the new turbo range. (Note: The present-generation car is pictured).



There's a 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-six in the 540i, a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V-8 in the 550i, and a twin-turbo clean diesel. Even the M5 will switch from the ultra-high-revving V-10 to a turbo V-8, we hear. Hybrids will likely be available as both full dual-mode and mild types, depending on how they're received in the upcoming X6 and 7 Series hybrids.


The 5's wheelbase will grow a couple of inches, but the aim is to maintain current mass through the use of smaller, turbocharged engines and extensive aluminum in the body's exterior panels, such as closing panels, fenders, and roof.
Control-arm front suspensions will replace the MacPherson struts.


Options include the Integral Steering package just introduced on the 7, which adds electronically controlled rear steering to the familiar active front steering. Adaptive damping also will be available. Optional drivers' aids will include follow-to-stop adaptive cruise control, sideview cameras, head-up display, and night vision with pedestrian recognition.


BMW now talks of a "backbone" rather than a platform. The term refers to the firewall, suspension, and floor, in various wheelbases. The F10, and the next 6 Series, will share its backbone with the 2009 7 Series and the 2010 Progressive Activity Sedan. For a preview of the switchgear, instruments, iDrive, and seats of a 2010 PAS, 2011 5 Series, or 2013 6 Series, look at a 2009 7 Series.


Versatile as this backbone is, it has limits. It was deemed too small for the CS four-door coupe concept, which is why production was shelved for excessive cost and reaching, in these hard times, for too few potential buyers.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:58 AM   #2
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Earlier this year, we identified the compact 3-series as the backbone of the BMW brand. Spokesman Daniel Schmidt, however, has corrected us. “The 5-series is our most important model.”

A new 3 is a couple of years away, but a new 5-series will debut in just a few months, so we can understand why he places the importance on the 5. A completely redesigned, sixth-generation 5-series will debut at the Geneva auto show in March. Given the internal code name F10, the new 5-series comes exactly seven years after the launch of the current model, the E60.

Technologically, but thankfully not aesthetically, we get a good idea of this new F10 from the awkward-looking 5-series Gran Turismo, known to insiders as the F07. Like the 5-series GT that’s currently waiting in the wings, the new 5-series sedan will lose its predecessor’s vaunted, lightweight aluminum front structure.

The next 5 will have a far more conventional composition, presumably to save on costs. But in fact, BMW says careful use of high-strength steel lessens the need for expensive aluminum in order to meet overall weight targets and the lauded 50/50 weight distribution. Aluminum will still be used, mainly in the doors, the hood, and the trunklid, good for a weight savings of about 50 pounds.

Like the 5-series GT, the next 5 will be available with four-wheel steering, as found on the 7-series. All-wheel drive—or xDrive, as BMW has branded it—will be an option for several models, but the 5 retains rear-wheel drive as standard. Further technological highlights include the inevitable nanny systems we’ve come to expect in this segment: a lane-departure warning system, radar-based adaptive cruise control, a head-up display, and a night-vision system with pedestrian recognition.


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For performance fans, a new M5 is due in 2011. A turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 will replace the 500-hp, 5.0-liter V-10.
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Initial engine offerings for the U.S. will likely remain close to those of the current model, with the 230-hp, naturally aspirated 3.0-liter 528i as the entry-level model and the 300-hp, turbocharged 535i a notch above. Like the GT, the turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six in the new 535i will now use a single blower with direct fuel injection. The top spot, for the time being, is reserved for the 400-hp 550i, which will be powered by the twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 that we’ve come to appreciate in the X6 and the 7-series. For all models, power will be channeled through a ZF-sourced eight-speed automatic; a six-speed manual may be available, but it might only be offered in Europe.

Non-U.S. models include naturally aspirated four-cylinder gasoline engines as well as four- and six-cylinder turbo-diesels. Although stateside sales of the 335d (diesel) have been sluggish, a 535d, with its 265-plus-hp, 3.0-liter inline-six turbo-diesel, is a strong possibility in showrooms. BMW is also working on a full hybrid version of the 5—based on a gasoline model. A few years into the new 5-series’ life, the engine portfolio will change to more fuel-efficient turbocharged, direct-injection four-cylinders that will likely spell the end of the silky-smooth inline-sixes of the 528i and 535i. A start-stop system that shuts off the engine automatically when the car is stopped will become standard.

For performance fans, a new M5 is due in 2011.
A turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 will replace the 500-hp, 5.0-liter V-10. This V-8—previewed in the 555-hp X5 M and X6 M—will be enhanced to make close to 600 horses while maintaining the fuel economy of the V-10. The M5 will have a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission similar to the gearbox offered in the M3. A six-speed manual is technically possible, but our sources say don’t hold your breath. Pity.
If you were put off by the strange lines of the current 5, you will be glad to know the next generation will be more crisp, lithe, and sporty, with a lower and sleeker look that is complemented by pronounced horizontal headlights and L-shaped taillights. The interior departs from the reduced aesthetics of the current model and moves to a richer look that is nearly identical to the 5-series GT’s.

Four months after the sedan is launched in Geneva, BMW will add a Sport Wagon (“Touring” in Europe)—and we hope it will be offered here as well.




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Old 11-11-2009, 08:10 AM   #3
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I like how the hood lines converge at the roundel like elliptical orbits. It's a bit more of a throwback to the times when BMWs had hoods that protruded further than the front grille. This is much better than trying to integrate the front bumper & grille into the hood lines.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:34 PM   #4
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I'm going to have to disagree with the beave. IMHO I think that line across the front from the hood and the bumper looks out of place.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:40 PM   #5
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I'm going to have to disagree with the beave. IMHO I think that line across the front from the hood and the bumper looks out of place.
where would you like to see the hood line then?
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:16 PM   #6
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They never should have started putting the silver "eyebrow" thing in the headlights. I think it detracts from the overall look of the car...
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^^^ Agree 100%. Overdone for the sake of...???

I like the hoodlines/roundel action, FWIW.
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:32 PM   #8
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Looks like an Mercedes now.
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:13 PM   #9
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Amen, That was my initial reaction, looks like the C-Class from the side.

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Old 11-11-2009, 06:27 PM   #10
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It's an artist rendering.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:19 PM   #11
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Toyotabaru?
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:31 PM   #12
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Amen, That was my initial reaction, looks like the C-Class from the side.

In what way? The character line on the 5 is level from the head lights, while the E starts halfway up the wheel arch and arcs up.

While the 3 series is the signature BMW, the S class is the signature MB. The mid-size 5 Series/E-Class is where the battleground lies.
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looks too much like a 3 series
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:19 PM   #14
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This better be a great car to make up for the way that it looks. But then again, the uglier the Legacy gets, the better it sells.

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Old 11-11-2009, 11:48 PM   #15
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The C&D 5'er pics are hot. Love it.
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It's an artist rendering.
Doh! I was hoping we were seeing a real glimpse into Adrian van Hooydonk's new rule. Perhaps Hooydonk should hire the guy from C&D.
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A real BMW's hood is it's own feature.. it doesn't need to integrate into anything.








Leave the integrated grille to the girls who play dress-up.

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Well, now I know that if I buy a German car, it's going to be an Audi.
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Nein Nein Nein!



A real BMW's hood is it's own feature.. it doesn't need to integrate into anything.








Leave the integrated grille to the girls who play dress-up.

Look at where BMW is now an what they came from. Seems like so much emotion was tied to their cars in the past, and now they seem so cold and rigid. the 2002 seemed to have great curves, mild but graceful. That new 5 series, looks more like a solid block of aluminum with no grace or soul.
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BMW had some nice looking cars back then. Could it be something to do with the collapse of the Berlin wall.
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whatever happened to Chris Bangle? not much evidence of his deign work now. Someone woke up at BMW to a styling nightmare. Finally fixed!
Or was he pushed?
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whatever happened to Chris Bangle? not much evidence of his deign work now. Someone woke up at BMW to a styling nightmare. Finally fixed!
Or was he pushed?
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He was the chief of design until this year. I think his Flame design theme really helped BMW get out of the shaved-bar-of-soap mode that every German auto manufacturers fell into. I also think he went a little over the top with it to make the sides of the cars interesting to look at without really helping to keep the pillars and overall proportions genuinely appealing. Then again, part of loving a BMW's design is loving the oddity of it.

I have a completely different opinion than most people when it comes to BMWs, though. The E46 features my least favorite styling of any BMW by far. I loved the clamshell trunk on the 7 series. I have very mixed feelings about the current 6 series and love the Z3 & Z4.. especially in fixed-roof form. I think the E90 is a good step in the right direction from the E46 viewed as a whole.. but a little too bland when it comes to the finer details.

Now that I've vomited my worthless opinion all over this thread.. I'll stop.

PS: I would certainly drive an E46.. mechanically they're excellent and I'm not one to judge driving a Subaru with a thyroid condition.
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Man, every time I see a 2002 turbo, it makes me want to sell a kidney to buy and restore one. Someone above said it - emotion. That car is pure emotion. It's making me emotion in my pants.
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