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Old 12-07-2008, 09:00 PM   #1
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Default Serious Question: How far from high tension power lines is it safe to live?

The wife and I found the perfect house, except for the fact that it is near some high tension power lines. I think the closest corner of the house is about 25-30 yards away.

Seriously other than that , the place is ****ing perfect. The wife and I want to have children, but we don't want three eyed mutants.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:01 PM   #2
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That's too close. Seriously. You need to be at least a couple hundred yards away to be safe.

I'm sure people will differ on this, but that sort of proximity leads to lots of tumors.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:03 PM   #3
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If your hair starts to stand on end, you're too close.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:03 PM   #4
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Quick search yielded this from the British Leukemia Society:

http://www.leukemia-web.org/aml-leuk...-news-0092.htm

C/N's: 600 meters or less is bad.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:05 PM   #5
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Ouch, that sucks for you mang.


How do high tension power lines cause cancer/ what do high tension power lines look like.

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Old 12-07-2008, 09:09 PM   #6
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Quick search yielded this from the British Leukemia Society:

http://www.leukemia-web.org/aml-leuk...-news-0092.htm

C/N's: 600 meters or less is bad.
that stuff is such bull****. in order to transmit a 60Hz rf signal your power line has to be 4000km long
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:12 PM   #7
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That's too close. Seriously. You need to be at least a couple hundred yards away to be safe.

I'm sure people will differ on this, but that sort of proximity leads to lots of tumors.
Evidence? AFAIK there is no solid research on this.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:14 PM   #8
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I wouldnt live anywhere within 3 miles of those f-ers
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:18 PM   #9
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that stuff is such bull****. in order to transmit a 60Hz rf signal your power line has to be 4000km long
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Evidence? AFAIK there is no solid research on this.
This is the same tactic cigarette companies used for years; you can't PROVE the link.

When there's such a high correlation between living near these lines and huge increases in the occurrence of a rare and deadly disease, I think it's not unreasonable to assume some causality in the absence of a proven pathology.

I say, find another house. There's more nice ones out there. Sure it sucks to walk away from one you like, but why chance it? What if you guys are wrong and your children died? Could you live with yourselves? Would it be worth it?

Imo, bearing the inconvenience of finding another place is justifiable.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:21 PM   #10
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Evidence? AFAIK there is no solid research on this.
Here. This is on NIH's website (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...artid=558197):

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Objective To determine whether there is an association between distance of home address at birth from high voltage power lines and the incidence of leukaemia and other cancers in children in England and Wales.

Design
Case-control study.

Setting
Cancer registry and National Grid records.

Subjects
Records of 29 081 children with cancer, including 9700 with leukaemia. Children were aged 0-14 years and born in England and Wales, 1962-95. Controls were individually matched for sex, approximate date of birth, and birth registration district. No active participation was required.

Main outcome measures
Distance from home address at birth to the nearest high voltage overhead power line in existence at the time.

Results
Compared with those who lived > 600 m from a line at birth, children who lived within 200 m had a relative risk of leukaemia of 1.69 (95% confidence interval 1.13 to 2.53); those born between 200 and 600 m had a relative risk of 1.23 (1.02 to 1.49). There was a significant (P < 0.01) trend in risk in relation to the reciprocal of distance from the line. No excess risk in relation to proximity to lines was found for other childhood cancers.

Conclusions
There is an association between childhood leukaemia and proximity of home address at birth to high voltage power lines, and the apparent risk extends to a greater distance than would have been expected from previous studies. About 4% of children in England and Wales live within 600 m of high voltage lines at birth. If the association is causal, about 1% of childhood leukaemia in England and Wales would be attributable to these lines, though this estimate has considerable statistical uncertainty. There is no accepted biological mechanism to explain the epidemiological results; indeed, the relation may be due to chance or confounding.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:22 PM   #11
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It's "high voltage power lines" not "high tension power lines".
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I tend to think it's because poorer people tend to live near the lines. And poor people tend to have more medical problems.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:27 PM   #13
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I tend to think it's because poorer people tend to live near the lines. And poor people tend to have more medical problems.
I don't know if there's an income/leukemia link. And while poor people may tend to live near them here, the research was conducted in England where housing congestion may not mean the same thing.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:27 PM   #14
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It's "high voltage power lines" not "high tension power lines".

along these high tension lines, why the **** do canadians call them "hydro lines"
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:35 PM   #15
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along these high tension lines, why the **** do canadians call them "hydro lines"
Probably not all Canadians - just west coasters and Quebecers, because most of their electricity is hydroelectric (and the B.C. power company is called B.C. Hydro; the Quebec power company is called Hydro-Quebec).
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:36 PM   #16
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I tend to think it's because poorer people tend to live near the lines. And poor people tend to have more medical problems.
This. The only thing that high voltage AC creates is a 60hz magnetic field, which even at very, very high strengths has zero mutagenic effect on the body (hence why they stuff people in 5 tesla superconducting magnets in hospitals to see what's wrong with them). The fields generated by a power line are several orders of magnitude smaller. Aside from slightly perturbing the hydrogen dipole moment in your body, like an NMR, there's essentially nothing a magnetic field can do to your body. It's completely different from ionizing radiation like x-rays or gamma rays.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:37 PM   #17
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It's "high voltage power lines" not "high tension power lines".
Um, aren't they synonymous?
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:38 PM   #18
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no biological mechanism uncertainty... that's because there is nothing emitted from those power lines that does anything to affect them.

do your kid a favor and give em a cellphone, now that will really give em cancer

lets look at household/local items that emit RF energy that your body can obsorb.

1. cordless phones
2. cell phones
3. wireless routers
4. broadcast TV
5. broadcast radio
6. satalitte broadcast
7. cellphones.... lots of f'n cellphones
8. garage door openers
9. etc

your body will absorb more RF energy in a day from the above devices than you will get in a lifetime living under a power line, which is none
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:40 PM   #19
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It's "high voltage power lines" not "high tension power lines".

Same thing really. Tension was the British (I think) term for voltage. I hear "high tension" much more frequently than "high voltage".
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:40 PM   #20
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Photograph of pine tree made from flourescent tubes powered by emissions from overhead power lines as part of work for residency at Bristol University Physics Department. 2003

Umm I dunno this is just totally my opinion, but judging from whats going on in that pic living under those things cannot be good for your health.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:41 PM   #21
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This. The only thing that high voltage AC creates is a 60hz magnetic field, which even at very, very high strengths has zero mutagenic effect on the body (hence why they stuff people in 5 tesla superconducting magnets in hospitals to see what's wrong with them). The fields generated by a power line are several orders of magnitude smaller. Aside from slightly perturbing the hydrogen dipole moment in your body, like an NMR, there's essentially nothing a magnetic field can do to your body. It's completely different from ionizing radiation like x-rays or gamma rays.
So you're more willing to believe that socio-economic status is more likely the cause of the increased leukemia than high exposure to EMF's?

There's a lot about electricity we don't understand and it's counterintuitive to think because there's no known scientific proof that it must be because these people are poor.

Plus, you're not addressing the fact that the study I cited (and published on our NIH site) was from another country where poverty and these lines may not be the same as here. Even though saying mostly poor people live near the lines is tenously anecdotal at best.
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Umm I dunno this is just totally my opinion, but judging from whats going on in that pic living under those things cannot be good for your health.
The magnetic field induces a voltage between the ends of the tubes, creating the light. Your body is not metallic. It does not five a **** about magnetic fields. You're fine. Other than the fact that you should go take a physics class.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:43 PM   #23
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no biological mechanism uncertainty... that's because there is nothing emitted from those power lines that does anything to affect them.

do your kid a favor and give em a cellphone, now that will really give em cancer

lets look at household/local items that emit RF energy that your body can obsorb.

1. cordless phones
2. cell phones
3. wireless routers
4. broadcast TV
5. broadcast radio
6. satalitte broadcast
7. cellphones.... lots of f'n cellphones
8. garage door openers
9. etc

your body will absorb more RF energy in a day from the above devices than you will get in a lifetime living under a power line, which is none

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Old 12-07-2008, 09:45 PM   #24
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Umm I dunno this is just totally my opinion, but judging from whats going on in that pic living under those things cannot be good for your health.
Why not?
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So you're more willing to believe that socio-economic status is more likely the cause of the increased leukemia than high exposure to EMF's?

There's a lot about electricity we don't understand and it's counterintuitive to think because there's no known scientific proof that it must be because these people are poor.

Plus, you're not addressing the fact that the study I cited (and published on our NIH site) was from another country where poverty and these lines may not be the same as here. Even though saying mostly poor people live near the lines is tenously anecdotal at best.

Absolutely. It's a much simpler and intuitively fairly obvious explanation. The only demonstrable effect that magnetic fields can have on the body is on the magnesium ions in the voltage-gated sodium channels of the neurons, an effect which is harnessed in transcranial magnetic stimulation. Again, those magnetic fields are orders of magnitude greater than those produced by power lines. I'm not saying it's impossible that there's an effect, but I am saying that in the panoply of **** you can do to endanger your health, this is not something you should be worried about. It's science. Try it.
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