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Old 12-09-2008, 12:38 PM   #1
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Default AutoblogGreen achieves 43.1 mpg in 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid



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We're in the City of Angels this week to drive a bunch of new Fords, including the new 2010 Mustang and Fusion. We started off Monday afternoon with a mileage challenge in the new 2010 Fusion Hybrid. We can't share our driving impressions until Saturday, but we can tell you the results of the mileage contest. Ford hybrid applications manager Gil Portalatin used his intimate knowledge of the car to set some benchmarks the day before. Ford claims the Fusion will get at least 39 mpg city/ 37 mpg highway when the EPA numbers are calculated in the coming weeks. Portalatin got 46 mpg on the first segment of the drive route and 43.5 mpg on the hillier second part. Among the journalists on hand, Car and Driver's Steve Siler recorded a 43.6 mpg result on the first part. After Drew Phillips and I switched places for the second segment, I achieved 43.1 mpg, which is a very impressive number for Ford's new mid-size sedan.
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Pretty impressive! This will probably be my next DD.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:02 PM   #2
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Nice. Perhaps there is hope for them.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:07 PM   #3
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Ford will be fine...

Highly competitive hybird Fusion

New Fiesta coming early 2010.

Followed by Euro Focus (im hoping for ST, and RS), Mondeo, and Kuga....there is hope.
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:25 PM   #4
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40mpg in a mid size? With a reasonable price, this should sell well...
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:30 PM   #5
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VW diesel Jetta works too probably cheaper - but reliability could be an issue with the VW. Ford should be better than VW in that aspect.
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Old 12-09-2008, 02:50 PM   #6
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Suck it GM with your Escalade Hybrid, and Lexus with your LS460h.
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:46 PM   #7
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Ford will be fine...

Highly competitive hybird Fusion

New Fiesta coming early 2010.

Followed by Euro Focus (im hoping for ST, and RS), Mondeo, and Kuga....there is hope.
Agreed, if any American company is going to succeed, it'll be Ford.

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Suck it GM with your Escalade Hybrid, and Lexus with your LS460h.
Those "hybrids" make me sick.
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:52 PM   #8
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Suck it GM with your Escalade Hybrid, and Lexus with your LS460h.
Yeah, because the people who are going to buy a large SUV or luxury car shouldn't be allowed to consider fuel economy as a secondary consideration in their purchase.

Face it, the people buying these cars aren't about to buy a Civic or Prius. If they are going to buy an Escalade, it might as well be a hybrid Escalade.
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Old 12-09-2008, 04:16 PM   #9
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Those "hybrids" make me sick.
Why? People who need big SUVs shouldn't get the best possible mileage? Saving just a few mpg on a vehicle that normally gets <20 mpg is pretty substantial.
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Old 12-09-2008, 06:07 PM   #10
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Suck it GM with your Escalade Hybrid, and Lexus with your LS460h.
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Yeah, because the people who are going to buy a large SUV or luxury car shouldn't be allowed to consider fuel economy as a secondary consideration in their purchase.
My feeling about this is that a vehicle as large and expensive as an Escalade or Lexus LS should ONLY come in hybrid variants. At the prices those vehicles run, hiding a couple of thousand dollars worth of hybrid technology should be a no-brainer - both vehicles have stereo upgrades that cost more than the premium that a hybrid powertrain would tack-on a "regular" car. And both of them are rather large vehicle, so finding space for the battery-packs should also be a fairly easy proposition.

I can understand that someone looking at an Escalade or LS isn't gonna cross-shop a Civic or Fusion, so have those people pull their fair share in terms of efficiency.


BTW, I am rather impressed with this Fusion. I really hope this is a SMASH hit for Ford - that would really send the Detroit automakers the right message that this is indeed the future. Sure, build high-profit pickups for those that actually need them for work, but for the rest of us, these cars are the future. If she can get past the blue-oval badge, this would be perfect for the GF.
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Old 12-09-2008, 06:13 PM   #11
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Why? People who need big SUVs shouldn't get the best possible mileage? Saving just a few mpg on a vehicle that normally gets <20 mpg is pretty substantial.
Hybrid driver stigma + large car/suv = not cool.



You should see the way the Prius drivers try to run hot laps to the grocery store around here.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:45 PM   #12
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If they can bring this car in at a competitive price it will be a hit. Ford is going to do very well if it can weather the **** storm that is Chrysler and unfortunately GM.

It's very telling that Ford's exec arrived in this Hybrid to the bailout talks and the GM exec arrived in a test mule that may or may not ever reach production at a super high price point, and the Chrysler exec showed up in a discontinued full size hybrid.

I smell fail everywhere in Detroit but in Ford's house.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:52 PM   #13
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It's very telling that Ford's exec arrived in this Hybrid to the bailout talks and the GM exec arrived in a test mule that may or may not ever reach production at a super high price point, and the Chrysler exec showed up in a discontinued full size hybrid.

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GM's Wagoner took three vehicles for the journey from Detroit, with most of the trip spent in the Chevy Malibu Hybrid. He also traveled in the Cobalt XFE, the highest fuel-economy car that GM sells, and the E-85 Buick Lucerne, which runs on ethanol. Wagoner also will drive a test version of the Chevy VOLT before testifying.



Ford's Mulally was reported driving a Ford Escape hybrid, and Chrysler's Nardelli took the Aspen.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Indus...6387062&page=2
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Would it have been cheaper if they all boarded the same passenger plane instead of drive?
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:28 PM   #15
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:29 PM   #16
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People who need big SUVs
Because driving anything under 9000lbs is just clangorous.
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Yeah, my bad. That's probably only cause he didn't know you could play the pre-production/out of production card.
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Yeah, my bad. That's probably only cause he didn't know you could play the pre-production/out of production card.
We also would have accepted:

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Well Wagoner had to take 3 cars down there, since not one of them would have made the entire trip on it's own without breaking down.
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:33 AM   #19
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I think Ford has done a fantastic job w/ the Fusion. I've felt they were the maker to make it through this whole downturn and come out the other side a profitable company. Kudos for putting pressure on Toyota to get an updated Camry Hybrid out there. We'll see if Toyota really does have D3 syndrome where they leave the Camry as is after the competition has eclipsed them.

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This is good for Ford. Maybe their plan was not all BS after all.

I still think that Ford and GM will make it and Chrysler will be split up. I think only the Viper name brand and Jeep will survive from Chrysler.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:06 AM   #21
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Those "hybrids" make me sick.
Actually, GM got it right by making the large trucks hybrids instead of the small cars, if the intend was to save gas.

Let's say the Escalade gets 15mpg in mixed (city/hwy) driving and the hybrid version get 20mpg. Driven over 100 miles, the saving is 1.67 gals.

100/15 -100/20 = 1.67

Take the Ford Fusion. Say 30mpg non-hybrid and the hybrid version gets 40mpg. Once again, reasonable mixed driving mileage numbers. The savings is .83 gals over the same 100 miles.

100/30 - 100/40 = .83

So an driver switching his slade to a hybrid version is making twice the impact than the Fusion driver switching over to a hybrid. Personally, I don't really like the big, full-sized SUV, but I can understand why certain families need something like that. Large family, towing, campers, business, etc...

As others have said, large suv buyers won't be cross shopping for Civic or Fusion hybrids.
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Actually, GM got it right by making the large trucks hybrids instead of the small cars, if the intend was to save gas.

Let's say the Escalade gets 15mpg in mixed (city/hwy) driving and the hybrid version get 20mpg. Driven over 100 miles, the saving is 1.67 gals.

100/15 -100/20 = 1.67

Take the Ford Fusion. Say 30mpg non-hybrid and the hybrid version gets 40mpg. Once again, reasonable mixed driving mileage numbers. The savings is .83 gals over the same 100 miles.

100/30 - 100/40 = .83

So an driver switching his slade to a hybrid version is making twice the impact than the Fusion driver switching over to a hybrid. Personally, I don't really like the big, full-sized SUV, but I can understand why certain families need something like that. Large family, towing, campers, business, etc...

As others have said, large suv buyers won't be cross shopping for Civic or Fusion hybrids.
Which is why I have tought for a long time that making small hybrids made little sense and was mainly marketing BS. However there was a comparison between the hybrid Suburban and the Diesel MB - both were virtually identical regarding - cost - numbers ie seating. Both returned very similar milege performance. However the MB could out tow the hybrid Suburban based on tow weight limits etc. Which gets around to the main differences very complicated hybrid systems vs pretty simple and tested diesel systems. The argument about enviornmental is kinda moot given the bluetech MB stuff and the fact the hybrid Suburban still burned gas in the low 20mile per gallon range.

Where technology will change all of this is if/when diesel can be made from things other than crude oil, such as alge etc. And when the hybrid technology allows people to drive their suburbans to the grocery store around the corner without burning a drop of gas.

Either case - the alge to diesel idea is tapping CO2 emissions from power plants to increase the alge growth and reduce the co2 emissions from the power plants - the Electric charge for the plugin hybrid is reducing the gasoline consumption and exhaust. So you have a case where the green factor will be quite close between the two though the complexity in the technology in the vehicles will be quite different and make for quite different ownership experiences. That and either approach will have its clear advantages over the other and should play a role in which vehicle you purchase.
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it makes more sense if you go from a OBS at 19 mpg city to a prius at 45 mpg city.


so your reasoning, going from a fusion that gets 30 mpg to a fusion that gets 40 mpg is hogwash.



it all depends on the previous car and your driving habits



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it makes more sense if you go from a OBS at 19 mpg city to a prius at 45 mpg city.


so your reasoning, going from a fusion that get 30 mpg to a fusion thats get 40 mpg is hogwash.



it all depends on the previous car and your driving habits
Sure the world would be much better if everyone drove a Prius, but that's not the case and will not be the case for a while. Cars are very personal and satisfy some personal need be it simple transportation, family taxi, recreation, small business, etc... Who am I to say how someone should be able to use their vehicle.

Bottomline, there's a handful of reason why everyone picks the vehicle they decide to purchase. It could be because of cost or speed or utility just to list a few. The best way to get the country to use less fuel is to provide all the same vehicles with better gas mileage, not just compact and midsize sedans that already get decent mileage.

Up until recently, the best selling vehicle in the US for almost two decades was the Ford F-150. Don't know what kind of mileage they get off the top of my head, but if all those MILLIONS of F-150s, and all full size trucks for that matter, get just 5mpg improvement, the amount of gas we would save would probably be more than if you got everyone who drives a car (non-truck) to switch to a hybrid.

Hey, here's a better idea, why don't we make semi trucks more efficient. Each one drives hundreds of thousands of mileage every year with terrible mileage. Cars that get 25mpg+ are not the problem. It's really the pickup and semi trucks and they won't be going away. Just make them more fuel efficient and you will see a much bigger return on investment if saving fuel is the goal.

BTW, improving mileage if not limited to just switching to some hybrid technology. Switching fuels, improving aerodynamics, reducing weight, improving efficiency with technology like CVTs, direct fuel injection, idle stop, bio fuels, etc... Each item only has a small impact, but applying all the available technologies together can have a big impact.

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