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Old 12-09-2008, 01:12 PM   #1
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Anyone remember the good old days, when TTAC manned the barricades in the fight against federal subsidies to a corn-based ethanol industry that made little sense for anyone but the corn-based ethanol industry? Rest assured, we haven’t de-listed our “E85 BOTD” (Boondoggle of the Day) category.

We’ve just been a little… preoccupied with that other call on the public purse emanating from the city whose motto is, ironically enough, Speramus Meliora. And while we’ve been away, the price of imported oil– and thus gas– has dropped precipitously.

Even copious federal subsidies (.50 a gallon “blender’s credit” to start) hasn’t been able to shelter the E85 folk from that particular reality. In fact, E85 sales are pretty much shot. Kaput. It’s got so bad (good?) that E10 (10 percent corn juice) is now falling by the wayside.


Ethanolproducer.com (EP) is the bearer of bad tidings (for some):


“The falling price of gasoline is making it possible for many Missourian fuel retailers to bypass the state’s renewable fuels standard and supply customers with standard gasoline instead of E10. Missouri’s standard, which was enacted Jan. 1, 2008, requires E10 to be sold when the price of the fuel is the same or lower than the price of unblended gasoline…


‘For the consumer, it ensures that they are always purchasing the lowest priced fuel possible,’ [Missouri Petroleum Marketers & Convenience Store Association’s executive director Ronald] Leone said. It also ensures small business owners and retailers are able to remain competitive with Missouri’s boarder states, which don’t have any ethanol standards or mandates.”


EP’s article chronicles the “threat” to E10 mandates caused by “price provisions” in Louisiana and Oregon. Of course, “once the price of ethanol drops below the price of gasoline, the standard will once again take effect.” For them. As for the rest of us, hey, at least we’re not required to buy E85.
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Old 12-09-2008, 02:29 PM   #2
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thetruthaboutcars.com won't stop flogging it until ethanol is dead.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:44 PM   #3
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The subies in PDX that have been tuned for E85 will be verra verra sad if it ever goes away...
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Old 12-09-2008, 06:57 PM   #4
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thetruthaboutcars.com won't stop flogging it until ethanol is dead.
And good riddance.

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Old 12-09-2008, 10:33 PM   #5
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The subies in PDX that have been tuned for E85 will be verra verra sad if it ever goes away...
I'm over 3 years running e85 in the EVO and I'll definitely miss it, but it needs to be gone.
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Old 12-09-2008, 10:42 PM   #6
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As a Missouri resident THANK F***ING GOD!

Those of you that don't live in states with ethanol in all fuel are sooooooo blessed.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:56 AM   #7
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So, a (likely) short term issue in Missouri indicates that it is dying?! Piss poor report.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:36 PM   #8
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So, a (likely) short term issue in Missouri indicates that it is dying?! Piss poor report.
Not so much. There was some major turn over in the state legislature last month and lets just say ethanol in Missouri's days are numbered.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:15 PM   #9
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As a Missouri resident THANK F***ING GOD!

Those of you that don't live in states with ethanol in all fuel are sooooooo blessed.
so what's the big deal. We have 10% mandadory blend here in IL but I never noticed a difference over other states' gas
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:42 PM   #10
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Heh, the real litmus test will be if the poster also favors adding lead.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:26 PM   #11
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Why do people hate 105 octane pump fuel? I love being able to run 25+ psi on $1.30/gallon fuel and still get 15-17 mpg mixed.
My GC loves the stuff. As for the food=fuel equation, that's bull**** as ethanol can be produced in a responsible manner.

Fuhkpetroleum.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:35 PM   #12
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Why do people hate 105 octane pump fuel?
Would you like to buy me 14:1 pistons so i can take advantage of it? Then install my old ones when we realize that no, you can't make it responsibly?
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:08 PM   #13
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Your cylinder pressure is of no concern to me as I have a turbo and I'd like to be able to continue buying E85.
Sorghum can be farmed using biofuel powered implements.
That's odd here in my town they're (Lignol Energy) getting ready to build a plant to produce ethanol out of pine beetle infested timber stock pulp cellulose which would be a tinderbox in a couple years.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:47 PM   #14
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The problem with e85 is it is too costly. It's heavily subsidized and it really serves no purpose that can't be replaced by something much more cost effective unless of course you're using it as race gas like me.

I love the stuff and have been running it for over 3 years, but that doesn't make it a good thing. I say remove the subsidies and the mandates and let's see what happens. I'd personally still buy it for my EVO even if it's $.50 more per gallon.
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