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Old 05-09-2015, 02:18 PM   #1
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Default Clutch issue, help

Had to leave it on the side of the road, was driving today and all of a sudden I couldn't change out of first gear.

When I pulled over and turned off the car, I able to shift through the gears no problem, but when I start the car I can't get it into gear.

Starting it in neutral I can't get it into any gear, seems like when I push the clutch peddle doesn't work??

When I start it in 1st gear, the car wants to move right away even with the clutch peddle pressed all the way in, as if it's not pushed in.

So my guess my clutch isn't moving very much, but what would cause that so I know what to fix.

Thanks in advance,
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:35 PM   #2
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Could it be a hydro fluid issue. Possibly the slave cylinder ?
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:53 PM   #3
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Clutch master? Slave cylinder?
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:42 PM   #4
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Change the clutch slave cylinder first, it's the cheaper of the two.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:09 PM   #5
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Check clutch fluid level. If no/low fluid, start looking for leaks.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:52 PM   #6
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Quote:
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Change the clutch slave cylinder first, it's the cheaper of the two.
Had the same issue in my old Mazda truck. Almost impossible to get into gear with the truck running. Ended up being clutch slave cylinder.
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Old 05-09-2015, 10:44 PM   #7
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Spring in the clutch disc let go is another posibility. You may be able to see signs through the inspection hole. Happened to me , pieces of spring jammed up the fingers on the pressure plate.
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:03 AM   #8
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master or slave premuch
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Old 05-10-2015, 11:28 PM   #9
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Had the exact same symptoms. Ended up being the clutch fork. Somehow the pivot point shattered and left a nice hole.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:20 AM   #10
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Quote:
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Check clutch fluid level. If no/low fluid, start looking for leaks.
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You have fluid, yes?
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Old 05-16-2015, 01:31 PM   #11
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Thanks for all the replies. I had to fly out for work the following day and left it until now.

I got the car towed home, and before I went to remove the clutch slave I wanted to check if it worked so I filmed a short video and it seems to operate fine, but I'm not sure.

The video below is with the car running. I push the clutch peddle all the way in twice. (Skip to 10s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqSeyMs_01U


Any thoughts? Does the slave work correctly? If that isn't the problem, any idea what else it could be?

Here is what I can confirm:
-Yes there is fluid and there are no leaks. Fluid looks very black.
-When the car is off, everything feels and seems normal
-I am able to change gears when the car is off, and then starting it in the gear. When starting in 1st, car wants to move right away. (I only tried N and 1st)
-When starting in N, pressuring the clutch in the peddle seems to have a slight shudder feel to in on the way down
-I am unable to change gears when the car is running.

Thanks,
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Old 05-16-2015, 07:54 PM   #12
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-Fluid is good. No leaks, which means no place for air to get in. Good. I'd worry about the colour later.
-When the car is off everything feels normal because the engine is putting no force on the gearbox.
-When the car is on you can't disengage the clutch (pushing the pedal isn't doing anything). The stroke from your slave looks to be fine, looks just like mine(assuming this is your RS?).
-The slight shudder that can be felt is supposed to be dampened by the springs in the clutch disc.
-You could change gears when it's running with slip shifting, but I don't recommend it unless you're stranded somewhere or know what you're doing.

^^sorry, just my written thought process, not trying to point out the obvious.

I still stick with one of the theories that it's something inside the bell-housing, take out the inspection plug and see if you can see anything. I have money on a spring in the disc, but there are a few other good ones that can cause your symptoms. Personally I don't think it's slave or master but I've been known to be catastrophically wrong before.

When it happened to me this was the piece of clutch spring that wedged into the fingers of the pressure plate allowing me to depress the pedal but not to fully release the clutch disc from the flywheel.

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Old 05-17-2015, 01:58 AM   #13
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Awesome thanks for your help!

Where is the inspection plug, the drain plug?

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Old 05-17-2015, 07:03 PM   #14
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Removed the clutch today, one the springs was completely broken. This clutch is maybe 5 years old from Subaru. Did it myself then as well. Should I go with another oem one or go aftermarket?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yiprkr8ftr...%20pm.jpg?dl=0

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Old 05-18-2015, 02:46 PM   #15
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Ouch! That's a nice one!

I dunno much about the different types of clutches for these cars so, for what it's worth:

I used an Exedy OE type kit because it was inexpensive and wasn't a priority. I can't say anything about it yet as it's only been 1000kms. Feels OK, feels stock. Full kit (disc, pressure plate, release bearing, pilot bearing, and a little tube of grease) worked out to 193.07 CAD + shipping. Plus new release bearing clips are $2.57 each from Subaru.

I was doing a ring job on my engine so I replaced the clutch because it was out; if I was just doing a clutch job I probably would have gone OEM or upgraded to something more fun.
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Old 05-18-2015, 04:30 PM   #16
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Are you sure that's a oem clutch disk? I mean did you purchase it from Subaru? The reason I'm asking is because it looks more like a jobber clutch. Just check out a exedy, who makes oem clutch for Subaru, on any online site and compare the disk. Yours seem to have broken due to a weak corner at one of the springs. The exedy ones have a different design which strengthen this issue.
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:58 PM   #17
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Yeah that's what I bought online this time. Yes that one is 100% oem Subaru clutch, I bought it from Richmond Subaru maybe 4-5 years ago.
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Old Yesterday, 04:49 AM   #18
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Some experiences I've had with the clutches I've gone through...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2279971
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