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Old 12-10-2008, 03:02 PM   #1
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Default New HNR Coming. Pricepoint? $99

Totally Unofficial Details available in our sandbox thread.
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=20133

Pictures of the device closer to the bottom of Page 4
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t=20133&page=4

Results available here
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t=20133&page=7

Cliff Notes:
Tested pretty damn good. It either attaches to chin strap (pretty effective) or the HANS posts on helmets (VERY effective, better then HANS or ISAAC, with some caveats)

This thread is not about advertising, just an FYI. I have no relation to product manufacturer and don't even use their product (unfortunately because of SFI 38.1 issues, a device such as this will never be 38.1)

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:46 PM   #2
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I'm not a racer, so forgive me for being tarded here

How does that actually hold itself and your head in place? I've worn a HANS before when I did a ridealong, and it's easy to live with.... goes over your shoulders and straps to the helmet before you get in the car, then just put the belts over it and tighten your belts. But that thing, it looks like it has to actually attach to the seatbelt itself, and either stay there or be attached once you're belted in. Is it something that you can do by yourself or would it require someone to help you into the car, because it certainly doesn't look easy to use.

Or am I just missing something?
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:03 PM   #3
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I'm not a racer, so forgive me for being tarded here

How does that actually hold itself and your head in place? I've worn a HANS before when I did a ridealong, and it's easy to live with.... goes over your shoulders and straps to the helmet before you get in the car, then just put the belts over it and tighten your belts. But that thing, it looks like it has to actually attach to the seatbelt itself, and either stay there or be attached once you're belted in. Is it something that you can do by yourself or would it require someone to help you into the car, because it certainly doesn't look easy to use.

Or am I just missing something?
It looks like the belts go through the nylon strap, then are attached to the helmet. Which means you have to pull the quick release chain to get out of the car (which I believe is the SFI 38.1 "issues" he's referring to).

BTW...release chain? Seems like a bad idea to have a chain attached to your chin in an accident.


Don't get me wrong...I'm glad Isaac is still trying to come up with an affordable HNR...they just need to spend more time/effort figuring out how to get it certified so sanctioning bodies can accept it.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:39 PM   #4
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Yup...Looking forward to purchasing mine for $74 (since I provided measurements in the thread, I get $25 off.) My local club does not require SFI, and I've been looking for an option. This might just be it.

Hi Tom.

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Old 12-10-2008, 09:16 PM   #5
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Yup...Looking forward to purchasing mine for $74 (since I provided measurements in the thread, I get $25 off.) My local club does not require SFI, and I've been looking for an option. This might just be it.

Hi Tom.

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Take pictures! Like I said... I've had a HANS device on... I know how they work, and I know how easy they are to deal with. I still can't understand how you'll be able to strap yourself in with that thing, so... PICTURES!
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:53 AM   #6
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Very informative thread. I wish that he would post pictures of it installed on someone with a harness so I could see how it attaches exactly. Even with the above explanation it doesn't entirely make sense to me.

Here is also a new H&N restraint that would appear to be very similar to the HANS device but with improved side impact protection
http://www.improvedtouring.com/forum...ad.php?t=24862
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:55 PM   #7
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Totally Unofficial Details available in our sandbox thread.
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=20133

Pictures of the device closer to the bottom of Page 4
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t=20133&page=4

Results available here
http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t=20133&page=7

Cliff Notes:
Tested pretty damn good. It either attaches to chin strap (pretty effective) or the HANS posts on helmets (VERY effective, better then HANS or ISAAC, with some caveats)

This thread is not about advertising, just an FYI. I have no relation to product manufacturer and don't even use their product (unfortunately because of SFI 38.1 issues, a device such as this will never be 38.1)

-Tom
Tom -- totally cool that you're trying to make a solution of your own -- but maybe I'd stay away from any claims that it's better than other, proven, and existing products -- even with caveats.

I'd say that beyond personal opinion -- (not something I'd use to base the limits and thresholds of safety a product will deliver) -- unless your device has been tested on and off the track to give real data to compare it to a HANS, ISAAC, etc, it seems a little bit iffy to me.

Again, I'm not saying anything negative about your product or its abilities -- just that without comparative crash data, claims of it being better at preventing a head and neck injury are kinda' sketchy.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:00 PM   #8
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Marshall,

It isn't Tom's product, he was just showing links to some good threads about it.

It is an Issac product, that has been tested as of last week or two. Specifically:

http://www.roadraceautox.com/showpos...&postcount=312

For those asking for pics:

http://www.roadraceautox.com/showpos...&postcount=324

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Old 12-23-2008, 02:13 PM   #9
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Very informative thread. I wish that he would post pictures of it installed on someone with a harness so I could see how it attaches exactly. Even with the above explanation it doesn't entirely make sense to me.

Here is also a new H&N restraint that would appear to be very similar to the HANS device but with improved side impact protection
http://www.improvedtouring.com/forum...ad.php?t=24862
That defNder appears to be a great option. Almost as good as a HANS in frontal impacts but better in a 30 degree impact and cheaper too.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:46 PM   #10
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The OT pics in that thread on page 3 and 4 killed me
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Old 12-23-2008, 10:56 PM   #11
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Marshall,

It isn't Tom's product, he was just showing links to some good threads about it.

It is an Issac product, that has been tested as of last week or two. Specifically:

http://www.roadraceautox.com/showpos...&postcount=312

For those asking for pics:

http://www.roadraceautox.com/showpos...&postcount=324

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Sorry -- a bit confusing for my head.
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Old 12-24-2008, 07:11 AM   #12
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It looks like it's easy enough to release if you needed to get out of a car in a hurry (e.g. it's on fire).... but it still doesn't look like a person could strap themselves into a race car without assistance in hooking those tethers on.
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Old 12-24-2008, 01:05 PM   #13
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edit, read thread. Too bad it can't get SFI certification. I was at a BOD meeting, and all the SCCA seems to care about is SFI, as that is all the lawyers care about. Hopefully some sort of certification that keeps the lawyers happy can be determined for this device. The wife and I are going to have some sort of HNR before doing any HDPEs in the future, and this price point is nice.

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Old 12-24-2008, 01:41 PM   #14
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Tom -- totally cool that you're trying to make a solution of your own -- but maybe I'd stay away from any claims that it's better than other, proven, and existing products -- even with caveats.

I'd say that beyond personal opinion -- (not something I'd use to base the limits and thresholds of safety a product will deliver) -- unless your device has been tested on and off the track to give real data to compare it to a HANS, ISAAC, etc, it seems a little bit iffy to me.

Again, I'm not saying anything negative about your product or its abilities -- just that without comparative crash data, claims of it being better at preventing a head and neck injury are kinda' sketchy.
Marshall,

Like Chris said, I've got nothing to do with device other then seeing info posted about it on our forum.

As far as testing, the reason I posted that it tested better then HANS was that in the actual Delphi sled test, it DID test better then the HANS

I won't be using it, as I care about the SFI 38.1 BS, but its too bad that this BS standard exists, as I'd rather be using the ISAAC.

-Tom
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