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Old 12-14-2008, 11:28 PM   #26
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Oh? is that why they still sell a barely distinguisable QX? Oops, I mean, Armada with fake wood...
I allow one model for $$ cow sake. I was more talking about the G,M,FX,EX cars.

And, while you can say the G is a tarted up Z, it's really more the other way round. This is evident in the platform being developed to run the SUV, making it a portly 2-seater. In comparison, Acura is a Euro accord, a nice Civic, a nice Accord, a really nice accord, and a nice Pilot. The product differentiation isn't enough to warrant the $$, even with some really sweet interiors and sound systems.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:31 AM   #27
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It's not? Integra = Acura's cheapest car. 3-series, for a string of many many years (up until the arrival of the 1 series) = BMW's cheapest model of car.
That doesn't matter. The Continental GT is Bentleys cheapest car, but that doesn't mean it competes with Integras.

The Integra is comparable to the Jetta, not the 3-series.
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Old 12-15-2008, 09:18 AM   #28
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Huh? Lexus did not exist before they came out with the LS -- that was their first car, the 1989 LS400.
My bad. My point was just that a "luxury" brand needs to have a high-end flagship car not just lower and mid-range cars that are rebadges of their mainstream brand.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:19 PM   #29
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It's not? Integra = Acura's cheapest car. 3-series, for a string of many many years (up until the arrival of the 1 series) = BMW's cheapest model of car.

However, you're right. The Integra will not stand up to a the likes of a 318 or 325...

It will demolish it. In fuel economy. In performance. In longevity. In quality of build. In satisfied owners. In resale values. Need i go on?

Sorry. My apology.
Acura themselves said in the early 2000s that the TSX was their 3 Series fighter, not the Integra. In all those years, I never saw the Integra as being a luxury brand competitor... just a step up in the Honda path if you were into car modding.

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Old 02-03-2009, 08:18 AM   #30
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is continuing its ongoing efforts to become a Tier 1 luxury brand despite the difficult economic times. According to Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Acura wants to move up the ladder without jeopardizing its “value-for-the-money” image.

“Being a premium luxury brand is not just about product. It’s the way dealers handle customers,” Colliver told Automotive News. ”You’ve got to earn your way into the segment. You don’t necessarily have to have a $90,000 sedan to get there.”



At a recent meeting with dealers, Colliver left open the possibility that the NSX could be revived since “the development is mostly done.” Honda announced late last year that it was canceling plans for the next-generation NSX.
Also in the pipeline is a new crossover for this year that will be slotted between the RDX and MDX
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:15 PM   #31
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I was on the lookout for a single car that would consolidate my somewhat refined DD business car and my highly modified WRX weekend toy. I looked at the G37, the A4, the R32, the Spec.B and the TL AWD. Each had their strong points and weak points to achieve that end as would be expected. Eventually I chose the new TL SH.AWD for three main reasons.

1. Great deal. 4K under MSRP
2. I am leasing so -
2b. Very high residual value
2c. Very low money factor
3. Its drive = beer goggles

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The TL SH.AWD handles well and pulls strongly for a relatively large and heavy car. I haven't had an opportunity to stretch her out yet as I am still breaking in. But I have been able to enjoy some mild on an off highway stuff and a bit of time paddling through a few twisters nearby; I can say that the Acura is very composed for its size and weight under normal spirited driving conditions. It pulls strongly and predictably out of corners and the brakes are easy to modulate. Actually the brakes are one the surprising positives for this car. For a big car it brakes in a very balanced way.

The manner in which torque is distributed to wheels is successful. For a car that will only see spirited but safe driving it handles really well. The computer controls power to the outside wheels out of a corner and creates a composed while thrilling sensation. I didn't pick this car for its tail out track performance.

I haven't had her in the snow yet but from what I have seen on the forums snow performance is another strong suit. Which will eventually be important for me during winter break treks to the NC and WV mountains.

The ride is actually pretty stiff for a luxury sedan and that is one of the reasons I like it. While stiff it does seem to soak up bumps and imperfections without being jarring or overly rough like my WRX was. The Acura provides good feedback while still providing a very quiet and composed ride. The steering is a little light at lower speeds, but tracks dead on and holds true to that quality Honda steering.

It hasn’t exhibited any of the anti-lock (oh sh@t) loss of braking while hitting road “imperfections” under a heavy foot that both of my other cars have. Because the car hasn’t been on a track I have no way to determine how quickly the brakes will fade with heavy use; but there appears to be brake ducting which may prove to be functional. The rotors are also pretty beefy in stock form front and rear.

The car provides a blend of everything I was looking for in all the right places so far. And interestingly there doesn’t appear to be any significant compromises.

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Old 02-03-2009, 04:11 PM   #32
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The A4 starts at 32.7k WITH awd. different size and different prospective buyer imho.
No, it starts at $31K with FWD. And the Premium Plus 211hp FWD model with DSG starts at $35K. And it's comparable in size with the A4, last I looked.
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Old 02-03-2009, 04:17 PM   #33
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Look I just cannot in any way say this is a good looking car from any angle. Even when seen on the road, I think acura missed the mark buy a LOOONG margin.. I mean to each his own, I am sure it drives and feels great, but I just cannot get past the dork fish front end.
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:17 PM   #34
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Look I just cannot in any way say this is a good looking car from any angle. Even when seen on the road, I think acura missed the mark buy a LOOONG margin.. I mean to each his own, I am sure it drives and feels great, but I just cannot get past the dork fish front end.
it does actually look MUCH better in person, imho.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:35 PM   #35
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Good choice of color. I think the silver is the only color that works for this car.

If it handles anything like the last generation TL, it should be a relatively fun ride considering it's size.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:15 PM   #36
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Good choice of color. I think the silver is the only color that works for this car.

If it handles anything like the last generation TL, it should be a relatively fun ride considering it's size.
I got lucky with the color combo. The sh.awd is not common in the SE right now.

And it does look better in person. And esp. after driving it
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:19 PM   #37
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I thought that was the RL...can't tell the difference anymore.

Whenever I see the new gen. Acura models, they definitely look better in person...especially in white.
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:07 AM   #38
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Nice car, just a shame about how it looks.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:10 AM   #39
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if you are leasing the car... why worry about break in procedures?


That said, though the styling looks better in person, it is still pretty offensive. The angles of the car do not look good or flow with the car... an example of a well designed angular car is the CTS or CTS-V
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