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Old 12-11-2008, 02:18 PM   #1
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Default November 2008 issue - your reactions?

I really enjoyed the latest issue. I wasn't expecting much from the x-games article because I had watched the televised version a few times, soaking it all in. But the article gave some good info that wasn't televised as well.

I'm glad I'm still subscribing. My food for the subie addiction.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:53 PM   #2
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I was under the impression there would be more pics from Subiefest. I recall someone from the magazine asking(thru nasioc) if they could use a couple of pics I took in the next issue. Sigh I didnt get my 15 mins
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:48 PM   #3
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I am still waiting for mine to arrive...
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:13 PM   #4
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Took for ever for a copy to make its way to my local Barns n Noble
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:35 PM   #5
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I am not going to renew my subscription (and I have had it since they started making it).

I am down to Grassroots Motorsports only.

Too infrequent, information is old, and costs too much for what I get (too much bling/modifications as well).

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Old 12-22-2008, 09:47 PM   #6
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I have the digital version and have not been notified of a new issue since the Aug/Sep issue. Not sure what is going on.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:23 PM   #7
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The digital edition has been out for some time. You must have missed the notice. If not, email info@mediaspigot.com and we can send you the link. As far as "bling" goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. We have been featuring hardcore racers and in-depth tech for the past year. What bling?
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:56 PM   #8
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I have not received the free NASIOC sticker with my paid subscription, when will I receive this??

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Old 12-24-2008, 02:59 AM   #9
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You will get your sticker with the first issue of 2009 which will be coming out soon.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:57 PM   #10
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The digital edition has been out for some time. You must have missed the notice. If not, email info@mediaspigot.com and we can send you the link. As far as "bling" goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. We have been featuring hardcore racers and in-depth tech for the past year. What bling?
Sure. That is a fair question.

So, I guess I need to define "bling" to get this off correctly.

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bling

My skew on this is something that is more ostentatious than it is purposeful. While there is a lot of room their for interpretation, admittedly, I generally am looking for reasons to do things, a purpose for those things, and hard proof of that improvement.

Where is the bling:
Magazine in question: Nov 2008

First, with a bi-monthly delivery, and this month's being 96 pages, I am going to be more critical as it is another 2 months until I get another issue. Therefore, the constraint of my post will be only about the November issue.

After re-reviewing the mag, please don't get me wrong -- it looks nice. However, a nice look is not what I personally want, but I am just one person. Content, to me, is paramount over looks, but, yes, if you can have both at the same time, that is awesome.

The wordy content without specific purpose or hueristics is just a put-off for me as I don't see the "road map" about an articles discussion. For example, page 32's article, to me, is just a chronology and mod-list. While I am not discounting people doing what they want, that is the type of article I have been force fed for quite a long time with no unique slant. PrimeMedia is out of business, and I think there is a good reason for that.

Following that, the page 25 and 30 articles for me were of no relevance. ESX has not shown a lot of relevance to the "general" user due to their pricing structure and general unavailability (yes, I do know about the Gary's ESX SWGT STi, and Richard's Canadian Rally Car). The individual interviewed on 30 had no-relevance to me and only proved to me that people with excessive amounts of expendable cash would buy one.

As for the X-games coverage... it was a nice "social" look into what goes on in the background but really no more. While, yes, they talked about very oblique things that they did to the cars and what they were experiening, there is something completely different to a knowledgeable writer doing these things and then reporting on what HE did. To me, the lessons learned are not filtered by someone with an agenda to win, and you get to really give a good exposition on the experience. For what the article was (reporting), certainly not bad.

So, yes, the article on page 88 had some relevance to what I am talking about... but then again, not really. CAI? How many times has this been discussed. Also, why CAI when there is no purpose? To me, I just shake my head. Then, there is the "why did you spend all this money? Why do you need +10 AWHP? What are you doing with this?" Still, experimentation was done with numbers. Better, but I swear I read this in SCC about 6 years ago on their WRX...

Page 94 -- bam. Thank you. More of this. Lots more (although I wish this was not about a body kit, but I will latch onto the positive slant here). You know how many people have "older" Subarus? You know how many weird quirks people would like to fix (ICE ABS, steering rack knocks, end link knocking, rear strut clunk, real heuristic oil comparos, transmission snake oil NASIOC urban legends, etc...). The one article I wanted to see was truncated into a 2 page "smash". I don't like the car, necessarily, but I do like to see thoughtful "hands on" intelligent "mods". See more Koji.

I think I will just stop there as I would have to brainstorm A LOT to get specific input and I would have to give a lot of specific examples over a long period of time to prove hard exact points. Honestly, I am only one person, so my opinions might not resonate.

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What is really boils down to, however, is that IT IS a personal bias. I agree. However, it is just my opinion, I am only one reader and I don't want the magazine to change for me. If this is what the target audience wants, and it pays the bills -- awesome, keep it going.

What I do know is that I DID run out to every magazine stand to try to find a Subiesport when they were impossible to find, and I have had a subscription for quite a while. However with the test of time, GRM is more of "what I want" and Subiesport just feels "bling" to me.

Thanks for the issues and the time you have taken to do a very nice appearing and Subaru specific magazine. I don't tear out magazine pages and put them on my wall, so I guess it is just missing me. For my limited time, I will take a magazine that I get very FEW Subaru specific articles but more in-depth "tinkering" and "purposeful 'modifications'".

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A good Subaru magazine, but nothing that isn't what has already been done, a lot.

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Old 12-29-2008, 04:27 PM   #11
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Well........the way mags have been dropping lately.....just give it time.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:00 PM   #12
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Subiesport Magazine will not be "dropping" any time soon. We strive to keep the magazine balanced between many different aspects of the Subaru enthusiast world. If you look at any magazine on an issue-centric basis, that is, as a stand-alone entity encompassed in a single issue, you will find some things that are lacking.

However, if you look at the magazine as a whole in context of previous content, I think you will find that we give good, in-depth coverage on many topics. It is a challenge to balance content between fun, hardcore, racing, rally etc. In some issues we are heavy on the technical content. In other issues we focus on other topics and kinds of articles.

If you wanted to see the buildup of an Open Class rally car for instance, you can look at the issue we did last year with the RockStar Rally Team. While I value your input, I think some of the comments just don't ring true when you look at the scope of stories we cover in a year.

Yes, it is difficult to include all that we want with only 100 pages and 6 issues a year, and there are always stories that I hold for next time, but rest assured if it isn't in this issue, you will probably find it in the next one.

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Old 12-29-2008, 08:52 PM   #13
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Travis:

Thanks for the reply, and I can somewhat agree. For me, I have a voracious appetite for information (partly job [linux], partly enthusiast), makes it a gamble what I am getting every month. If the issue is flat for me, it leaves me at best 6 months between "good content".

Regardless, I am treading on "personal preference" and I enjoy the magazine has taken a stance. I am just going to vote by picking it up at a magazine stand when I have a chance for now on rather than subscribing.

Thanks for your time and comments.

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Old 12-31-2008, 04:38 PM   #14
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Having cancelled my subscription a few months ago, I was unpleasantly reminded as to why once again. Statements that without the Honda Tuner Kids/Scene being around there would have been no WRX and then later the STI...is nothing more than yellow journalism and revisionist history. It's also a knock on all the GC/Legacy and owners from places like USMB who helped lay a foundation for the Subaru enthusiasm we now see. It says more about Travis and his background then anything else. Just because you have a large soapbox to speak from, doesnt make what you say in print correct, but it does paint you as a Johnny come lately. Sorry it took you so long to get here.
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:37 PM   #15
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Sorry you feel that way, but that is how the import tuning craze in this country started, with Hondas in Southern California. Before the WRX hit the United States, you could count the number of Subaru tuners in the United States on one hand. Thanks to Southern California import tuning culture, the groundwork was laid and more importantly, a market for turbocharged 4-cylinders was created. I dare say, without this sort of environment, Subaru would not have been as compelled to bring the WRX to the United States.

It isn't a knock on anyone to say that because one subculture went mainstream that it helped create a viable marketplace for car makers to start bringing their hot sport compacts to the US. And about the same time the WRX hit, you also had the SVT focus, the 350Z, the IS300, EVO, S2000, EP3 Civic SI, Sentra SER V-spec, Hyundai Tiberon V6... All trying to capture a bit of the "Fast and the Furious" market that had been created by Import Tuning culture that was based LARGELY around the Civic and Integra. Sadly, your not understanding this paints you as a "Johnny Come Lately." It is easy to have a myopic view of the world when you are too focused on one marque. Instead of being so myopic, my column was meant to argue for a more inclusive view of our tuning culture and not bash on others' cars just because they are not a Subaru. I find this silly.

History is what it is, and we should all be aware of it. Just because you like one thing more than another does not change history. My view of events still stands, we owe a great debt to those who went before us in this industry.

You could possibly also argue that without companies like Polyphony, the creators of Gran Turismo, did a lot to bring awareness of cars like the WRX, EVO, and GTR to young aspiring tuners that we would not now have the WRX on US shores.
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Let me break this down by each one of your points. The Honda's of Southern California is exactly what many Subaru owners wanted to avoid, hence their purchase. Crediting them for creating a niche is still rude, inconsiderate, and not backed by any facts other than your opinion. Which in and of it's self is skewed because of your own background. Please show many any facts that Subaru was influenced by the Socal Honda culture versus Subaru learning what their NA fan base felt here stateside.

When did "we" hit this "mainstream", you speak of...I would love to hear some dates. If your going to make huge (IMO inaccurate) generalizations then lets put some dates as to when all this transpired. As for the fast and the furious comment...if those are the people you are trying to appeal to than I am indeed wasting my breath. A simple search of even this forum will yield you little in positive results of those Subaru owners who post up their vehicles that have taken F&F path. My view is not myopic, I well aware of other cars, I have owned other brands as well. But there is a reason I have picked a Subaru for my last few models and it has nothing to do with what other tuners were doing with other makes and models. I and others like me picked Subies, because they were ecclectic, utilitarian, and fun in a multitude of environments, and specifically because they were not those cookie cutters that everyone else had. Your missing of this segment is what still makes you "Johnny", and in a way I feel bad that your not sharing what myself and others feel. You Sir are missing out on one of the fundementals of Subaru ownership....that's the real, what it is of History. I owe nothing to those in the industry "before" us...I owe everything to those who brought Subaru to where it is today. As for Gran Turismo...I was driving a Subaru SVX alcyone in the original GT and Honda Tuners, Souther Cali, and these people you think this community owes a debt of gratitude too. had nothing to do with it.
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I am having a hard time seeing any points here other than you think I am wrong and you don't like the association with Hondas. I am not sure why. The simple fact of the matter is that many people on this very board where Honda-tech members before there was NASIOC. If you think that big companies, like Subaru, make decisions about what cars to import into the US in a vacuum... I don't know what to tell you other than they don't. In fact, I have had this very conversation with people from Subaru who have basically said the same thing I have: The time was right, the ground work was laid by the tuning subculture and they decided that there was a market ready and willing to accept this new car, and guess what? Import car enthusiasts did, Subaru scored with the WRX and then the STI.

You are making a mistake in thinking that the way YOU view the car and the reason YOU bought the car are the same for everyone. My point in my column was to cut through the myopia and hopefully make people think differently about their cars and why we have them. In fact, every single big-name tuner I have ever talked to had a tuner honda at one point and loved it, remembers it with fond memories and would buy another just for fun.

If you want dates, I would say that around 2000 the tuning scene became rather mainstream. That year would have been the zenith for the Honda tuning scene and it was about then that we started to hear that maybe some of the cool JDM cars that were not available yet would be coming to the US; Like the EVO and the STI/WRX.

As far as Subaru listening to their "NA" fan base... yeah, that is a microscopic segment of the car-buying public and you can't decide to import a car just because some die-hards would like it... it does not work that way. You have to establish a wider market appeal. How do I know this? Because I have been told, directly, by Subaru that while they are very aware of the needs and wants of their loyal customers, they also have to consider who else might want to buy a car. So, in 2001, when they decided to bring the WRX over, it was because they felt that the US was ready for a turbocharged 4-banger. Remember, turbos have a bad name in this country and many people are leery of them thanks to the abortive attempts by the big three to sell turbocharged small cars in the late eighties. Turbocharged cars were considered unreliable and many older buyers still carry that stigma in the back of their minds. Again I think you are just missing the big picture.

Consider the hundreds of thousands of kids who were reading magazines like Superstreet, Import Tuner and Sport Compact Car in 2000 who all wanted a turbo Honda and then here comes Subaru saying that they would indeed be importing a WRX or were at least considering it... You think all those people might have been interested? You think that might have been just a small test market?

Basically you are confusing why you bought a Subaru, and why you like them etc. with why Subaru felt the time was right to import the WRX. I still believe that without the right conditions, that car would never have come here.

As for Johnny come lately... I have been writing about, in and a part of the tuning scene in general since about 2001 and building, writing about and driving Subarus since 2003... Johnny come lately... right. Just because I have a sense of history and am not a complete fanboi and have an appreciation for other cars does not mean that I am not a fan or an enthusiast.
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It's apparently not just me that thinks you are wrong, hence the reader response letter...maybe it's just two of us lol. Again I'm fine with Honda-tech members or anyone else on this board and never stated otherwise. But if you think Subaru is big, you are again mistaken. The conversation you have had with Subaru (albeit Western Region people would be my guess.) is the same conversation I and others have had. My guess would be no official from Subaru ever credited Honda tuners with their decision to release the WRX in North America...if I'm wrong I will apologize...just direct me to the link.

You insinuate that I am making a mistake stating as to why I bought a Subie is representative of everyone. Yet somehow you state that that your opinion that we owe a debt of gratitude to the tuners previously mentioned...how is this grand assumption any different from what I stated? Other than I didnt make my in a Subaru enthusiasts magazine.

Nice job insulting the "microscopic" segment of Subaru fans who had NA's. Not sure why you would go out of your way to say something disparaging towards them though. Ijn addition it's slap to say so those very people that they were all misinformed simpletons in regards to turbos just because of what the Big 3 had done prior. Especially considering the drive for many Impreza owners to make there cars FI on their own.

If what Subiesport is shooting for is to be another Superstreet, Import tuner, SCC, then more power to you...personally I think you will be missing out.

As for calling me a fanboi..I was driving Subies when you were still driving around town in your Honda...I already knew better then...but if you want to trade insults I have to go no further than that riced out Subie wagon you have now. That widebody kit makes baby Jeebus cry.

Good day to you. Again thanks for the reminder on why I know longer subscribe.
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No worries, thanks for supporting the magazine. This year look for some changes to the magazine with different kinds of features. We welcome any and all criticism (or praise if you so wish). The book has been a little light on tech lately as my Technical Editor, Tim Bailey, has been busy starting a new shop etc. Hopefully I can chain him to a computer long enough to mine some tuning insight for you all.
Also, I hope to get my little wagon to the track. There have been some pretty big changes to it over the summer. Hopefully I will have an update soon.
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speaking of issues...when will the new one be coming out? I could hardly contain my impatience yesterday, and, despite my online subrscripion, I went out and bought a hard copy. That's right folks, this issue is so nice I bought it twice. In all honesty its starting to feel like a real magazine; a herald of the Subaru lifestyle that transcends simple motorsport. This issue displays our interest as more than just the obsession of a select few, and expands it to include otherwise weary automotive enthusiasts. The photography may be more artistic than descriptive (such as those in "Brothers in Boost"), and the layout may be more graphic than explanatory, but these things do not subtract any sort of credibility or relevancy of the magazine. I hate to say it, but it simply is more socially acceptable, and I don't see how that can be a bad thing.
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Still waiting for my new issue. The last digital version I received had the Red Forester STI writeup.

What the heck is taking so long? It looks like I already missed an issue (Xgames).
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Still waiting for my new issue. The last digital version I received had the Red Forester STI writeup.

What the heck is taking so long? It looks like I already missed an issue (Xgames).
https://secure.mediaspigot.com/subie...eplacement.php

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