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Old 04-11-2001, 01:52 AM   #1
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Post sorry but this has got to be said (about Clubsi)..very long

stop the trash talking! stop all the hating. its uncalled for, pointless, and provocative. it is ignorance..thats right ignorance. ignorance = hate. its the same kind of ignorance that poeple have been practicing since the beganing of time, the same type of ignorance that is the cause to racism, bigotry, prejudice, intolerance...and a bunch of other crap that has plagued human society since history began....and this is a human community and you guys of cousre are playing this out to a f*cking tee. just stop it. most of the poeple who bash clubsi havent spent much time over there and dont know ***** about it, and they make assumptions, assumptions that are based on ignorance...dont make judgements based on something you dont know about...number one flaw of man kind and im sick of it, man if poeple could just learn to end that crap we would have peace on earth i swear too god.
i have been a member of clubsi as long as i have been a member here and i know more about it then all you who sit there and make up bull***** about it, and everyone that claims its full of ricers based on one thread that they have read, and how evil, an immature everyone is over there. well ive been seeing comments like that for a long time, all the while everyone at club si has never had ANYTHING but great things to say about the i-club and subaru's in general, and it always made me feel good that i was a part of the club they were praising, and then i come back here and its all "Honduh" this and "clubsi is a bunch of immature ricers" that. if you could compare all the threads over there about us and all the threads over here about them, and all the threads totally and UNJUSTLY trashing them to bits over here, then you could CLEARLY see who are really the immature ones. there are things you have to understand about clubsi, and that is that it is DIFFERENT than the i-club, very different, its a different type club, because it is different does NOT mean it is inferior and deserve our scourn (back to ignorance = hate, etc). and beacuse it is so different poeple make the ASSUMPTIONS again. poeple have been doing this same **** over and over agian through out history in different forms and its PATHETIC. if the way club is run does not float your boat, dont hate, trash talk on it, and make ignorant false assumtions about it...just dont go there and live your happy merry little secluded life here. but if you acctually went over there and talked cars and got to know poeple you would learn something. there are 20000+ memebers over there and yes there are gonna be some idiots, more thanany other board probly....BUT..if you spent some time there youd come to find out that their intelligent/cool people to idoit ratio is much higher than almost any other club on the net. but know all the most of you want to do is ahte, its what your good at, its what poeple are good at. it definatley has less "ricers" than any other honda board on the net (trust me i surf a lot of them i know, im not making an ignorant assumption). and clubsi is a place where you can go and talk about all cars. they do not carry the attitude that HONDA IS GOD, but rather all cars kick ass, where here you guys bash them and call them "honduhs" so once again quite with that "maturtity" B.S.. a board thatthat allows poeple too cuss out of the ass and fight to the death on opinions does not make them ricers/immature/whatevertheelsehatefullcrapyoou can come up with, it amkes it DIFFERENT im sorry if you are scared of something that is different. if it doesnt float your boat thats beacuse your different. beacuse it is different doesnt make you need to slander it and hate it.
this thread has been directed at those who have participated in the activities that i have described, and i know that many of you show the clubsi and honda poeple appreciation and not mindless hate....

P.S. i saw clubsi's first negative thread about us today and it was well warranted, cuz like most poeple they take offense when they shat on needlessly by other poeple for no reson, and when they have always shown us respect.......try and do the same.

ONLY POSITIVE COMMENTS ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD. if you still want to blindly hate, kepp it to your self please.

[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited April 11, 2001).]
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Old 04-11-2001, 03:00 AM   #2
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Ya, I noticed about half of the folks over there were just fine...

But thats still alot of problem people left for me!
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Old 04-11-2001, 03:40 AM   #3
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I agree.

I don't really want to see any more threads bashing ClubSi. There is no need for crap like that. If you are that insecure, just keep it to yourself, no need to display it to all of us.

I really hope this doesn't become an issue.
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Old 04-11-2001, 05:17 AM   #4
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BUT..if you spent some time there youd come to find ou that their idoit to intelligent/cool poeple ratio is much higher than almost any other club on the net
Not to be an ass, but I don't think that's something to brag about...

Anyone who thinks that ClubSI is immature should go read the <a href=http://www.supraforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001147&p=1>Supr a forums.</a>
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Old 04-11-2001, 05:58 AM   #5
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urp..
I am thinking he intended it to say that there are more cool/intelligent people than idiots.

heh.
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Old 04-11-2001, 09:36 AM   #6
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You know... ClubSI is pretty cool, but like any environment where there are lots of people, any converstation can fall apart. No reason to start a fight.

I happen to own a Honda also, and it's a great little car. 222,000 miles on the original engine and it doesn't burn any oil, always starts, and zips around corners. It never breaks, gets 35 mpg, and everything works. It's a little slow compared to the Impreza, but it's also 12 years old and is a 1.6L engine!

So how do you say one car is better than another? They are both GREAT cars. How is one owner better than another? They are the same.

My best friend has a Civic and it's a col car that he takes just as much pride in as well do our cars. He has the same fun with mods, like rims, tires, sway bars, etc., and it's a blast working on the cars together.

I'm trying to convince him to join the SCCA so we can race against each other, because THAT would be real fun.
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Old 04-11-2001, 09:41 AM   #7
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It's the Si vs ALL that I visit. I never post there. It's so funny coz a majority of the posts are....shall we say.....dumb?

Anyway, I stopped lurking there months ago. Maybe it's changed. I don't care.
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Old 04-11-2001, 09:48 AM   #8
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Wow. I was not even THINKING about ClubSi until you brought it up.

Hey, here is an idea: ban all ClubSi bashing, but unsolicited bashing of I-clubbers is ok.
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Old 04-11-2001, 11:16 AM   #9
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back when i had my si, that was my home. the site, as far as tech. stuff goes is pretty dang good. there are many people on that board that know their stuff. but, there are many many more trolls and just stupid kids on the board than the real enthusiasts. its very sad too. i remember when i first started readin' clubsi, the site was fantastic. it was basically like this site. very informative, very funny people, and all in all good readin. then came the trolls.. and the wars with LS6.com. eh, it was terrible. then came more trolls.. then came the "out there" forum. it just went downhill for me from there.. aside from the fact that i traded in the SI for my scooby
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Old 04-11-2001, 11:45 AM   #10
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And as I believe someone has pointed out before, we're not immune to some of the same problems here that have shown up on clubsi, especially since Subaru is becoming more well known with the WRX.

If you want to trash clubsi, then get a domain name like clubsi-sucks.com and trash them there (or i-club-sucks.com and trash i-club there). Just leave it out of here. We're not in "competition" with them or anyone else. Instead, maybe we should be trying to work together, cooperate, share knowledge/experience. I'd say that should apply regarding any other cyber-club of auto enthusiasts. If nothing else, we should be a bit more civil.

Brian

p.s. Besides, some of the so-called r*ced out cars I've seen, I've actually liked. I've recently spotted a red Accord that would typically be classed this way, but for some reason I think it looks cool.

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Old 04-11-2001, 12:16 PM   #11
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urp..
I am thinking he intended it to say that there are more cool/intelligent people than idiots.
heh.



ooops, yea thats what i ment thanks. editing that now...

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Wow. I was not even THINKING about ClubSi until you brought it up.
Hey, here is an idea: ban all ClubSi bashing, but unsolicited bashing of I-clubbers is ok.


thanks for the comment, i appreciate it. like i said at the end of the post, this was not directed at you then.
this it was directed at the the 3 threads made in the past couple of days that were made for no reason other than to bash clubsi. unsolicited? we were the ones needlessly bashing, not clubsi.

and like i was saying earlier clubsi is different, most of the unbelievably dumb stupid posts are made by trolls, poeple who are not serious (but many of them are HILARIOUS, but others are just plain annoying), there are many, many other sites out there (not gonna name names cuz that would be kinda of hypocritical of me) that there boards are full of these types of posts every day but the poeple are friggin serious, but no one bashes these site right an left (probly because they dont have 20000+ members and have a notorious rep like clubsi but...). like i said its a diffferent place, its not for all poeple, but different does not equal = inferior or bad or *insert insult here*. if its not your cup of tea then stop goin there just like snoopy and a damon did. and behind all the joking around and heated arguments you can learn a lot of stuff about ALL CARS and have fun at the same time.



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Old 04-11-2001, 12:41 PM   #12
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Excuse me for being ignorant but what does r*cer mean?
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Old 04-11-2001, 12:49 PM   #13
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What is this "we" crap?
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Old 04-11-2001, 02:17 PM   #14
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Im sorry, but i dont see hwo people can say there are alot of knowledgable people on the ClubSi forums.

I see alot fo people they WISH they knew what they where talking about, and WISH they had a clue, and like to thell the people that know somthing that they are wrong.

THe problem with ClubSi and msot other import car forums is that they have been swept up in the rice boy culture of all it takes is a new intake, and some 17" wheels and you got yourself a street terror. Um...if that was the case we would all be driving around in 450 BHP Yugos. Performance doesnt often come in a box, and cant be installed in 5 minutes. And that unfortuantly is the mentality of msot people.

For instance i remember a thread on ClubSi where someone was discussing the air flow benefits of running the stock air box, and how it worked far better then most intakes on the market, and completely killed intakes like the Weapon-R, and rIce-Man intake. It flowed higher volumes of air, and becuase the air box acted like a plenum, it added more low end torque, without losing high RPM punch. And how it could be acheived with very minor modifcation to the air box. He even had Dyno charts to back up his findings on both an Si and an ITR. And what happened, EVERYONE jumpped all over him, calling him a lier, and that he didnt know an intake from his ass hole cause he was a ***. Even three moderators called him a lier, and told him he needed to learn waht "tunning" was all about. Whatever, the stock air box does work better...imagine that, the Honda engeniers actually know what they are doing when they design the OEM equipment...odd. After seeign that, and the numerous "i killed a Z06 vetter with nitrus and a supercharger, and drag slicks, on the freeway when i flew past him at 185 mph, in the rain, upside down, through a tunnel, fromt eh high downforce of my GT wing, he got owned" posts, i quit looking.

ClubSi started out cool. But unfortunatly with anything else that becomes a fad, every lame ass, and dick head this side of the planet has to come over and ruin it for everyone else. Just like Napster...i alpha tested it when the server was on a 486 linux box in some dudes basement running off of an ISDN line. Now because of leechers, and newbies, and other people that think they are mp3 gods that didnt know what an mp3 was two months ago...the service is dieing, and will eventualyl be forgotten. And personally im glad it is dieing.

Hopfully ClubSi will do the same thing, and the whole Honduh trendy cookie cutter, look at me ive got the same lame mods on my car that you do, but im still unique crap will die off, and it will become a real forum again, with real inteligent people. Just like this forum was when this site was still impreza-rs.com. Now thats its the i-club its been kinda dragging down. Hopfully we dont becme the next ClubSi, when that happens...im leaving the country and moving somewhere where people know what performance cars is all about. Fortunatly, this forum is bassed heavily on Rallying, which keeps most rice boys at bay. Becuase its a very technically oriented sport, which most people cant comprehend. So they stay out. Rallying is the i-clubs savior. Again, i can only hope things stay as is.

...ok....im done...
 
Old 04-11-2001, 02:21 PM   #15
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enough...
we have heard enough..

this always ends up in a flame war - or bashing war - or my car is better than... *sigh*

knock it off guys...
and i am saying it nicely.

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Old 04-12-2001, 01:30 AM   #16
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I started reading the message because I thought it was a clubsi bashing thread. Then I find out it's an anti-clubsi bashing thread, and written very poorly to boot. I quickly tuned out of the peace, love & happiness nonesense. BTW, ignorance does not equal to hate. In fact, the cliche is ignorance is bliss

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Old 04-12-2001, 01:42 AM   #17
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no offense but , people are gonna talk smack no matter what, as long as people love their cars their gonna trash all the other cars. thats life deal with it.
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Old 04-12-2001, 01:45 AM   #18
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From my experience, there are a lot of idiots on Club Si. Call them trolls if you wish, but they are still Club Si memebers and still idiots. You'll note that the I-Club has no such members because our moderators don't let that happen. I have never seen an entire thread about a Honda on this page were 85% of the "facts" were utter BS, yet I have several times on Club Si. Also if you look at Club Si, you'll notice that a lot of the level headed car enthusiasts don't own Sis or even Hondas.

The only thing I will agree with you on is that Club Si is a different kind of club. They have forums where they allow blatant mis-information, trolling, and bashing. The I-Club doesn't.
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Old 04-12-2001, 01:52 AM   #19
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I do not own a honda, my cousin owns a SI. I have gone to 3 bay area meets. Most of the people are rather young (most seem to be under 25), but I kinda expected that. We talk about MP3 car players, turbos, supercharging, mustangs, camaros, suspensions, car in general, sometimes my subby, most any thing. There are a few people that arn't that friendly, and there is one guy that is very annoying (at least to me). I go to more honda/si meets than subby simply becuase I happen to be where they are happening, and I get invited by my cousin. The bay area meets always seem to be during the work day, south bay area, or in san francisco. Plus I love readin what yodaisgod has to say, guy is a nut! They (si and superhonda) seem to have more noise over there. Some of it is pretty funny. I don;t see as much funny stuff over here (I am NOT complaining).
I just think its the individuals and not the groups (in general) that are good or bad. Get to know some of them, they are good guys.

Oh, I am sure you have heard, most of the honda/si people that responded to a recent poll, were split on whether to get a wrx or a itr. So they can't be all bad, if they like the wrx enough to consider it over an itr.
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can you please post the negative thread about us that's over on clubsi?
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