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Old 12-15-2008, 10:48 AM   #1
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Default If GM goes down, what happens to the Corvette?

This has been bugging me for a while now. The Corvette is GM's oldest model, and has a customer base that will not go away. The cars are built at a separate plant in Kentucky, by technicians who excel over their counterparts in other areas of GM. Would GM cancel the Corvette and shutter the plant? Could the workers buy the line outright and have it be a separate entity from GM? Maybe source different engines and finally shelve the pushrod V8? I dont think they make alot of money on the cars, and they are a niche vehicle, but they have come so far in the engineering, build quality and performance of the marque it would be a crying shame if they killed it.

Plus, someday I will be able to afford a Corvette, and I would love to be able to take delivery in Kentucky after watching my LeMans Blue Z06 being built....
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:51 AM   #2
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They'd probably sell off the brand, just as Dodge is looking to do with Viper.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:51 AM   #3
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GM won't go down...(nice sexual reference though...)

They may file chapter 11, but they won't be closing anytime soon.

Maybe: http://www.corvetteblog.com/archives...s-figures.html
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:54 AM   #4
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do people really think that GM is going away?

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Old 12-15-2008, 10:58 AM   #5
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They'd probably sell off the brand, just as Dodge is looking to do with Viper.
This ^^^^^^

They already treat it as a different brand when it comes to racing. Chevrolet is fairly hands off with their ALMS program. It's "Corvette Racing" and the word "Chevrolet" hardly ever comes up in conversation. All the engineering work is done by Pratt & Miller, which then gets passed on to the roadgoing car as well if I'm not mistaken.

If GM ever did die, and I doubt it... there's probably enough support behind the Corvette brand to keep it alive if nothing else.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:58 AM   #6
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I was just there. Nice place. And did you say finally shelve the pushrod V8? I believe that's an oxymoron here.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:00 AM   #7
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keep in mind folks, bankruptcy just allows them to try to restructure & negotiate debt. They don't just go away and if that were to ever happen, it would be bought up, even if it was in bits and pieces.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:01 AM   #8
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Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but in Europe, Japan, etc. isn't is just a Corvette? Isn't it already it's own brand / marque / whatever-you-want-to-call-it outside the States?
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:05 AM   #9
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I was just there. Nice place. And did you say finally shelve the pushrod V8? I believe that's an oxymoron here.
^ Yeah, that pushrod LSx motor is the best thing Chevy has ever made. Why shelve it? With that motor they make power comparible to the best European multi-valve/multi-cam engines, with generally better fuel efficiency and better reliability thanks to so many fewer moving parts and a tried/trued design. And it can hold up to ass tons of HP.

That engine should be in every car they make. Cobalt included (as long as it's RWD).
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:05 AM   #10
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do people really think that GM is going away?

Ppl with a dumb, oversimplified view of the world do...
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:14 AM   #11
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^ Yeah, that pushrod LSx motor is the best thing Chevy has ever made. Why shelve it? With that motor they make power comparible to the best European multi-valve/multi-cam engines, with generally better fuel efficiency and better reliability thanks to so many fewer moving parts and a tried/trued design. And it can hold up to ass tons of HP.

That engine should be in every car they make. Cobalt included (as long as it's RWD).
seconded.

a dohc v8 would be too heavy and likely wouldn't fit under the low slung vette hood. pushrod motors have some very distinct advantages that IMO more than makeup for their deficiencies. Additionally, contrary to popular belief the pushrod design is actually newer than the overhead cam design... but that is just worthless trivia and has no practical bearing.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:17 AM   #12
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Wow the average citizen doesn't understand this bailout thing for the auto industry
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:26 AM   #13
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seconded.

a dohc v8 would be too heavy and likely wouldn't fit under the low slung vette hood. pushrod motors have some very distinct advantages that IMO more than makeup for their deficiencies. Additionally, contrary to popular belief the pushrod design is actually newer than the overhead cam design... but that is just worthless trivia and has no practical bearing.
Apart from simplicity and a little smaller size what are the advantages of a pushrod engine vs. dohc?
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Aside from lower costs, service, and probably efficiency? We're talking DOHC here.
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Aside from lower costs, service, and probably efficiency? We're talking DOHC here.
Well its the vette so I doubt a few extra pennies matter that much, and i doubt that turning a chain to drive the cam, pushing rods up through long small tubes to rockers is more effecient than the incredibly simple design of dohc heads on each bank which directly drive the valves. I'm just curious if GM has ever tried a overhead cam v8 and how it faired.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:34 AM   #16
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Well its the vette so I doubt a few extra pennies matter that much, and i doubt that turning a chain to drive the cam, pushing rods up through long small tubes to rockers is more effecient than the incredibly simple design of dohc heads on each bank which directly drive the valves. I'm just curious if GM has ever tried a overhead cam v8 and how it faired.
Look up 1990-1995 ZR-1 vette.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:36 AM   #17
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if gm did sell corvette, there would be plenty of buyers in line.

mmm, how about a ls7 powered sti.

yah, smoking crack, that would require an entire new drive train.
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Well its the vette so I doubt a few extra pennies matter that much, and i doubt that turning a chain to drive the cam, pushing rods up through long small tubes to rockers is more effecient than the incredibly simple design of dohc heads on each bank which directly drive the valves. I'm just curious if GM has ever tried a overhead cam v8 and how it faired.
ZR1. They outsourced the motor IIRC.
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ZR1. They outsourced the motor IIRC.
Correct. Technically, the LT5 heads were Lotus-designed.

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ZR1. They outsourced the motor IIRC.
Outsourced the design to Lotus.... and then handcuffed them by saying that certain parts had to meet certain design specs.....

And then outsourced the construction to Mercury Marine, because at the time Chevrolet didn't have the tools required to make aluminum block engines.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:57 AM   #21
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Remember all those banks that "failed"? They're still here, just bought out by companies who know what they are doing (more so than the dumb banks).

Survival of the fittest.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:03 PM   #22
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many republican congressman do not want GM to be bailed out-- would rather see them fail or go bankrupt. it is indeed a reality that GM could "go down" if you listen to congressional testimony on C-span

and bankruptcy in this case may indeed be the end of GM, at least if you believe the management of the big 3 automakers- who say that consumers will not buy a car from a bankrupt carmaker

and I'm lolling at those of you that think they know more than the next guy about GM's fate.
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Remember all those banks that "failed"? They're still here, just bought out by companies who know what they are doing (more so than the dumb banks).

Survival of the fittest.
Bank of America is one of the banks that bought the "failed" banks (Merrill Lynch, in this case). Still, they're saying they expect to cut 30,000 jobs in the Charlotte market. If that counts as "knowing what you're doing" over one of the big banks, we're ****ed.
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and bankruptcy in this case may indeed be the end of GM, at least if you believe the management of the big 3 automakers- who say that consumers will not buy a car from a bankrupt carmaker
I've said it before and I'll say it again..... have these ****ers realized that nobody is buying their cars NOW?
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:10 PM   #25
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I've said it before and I'll say it again..... have these ****ers realized that nobody is buying their cars NOW?
Ermm, plenty of people are buying their cars, it was only this past year or so that they ceded their #1 sales position to Toyota, and only by a few thousand units.

The real problem with GM (as I have stated ad nauseum) is that they are operating as though they still had 50% market share, when its really 25%.
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