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Old 12-18-2008, 12:37 PM   #1
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There has been an ad of a new Honda scooter going around these days, and it’s pretty smart, comparing the diminutive Smart ForTwo to the even smaller 50cc Metropolitan scooter. Certainly, the two-wheeler by Honda practically outdoes its much larger 4-wheeled relative, more than doubling the fortwo’s EPA mileage figures. Again, it’s always difficult to contrast the attributes of a scooter with those of a car.

It takes a lot of commitment to opt for open-air riding on the back of a little scooter in contrast to the relative safety of a “cage.” In addition, the smart can get up to highway speeds with no problem, something that the Metropolitan can’t do.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:25 PM   #2
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I've put hundreds of miles on a Metropolitan II scooter. Damn thing won't get past 27mph downhill, and regularly tops out at 22mph.

100 MPG though.
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:09 PM   #3
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yeah, Smart should do similar advertising showing drivers using both during rain
"who's the Smart now? "
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:40 PM   #4
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I've put hundreds of miles on a Metropolitan II scooter. Damn thing won't get past 27mph downhill, and regularly tops out at 22mph.

100 MPG though.
that's the thing: my electric bike offers essentially the same performance characteristics (23-24 mph on the flat, more on hills, of course ) but is much cheaper to run yet. 100 mpg is nothing compared to less than a tenth of a cent per mile in electricity...

(i'm including battery costs as part of the vehicle's cost, and my up front cost was comparable to that of a small, polluting gasoline scooter so that's a wash as far as i'm concerned.)
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Old 12-18-2008, 06:06 PM   #5
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^ Well considering half of the electricity generation in the USA is from coal that last statement was well thought out.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:14 PM   #6
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No way. He only buys windmill juice. The windmill factory doesn't buy coal burning electricity either. The trucks that bring the parts to the site run on hopes and dreams as well.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:24 PM   #7
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^ Well considering half of the electricity generation in the USA is from coal that last statement was well thought out.
Not meant to hijack but I tried explaining this concept to a co-worker the other day and they just couldn't understand that electricity comes from another energy source which may cause polution depending on what it is. They didn't understand
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:46 PM   #8
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Not meant to hijack but I tried explaining this concept to a co-worker the other day and they just couldn't understand that electricity comes from another energy source which may cause polution depending on what it is. They didn't understand
No you see - if you drive an electric car - the electricity is magically sent to your house and no bad stuff like coal or oil is involved. Shiishh I thought Everyone knew that?

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Old 12-18-2008, 08:00 PM   #9
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^ Well considering half of the electricity generation in the USA is from coal that last statement was well thought out.
He's in Seattle. The vast majority of his electricity is hydroelectric...
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:35 PM   #10
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He's in Seattle. The vast majority of his electricity is hydroelectric...
my electricity is 100% renewable (http://www.seattle.gov/light/Green/g...er/greenup.asp) and i'm using a tiny fraction of what a car would use.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:52 PM   #11
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So we should all move to Seattle and buy electric scooters.
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Old 12-18-2008, 11:04 PM   #12
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So we should all move to Seattle and buy electric scooters.
eventually economics will force many more people to approximate the lifestyle that i've voluntarily chosen out of a conviction that it's a good thing to do (not to mention cheaper and less frustrating -- what's traffic when the bike lane is rarely trafficked?).

it does get tiresome on bitterly cold days such as today, but that's the price i pay.
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:07 AM   #13
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even the Smart is safer than the scooter

the price you pay for protection...
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:43 AM   #14
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:22 AM   #15
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actually it's much safer...
read a little about it. Everyone assumes that just because it's small as hell it's not safe. The car is wery stiff and rigid the "smart" thing about it is that it uses other cars' crumple zones in a crash
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actually it's much safer...
read a little about it. Everyone assumes that just because it's small as hell it's not safe. The car is wery stiff and rigid the "smart" thing about it is that it uses other cars' crumple zones in a crash
problem is, you will go through massive deceleration which will cause tons of internal damage. This is why cars need crumple zones. And "using the other cars crumple zone" is marketing bs for a huge safety flaw.

Safer than a scooter? Definitely yes,

Safe compared to other cars? No.

The Smart isnt that smart after all.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:11 PM   #17
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Grumpy people on THIS thread! I think the scooter looks cute and love the idea of electric bikes/scooters/cars: much more environmentally friendly to have one highly regulated source of energy production than 100 million virtually unregulated (after initial sale), even ignoring the vastly reduced energy consumption.
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:03 PM   #18
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It just really depends on where you live too. In this part of California, you basically have to have a car to live here. The public transportation system is terrible, and there is 80 miles of urban sprawl spreading out in many directions from the greater L.A. area.

I wouldn't want to drive a scooter around here with all the traffic. I'd literally feel safer on an actual motorcycle. Doesn't have to be a hayabusa, but I'd at least rather have enough power to at least have a chance at getting out of some bad situations. There was a sudden explosion of smart car sightings around here when they opened up a dealer 3 miles from my house... It's like a vehicle option that is right between a real car and a scooter on 4 wheels.

Me personally, I could get away an electric bike because I only live a couple miles away from where I work and I have 3 grocery stores within walking distance from home (one of which is directly between home and work). But most people around here aren't so lucky.
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I've put hundreds of miles on a Metropolitan II scooter. Damn thing won't get past 27mph downhill, and regularly tops out at 22mph.

100 MPG though.
Then your Metropolitan is a POS. Our 1959.....read that again...1959 Honda C100 with a whopping 49cc pushrod will very easily manage 40mph. In fact, my 1964 Honda C110 (with the same 49cc pushrod) I'm building for an attack on a land speed record should exceed 60mph with proper gearing.

I don't own one single bike/scooter that won't go over 40, and several of my 50cc two-strokers exceed 50mph with minimal fuss.

About half my current collection:


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Then your Metropolitan is a POS. Our 1959.....read that again...1959 Honda C100 with a whopping 49cc pushrod will very easily manage 40mph. In fact, my 1964 Honda C110 (with the same 49cc pushrod) I'm building for an attack on a land speed record should exceed 60mph with proper gearing.

I don't own one single bike/scooter that won't go over 40, and several of my 50cc two-strokers exceed 50mph with minimal fuss.

About half my current collection:


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Wow they are in nice shape Chris.Good For You!!
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Then your Metropolitan is a POS
most modern 50cc scooters have limiters (which can be disabled). still, a semi-modern design 4-stroke will never compare to a 2-stroke without any emissions controls, for better or worse.
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