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Old 12-19-2008, 12:46 AM   #1
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2 seasons on my Falken FK-452s resulted in the cord showing on one of them with substantial tread depth on all 3 of the others and even on that corded tire. So that means that I need to replace them this coming spring. I have to admit that I'm happy with the Falkens and don't really think they do anything wrong. That being said, there's no reason not to look for something better as long as I'm buying. My priorities:

1) Cost. They can't cost a lot more than the Falkens, which are currently $80. So max of $90/tire.

2) Wear. They can't wear much faster than the Falkens. Tread ratings are a load of hooey. I drive it like I stole it and would like to get at least 20k miles on the tires. Note that I would easily have gotten 25k on the Falkens, if not more, if that one tire hadn't corded.

3) Feel and precision. I like tires that give you a lot of feedback on what how they're feeling about what I'm asking them to do as well as track straight and have crisp turning feel.

4) Overall grip. I really would like something with more outright grip than the 452s, but I bet I can't get that without sacrificing #1 and #2.

5) Hydroplane resistance. I drive in some strange conditions. The Falkens are good for a summer tire in this category, I'd like tires at least as good as the Falkens.

6) Gravel/dirt performance. Yes, I know this is a crazy one to talk about with a summer tire, however, I drive a lot of gravel and dirt in the summer. The Falkens are just ok in the gravel and pretty good in the dry dirt. I can't go worse than the Falkens in the gravel, sadly. Tires I've tried that are too bad in the gravel: Hankook Ventus RS-2 and Bridgestone Potenza RE070 (stock STi tires).




So that's it, really. Like I said, I actually like the FK-452s. I had the chance to experiment with some stickier tires, though, and the extra grip is certainly tempting. So I figured I can solicit suggestions since I'm going to be in the market anyway.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:29 AM   #2
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resulted in the cord showing on one of them with substantial tread depth on all 3 of the others and even on that corded tire
you have an alignment issue....check toe and possible bent part(s)

try the sumitomo htrzIII
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:49 AM   #3
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you have an alignment issue....check toe and possible bent part(s)
For god's sake Scotty, you should know by now that's the first thing I checked. 0 toe within measurement resolution on the rear, 1/16" toe in at the front.

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Not available in a 205/55R16 according to the Sumitomo website.


Also, you used to be a champion of the 452s, is that still what you're rolling on?
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:25 AM   #4
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^^^^

I think he's running Federal RSR's.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:56 PM   #5
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For god's sake Scotty, you should know by now that's the first thing I checked. 0 toe within measurement resolution on the rear, 1/16" toe in at the front.


Not available in a 205/55R16 according to the Sumitomo website.


Also, you used to be a champion of the 452s, is that still what you're rolling on?
there is no way in hell you should have corded ONE tire out of 4, in one area, with 'substantial tread' left on all 4

you have an issue somewhere that isnt tire related

i suggest that you find and correct the issue sooner rathar than later
as it is IMPOSSIBLE for this to just happen out of the blue.

no as in not---I promise

and you may have to use a 205/50 to get a good performance tire
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:02 PM   #6
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i suggest that you find and correct the issue sooner rathar than later
as it is IMPOSSIBLE for this to just happen out of the blue.
Then 1) why does the alignment measure properly 2) why does it drive properly and 3) why do none of the other sets of tires that get run on this car show any uneven wear whatsoever even with more miles on them than the 452s?

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Hmm... that would suck. We use the stock odo as a failsafe to the rally computer for TSD. If the rolling circumference of the tire changes significantly (and to us, the difference between a 50 and 55 series in this case is significant) we can't do that anymore.
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I wanna see pics of all the tires

i bet your toe is off on one corner and it only takes a little
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:47 PM   #8
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If cost is a major factor, and the three good tires still have "substantial tread depth," then why not pick up one FK-452 and have it shaved to match the other tires' tread?

Also, I'm guessing that you're not considering 225/50R16 tires, which theoretically have the same diameter as 205/50R16 tires, due reasons stated in point 3?
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3) Feel and precision. I like tires that give you a lot of feedback on what how they're feeling about what I'm asking them to do as well as track straight and have crisp turning feel.
Edit: I was thinking you might find more options in the 225/50R16 size, but upon further investigation, that might not be true...and they do usually cost more than 205/55R16.
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:38 PM   #9
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Post up your Alignment specs. What are you using for your Alignment Spec range? If you are going by the "Factory Alignment Specs" they tend to be fairly generous and you could have a tire that is sitting on the edge of the range that is causing your tire wear problem. Whenever you drive the car all the bumps and curbs and everything you drive over can be impacting your alignment, so while you might not have the alignment "Out of Spec" at the moment, if you were to drive the car and put it back on the Alignment rack it could very well be "Out of Spec" at that point.

Best thing to do would be to have a Performance Alignment performed on your vehicle or at LEAST get the shop to have 0.0 toe set on ALL 4 tires.
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Old 12-19-2008, 04:17 PM   #10
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Did you all miss the fact that I already posted the toe specs the car is currently at?

Also, Scotty, can't oblige as I had tires dismounted and trashed to save space when I took them off the car.
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Did you all miss the fact that I already posted the toe specs the car is currently at?

Also, Scotty, can't oblige as I had tires dismounted and trashed to save space when I took them off the car.
OK.....here it is...

Space aliens caused your one tire to cord badly?

Oil prices caused your tire to cord badly?

The Pope caused your tire to cord badly?

The rotation of the earth caused you tire to cord badly?

Pick the correct one and win a stuffed ******

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YOUR ALIGNMENT IS OFF---FIX IT
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:54 PM   #12
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YOUR ALIGNMENT IS OFF---FIX IT
Come prove it. Otherwise, you're full of ****. I'll pull the car into the garage any time you want so you can check the alignment to your satisfaction.
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Come prove it. Otherwise, you're full of ****. I'll pull the car into the garage any time you want so you can check the alignment to your satisfaction.
I'm sure you realize that once a wear pattern has already been devloped into a tire that it will continue to wear down following that pattern.

I don't see it anywhere in here being posted what tire pressures you are running, but it still sounds like only 1 side of the tire was corded and not both sides, which leads back to either an alignment issue or something is bent/damaged/broken. Are you hearing any new sounds or noticing any other problems with your car?
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Nope, for the first time in a long time, the car drives perfectly. Prior to these tires, I had bent parts which I replaced and cured all the issues.

The single biggest reason that I believe it had something to do with this specific tire and not the car in general is that none of the other 11 tires that were run on this car during the same period of time as the 452s exhibit any unusual wear. Additionally, the 452s themselves were rotated every 5k miles (front to back rotation only as they are directional) and the "other" tire from that side of the car doesn't exhibit any unusual wear either.

And 41psi hot, to answer that question.


Also, for nonexistent-christ's sake, I didn't ask why that tire wore oddly. I'm not concerned about that since none of the other tires from the car are wearing oddly. I asked what other tires than the 452s I might want to consider. So far, only Scotty has tried to answer the question actually asked.
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could you post pictures of the wear on your tires? i work at a dealership and have seen a few 452s come in with the shoulder of the tires worn in a weird way. im starting to think it is a build problem with the tires. just curious if your tires are showing the same wear pattern. in the cases i have seen it is not a alignment or suspension issue. im kinda suspicious some 452 have quality issues.

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