Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday September 2, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Warranty Issues & SOA Problems

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
View Poll Results: Do you own/lease a 2009 WRX and have you experienced engine failure?
Yes 47 21.56%
No 171 78.44%
Voters: 218. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-18-2009, 05:55 AM   #101
Garandman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101117
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston
Vehicle:
2009 WRX, 06 OBW 3.0
Tiger 1050, WR250R, TW200

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by smakdown61 View Post
Its all the car makers. Same thing is happening over on the mazda forums with the ms3. One guy just got his warranty voided b/c Mazda NA found his car domain page....I'd be careful where you guys post your cardomain pages on here.
Because of modifications to the drive train?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Garandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 09:33 AM   #102
dboz
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 191302
Join Date: Oct 2008
Default

Amazing that car companies pay people to scan the internet looking for people they can void a warranty on. They must not have much confidence in their product.
dboz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 10:23 AM   #103
AshJWilliams
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189781
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: OH
Vehicle:
2010 Tacoma
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreddin View Post
My wife's 09 purchased 11/18/08 with between 2500 and 3000 miles gave up the ghost on Wednesday night. Had it towed to a dealer other than where purchased(was closest). Yesterday even though they have not even rolled the car into the shop, they provided her with a 08 Tribecca indefinitely.

Same MO as other engines. strange thumping noise from up front, then engine seizure...with no prior warning lights (plenty of lights after it died). The car was broken in as suggested in the manual. The service mgr in Toledo, OH says he has performed one 09 WRX engine swap already! He said if confirmed, turn around time was between 2-3 weeks for a new airfreight shipped engine. The car also had the high rpm "idle" intermittently. Will keep all posted on any developments which is my catharsis....my wife is heartbroken as am I.
Are you kidding about the turnaround time? Trust me, that is great! That way, when it goes through a second motor it will have been in the shop for 30 days this year and you can have the POS rightfully declared a lemon, get your money back, and go buy a vehicle that has been properly engineered and will actually get you from point A to point B.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dboz
This just continues!! NO WAY I am going to buy one of these at this point.
You sure you don't want to buy mine?! LMAO! It was behaving very odd the other day. I get the feeling that if I get on it it's going to let go again...
AshJWilliams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 12:37 PM   #104
smakdown61
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 93797
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Vehicle:
2008 Mazdaspeed 3

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VVG View Post
Because of modifications to the drive train?
Yup. I have no clue how they connected his cardomain page to his real name. I think he had his license plate in a few pics. This seems to be a SOA friendly forum so I'd be pretty cautious on pics, link, mods, etc...
smakdown61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 12:44 PM   #105
dreddin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 200412
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Northwest Ohio
Vehicle:
2009 WRX
WR blue mica

Default 09 Wrx

Quote:
Originally Posted by incongruity View Post
Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Do you happen to know the VIN (leave off the last 3 digits if you want) and build date?
I'll get the vin and build date as soon as I get back to the dealership.
dreddin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 07:18 PM   #106
subaru09
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 192365
Join Date: Oct 2008
Default

this is miserable. was plannin on gettin the 09 in april. hopefully by then it'll be solved.
subaru09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 07:41 PM   #107
Garandman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101117
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston
Vehicle:
2009 WRX, 06 OBW 3.0
Tiger 1050, WR250R, TW200

Default

Of those of you who actually own an 09 WRX, what's the highest number of miles? I have 3,900, not exactly "proof by performance," that there's no further problem.
Garandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 08:08 PM   #108
Aero-
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 196915
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Bellevue, WA
Vehicle:
2009 WRX
Dark Gray

Default

I seem to have spoken too soon. I had voted that I had not experienced this failure. However, I just got my car back today from having the engine replaced under warranty for this exact failure.


VIN: 504xxx
Build Date: 08/08
Mileage: 2400
Aero- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 12:03 AM   #109
cuthang
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 198694
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: westminster,co
Vehicle:
09 WRX
Satin White

Default

the car now 4,300 miles still have no problem im so glad
cuthang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 01:02 AM   #110
saab-on-the-cobb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 116330
Join Date: May 2006
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: 132&Bush I got em at gunpoint
Vehicle:
2005 Ram SRT-10
Sex Silver

Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by incongruity View Post

...calm down...unless all you care about is being "right" ...
Well, you seem to have me figured out.

As for cost, the law is the law.

You can easily take them to Small Claims, and they will have to pay a rep to show-up to fight it. Small claims in my state runs $55 to file a claim up to $3500 USD.

I will not "calm down" when it comes to the spread of misinformation. Sorry.

The way the original claim was worded stated "VOID your warranty," and made it sound as if the entire drivetrain was DOOMED to zero coverage should the owner flash to stageI.

It can easily be argued the stock tune is FAR more harmful than a quality reflash by tuning experts.

A simple printout of the DOZENS of issues, the recall info, and countless failures of non-modded cars would offer all the support an owner needed to file a suit against SOA for breaching the warranty contract.

I've dealt with Saab (GM) on a similar paint issue, and they pissed and moaned for over two months before cutting me a check to have my hood redone.

They claimed "rail dust" caused the paint damage (on a 6-month-old car).

The Saab was supposed to be a luxury vehicle, with quality paint.

All I needed was a stack of posts, printed from owners of the same color cars, and a letter from a body shop stating the paint was "rusting from under the clearcoat" (along with two-dozen calls to GM's customer svc), and the Saab rep had his checkbook out in no time.

Cost to fight them? $4 worth of cell phone calls, and a little anger (which I only feed off of, so, it was lose-lose for GM).

SOTC

Last edited by saab-on-the-cobb; 01-20-2009 at 01:11 AM.
saab-on-the-cobb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 10:45 AM   #111
xitrium
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 200045
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Northern Virginia
Vehicle:
2009 Impreza WRX
Dark Grey Metallic

Default

Hi again,

I've installed the AccessPORT on my car, and I really like it! It's a pretty noticeable difference, and I like the higher redline. Anyways, the 12th, 13th, and 14th digits of my VIN are 804xxx. Why do people put x's for the last three? Should I just say what they are? :-P

I drive my car kind of hard, too. No dropping the clutch, but full throttle happens on the way to work sometimes

I'm hoping that in the (hopefully unlikely) event of an engine failure, I would still be able to boot up the car and reflash the ECU to stock. I've heard that even if the dealer can detect this, they usually fail to and/or don't care. That's my hope, anyway.

Oh, and my car has about 5700 miles on it at the moment. At least 2000 of those are from a minor road trip on highways, not sure if that matters.
xitrium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 11:14 AM   #112
lowrider89
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 143022
Join Date: Mar 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: ft collins, CO
Vehicle:
2005 modded S4

Default

almost ALL dealers now have machines that they hook your car up to... they mostly do this with sports cars only (evo, wrx/sti, ect.) and it tells them how hard and how many times your car has been redlined in its whole life.... all the dealers in my area run this test now when you trade in a wrx or evo... they are becoming strict about it..
lowrider89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 11:16 AM   #113
blackfang
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 131347
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Richmond Va
Vehicle:
2007 Legacy 2.5i SE
98 Z/28, VN 900 custom

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lowrider89 View Post
almost ALL dealers now have machines that they hook your car up to... they mostly do this with sports cars only (evo, wrx/sti, ect.) and it tells them how hard and how many times your car has been redlined in its whole life.... all the dealers in my area run this test now when you trade in a wrx or evo... they are becoming strict about it..

I can tell you Subaru doesn't have this. They can see certain criteria of how the engine/ecu is currently operating, but no little black box.

More tin foil hats anyone?
blackfang is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 12:29 PM   #114
dreddin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 200412
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Northwest Ohio
Vehicle:
2009 WRX
WR blue mica

Have a Nice Day? 09 engine failure

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreddin View Post
I'll get the vin and build date as soon as I get back to the dealership.
VIN:5025XX, don't yet have build date. The dealer says the new engine on the way...should take one day to swap engines & then they will drive vehicle for 50 miles and check levels and tighten anything loose and return it to my wife.
dreddin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2009, 01:29 PM   #115
Garandman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101117
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston
Vehicle:
2009 WRX, 06 OBW 3.0
Tiger 1050, WR250R, TW200

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreddin View Post
VIN:5025XX, don't yet have build date. The dealer says the new engine on the way...should take one day to swap engines & then they will drive vehicle for 50 miles and check levels and tighten anything loose and return it to my wife.
Are they giving you a Gold Plus Warranty? If not, hold out for that, they were more than happy to give it to me since I didn't demand a new car. I learned this from others here.

Last edited by Garandman; 01-20-2009 at 01:55 PM.
Garandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2009, 12:33 AM   #116
incongruity
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 36469
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago, IL
Vehicle:
'08 MS3
(I still miss my 03 WRX)

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saab-on-the-cobb View Post
I will not "calm down" when it comes to the spread of misinformation. Sorry.

The way the original claim was worded stated "VOID your warranty," and made it sound as if the entire drivetrain was DOOMED to zero coverage should the owner flash to stageI.
Really, you read way too much into what I said. I simply said there was a risk and given the higher than normal rate of failures, I myself would wait until at least 10k before using the AP. So, please, don't put words in my mouth or attempt to twist what I said.

But, the fact of the matter is that many dealers and car companies have have tried to go down the route of denying a claim and any subsequent claims for a given component or system and leaving it up to the consumer to fight. (Also, it's not like the auto industry is the only one that does this sort of thing) -- I won't argue with you about this any further than this post because I see this as unproductive and I think I've made my point as plainly as is possible.

My point stands and I wouldn't change any bit of what I've said. Using an AP early on with an '09 WRX, given their engine troubles, you risk a world of trouble and a big fight. BTW, speaking of spreading BS, the small claims limits vary greatly by state. Some are 3k, some are as high as 10k but some are only $1,500 so it's not unreasonable to expect replacing an engine at a dealer would be outside the cost range of small claims court for many reading this thread -- and the way you characterized it may well misinform and confuse someone reading this thread, so please, try to live up to your own standards.

Moreover, once SOA (or any other car company) decides that they will not honor your warranty claims for a given component or system, then EVERY issue you have turns into a fight so those small claims hassles compound and the costs pile up more and more. For me and my '03 WRX that would have been a huge issue because I ended up having a number of powertrain related warranty claims over its lifetime.

Also, for many people going to court costs a day (or more) off of work so even if it's small claims court, it's still lost time and lost productivity.

Indeed, you kinda prove my point:

Quote:
I've dealt with Saab (GM) on a similar paint issue, and they pissed and moaned for over two months before cutting me a check to have my hood redone.
Hmm -- 2 months of fight and inconvenience. Lucky for you that was an issue that didn't get in the way with drivability and normal function of your vehicle. Similarly, repainting a hood is much less expensive than replacing an engine so some people might actually find it hard to front the cash for an engine -- much less a rental car -- while they fight to get it covered. But clearly, you don't see either as an inconvenience.

Quote:
Cost to fight them? $4 worth of cell phone calls, and a little anger (which I only feed off of
As I said above, your cost estimates fail to account for some very real costs, both dollar-wise and time and frustration. So, while you may view it as easy, it ain't for everyone and I was very much so justified in my recommendation for caution. In no way do I see mine as the only possible view, but unlike you, SOTC, I do see it as something that ought to be considered -- particularly when the post I was replying to was asking for advice about using the AP.

So there are clearly issues with the way you present things as well...

And, for the record, yes, I'll grant you that the factory tunes do clearly have a history of being worse than what a Cobb AP stage 1 tune would be, but you and I agreeing on that doesn't make SOA or the dealer agree, so it all ends up back at being right or being covered without a fight.

Last edited by incongruity; 01-21-2009 at 01:35 PM. Reason: cleaned it up a bit.
incongruity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 09:04 PM   #117
06WRXturbo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 157987
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: VA
Vehicle:
2006 TR Sedan
black

Default

this 09 wrx came in with 3K miles on it. Motor was locked up. We found out why when we tore the heads off it:



Two valves were ripped from the heads: note the chunk of piston sitting on top.



Bank 2.

It is being covered under warranty, even though the clutch showed more wear than it should have for 3K miles.

Last edited by 06WRXturbo; 01-24-2009 at 10:27 PM.
06WRXturbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 10:54 PM   #118
dboz
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 191302
Join Date: Oct 2008
Default

WOW. Metal everywhere in there.
dboz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2009, 12:31 AM   #119
Suby Noob
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 60890
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: O-Town
Vehicle:
1994 Toyota Pick-Up
2009 DGM WRX Sedan

Default

So whats the deal? What caused the failure? Is this simply another bearing failing and leaving metal shavings in the engine which leads to it seizing up?
Suby Noob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2009, 10:04 AM   #120
blackfang
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 131347
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Richmond Va
Vehicle:
2007 Legacy 2.5i SE
98 Z/28, VN 900 custom

Default

Just did one for an 09 Forester. First one we have seen regarding a knocking sound. SOA told us not to tear anything down and they shipped us a Longblock.
blackfang is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2009, 11:43 PM   #121
fog hat
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 196426
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: So-Cal
Vehicle:
2009 WRX 5 door
White-ish

Default

It was all just a scary thread until it happened to me!
I was minding my own business doing about 70-75 on the freeway when I lost power suddenly, now it sounds like the YouTube "spun bearing".
Im p!$$ed off ! Sounds like im going to be without my car few a week or three? Thats B/S When its all over im going to have a mutant car with a non numbers matching engine!
Dont get me wrong I didnt buy the car with the intentions of a long term investment, but
I do feel that there is now a diminished value to my vehicle.

If you were in the market for a used WRX and you had two to choose from both same color, same miles which would you choose the car with a factory installed engine or the one installed by the dealership because the original engine failed?
fog hat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2009, 12:15 AM   #122
incongruity
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 36469
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago, IL
Vehicle:
'08 MS3
(I still miss my 03 WRX)

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog hat View Post
It was all just a scary thread until it happened to me!
Can you post your VIN and build date to the other '09 engine failure thread?

Thanks.

-t
incongruity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2009, 12:50 AM   #123
sense of nature
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 112759
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: In the V hole!
Vehicle:
?? pending....
sale....

Default

^^ love that screen name ^^!
sense of nature is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2009, 01:22 PM   #124
kmurph13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 201603
Join Date: Jan 2009
Default

My son's 09 WRX 265 supposedly had the PCV valve stick open in cold weather took all the oil out in no time flat and caused the engine to make a really bad noise. He stopped as quickly as possible, checked the dip stick and found filings. Now thebad part is the service - they have replaced the valve and put oil back in but they did not do an engine oil anaylsis - they've told him he can have it back and that it is covered by warranty anyway. Needless to say he is not too happy. He wants proof that he does not need a new motor. This process has taken them a month of dragging their heels. Needless to say my son is very upset. I feel badly because I have an 04 and kind of talked him into it. I'm looking for any suggestions as to how to best approach the dealship and Subaru Canada about the situation. He has been away working so it's been difficult for him to follow up.

Thanks.
kmurph13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2009, 01:23 PM   #125
kmurph13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 201603
Join Date: Jan 2009
Default 09 wrx 265 engine failures

My son's 09 WRX 265 supposedly had the PCV valve stick open in cold weather took all the oil out in no time flat and caused the engine to make a really bad noise. He stopped as quickly as possible, checked the dip stick and found filings. Now thebad part is the service - they have replaced the valve and put oil back in but they did not do an engine oil anaylsis - they've told him he can have it back and that it is covered by warranty anyway. Needless to say he is not too happy. He wants proof that he does not need a new motor. This process has taken them a month of dragging their heels. Needless to say my son is very upset. I feel badly because I have an 04 and kind of talked him into it. I'm looking for any suggestions as to how to best approach the dealship and Subaru Canada about the situation. He has been away working so it's been difficult for him to follow up.

Thanks.
kmurph13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2009 WRX engine failure VIN/build date owner list Tea cups Warranty Issues & SOA Problems 941 04-04-2014 08:32 PM
2009 wrx engine longblock teamafx Engine/Power/Exhaust 18 05-08-2009 08:42 PM
2008 Wrx Engine Failure deunan General Community 101 03-29-2008 09:47 AM
2008 Wrx Engine Failure deunan Service & Maintenance 1 03-23-2008 10:18 PM
2008 wrx engine failure deunan Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain 1 03-23-2008 10:09 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.