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Old 12-22-2008, 02:06 PM   #1
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Now that most Americans can't be bothered to read a daily newspaper, the little headlines that Yahoo puts up when you're signing in to get your email have become, I suspect, a major news source.

One that caught my eye the other day was to the effect of The Surprising Bestselling Vehicle in the USA—And It's Not a Hybrid or Even a Small Car. Yeah? No kidding. It's the big Ford F-series pickup, with the Chevrolet Silverado pickup right behind it. Just as it's been for years.

The F-series did fall out of its top spot for a few months early this summer, when financial speculation—oh, I'm sorry, Supply & Demand—suddenly sent gas prices to $4 a gallon and beyond. Once fuel prices started drifting back to earth, the F-series once again assumed its position at the top of the best-sellers list, where it has been camped out for more than a decade.

The fact that this is "surprising" news to the mainstream media is yet another depressing indicator of how clueless they are with regard to the U.S. auto market. It's part of the whole notion that the American carmakers' precarious financial position is obviously due to their stubborn insistence on building big trucks that no one wants, when they should have been making economical small cars and hybrids (like the Prius!).

Except the fact is that when gas is $3 a gallon or less, Americans want big trucks. Lots of them. Should U.S. carmakers build more economical models, better small cars, and more hybrids? Sure. But is it surprising that the Ford F-series is America's bestselling vehicle?

Only to those who are completely ignorant of the U.S. car market.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:12 PM   #2
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That's because tons of companies buy them as fleet vehicles. My company for my building alone buys 10 of them at a time. Once we reach about 100k miles(~about 2 years), we sell them and get new ones. Most of the pickups i see are work vehicles in one form or another.

Classify F series pickups for the average american not using them for work, you'll see the F series much lower in the list.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:57 PM   #3
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:42 PM   #4
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Let's not forget that the F-Series is a nice truck and the Prius sucks as a car. The Prius sells amazingly based solely on gas mileage. Imagine what happens when someone builds a good one.
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:46 PM   #5
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Let's not forget that the F-Series is a nice truck and the Prius sucks as a car. The Prius sells amazingly based solely on gas mileage. Imagine what happens when someone builds a good one.
Errr... The Prius is one of the best cars I've ever owned. Better than my WRX, better than my Forester. It's not made for everyone - but the only reason it's as popular as it is is because it is a great car. People who own them love them.
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:15 PM   #6
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Define "car"....4 wheels, 1 motor and maybe a radio? Depends on what you need it for.

A truck or SUV sucks as a "car", which is what many use it for.

Personally, I'd never buy a Prius b/c I value sportyness and the economics of that hybrid do not work out for my situation. I'm also not a hypocrite, environmentally, so I am not interested.

Others value the image and don't mind driving an efficient washing machine. It was originally created, after all, to showcase cleanliness, not fuel efficiency.
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:39 PM   #7
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Errr... The Prius is one of the best cars I've ever owned. Better than my WRX, better than my Forester. It's not made for everyone - but the only reason it's as popular as it is is because it is a great car. People who own them love them.
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Old 12-22-2008, 04:58 PM   #8
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Errr... The Prius is one of the best cars I've ever owned. Better than my WRX, better than my Forester. It's not made for everyone - but the only reason it's as popular as it is is because it is a great car. People who own them love them.
If you like driving around a sofa with no power it's ok I guess. To me it's soft, slow, ugly, and has terrible ergonomics. Honestly it has no redeeming value as a car except for it's good use of interior space and mpg. People like it because it gets good gas mileage, makes you look eco friendly, and you can use them in the car pool in a lot of places. I'm very glad that Toyota makes Prius' and that people buy them because I think hybrids are a great technology, but as a car it's pretty ****ty.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:18 PM   #9
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If you like driving around a sofa with no power it's ok I guess. To me it's soft, slow, ugly, and has terrible ergonomics. Honestly it has no redeeming value as a car except for it's good use of interior space and mpg. People like it because it gets good gas mileage, makes you look eco friendly, and you can use them in the car pool in a lot of places. I'm very glad that Toyota makes Prius' and that people buy them because I think hybrids are a great technology, but as a car it's pretty ****ty.
Do you honestly think Toyota would be selling 200,000 of these a year if they were "****ty"? Have you ever owned a genuinely ****ty car? Give me a break, dude. It's not a performance car, so looking at it from that perspective is pointless.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:10 PM   #10
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:26 PM   #11
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Do you honestly think Toyota would be selling 200,000 of these a year if they were "****ty"? Have you ever owned a genuinely ****ty car? Give me a break, dude. It's not a performance car, so looking at it from that perspective is pointless.
Obviously Toyota can sell 200,000 of them a year while they are ****ty, because they do it. Yes I've owned ****ty cars before, several of them. That doesn't make the Prius not terrible though. It's uncomfortable, the gauges are in a weird spot, the shifter is awkward, steering feel is non-existent, the driving dynamics are terrible. It's just not a good car.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:29 PM   #12
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If you like driving around a sofa with no power it's ok I guess. To me it's soft, slow, ugly, and has terrible ergonomics. Honestly it has no redeeming value as a car except for it's good use of interior space and mpg. People like it because it gets good gas mileage, makes you look eco friendly, and you can use them in the car pool in a lot of places. I'm very glad that Toyota makes Prius' and that people buy them because I think hybrids are a great technology, but as a car it's pretty ****ty.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:33 PM   #13
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A lot of people must not commute, cause a) the Prius is about the same size as an Accord and a Camry inside and similarly priced and b) gets you in the HOV lane.

So if you are going to buy a boring car, the Prius has lot more advantages than being "eco friendly"...and it's a lot faster than a car not in a HOV lane during traffic.
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A lot of people must not commute, cause a) the Prius is about the same size as an Accord and a Camry inside and similarly priced and b) gets you in the HOV lane.

So if you are going to buy a boring car, the Prius has lot more advantages than being "eco friendly"...and it's a lot faster than a car not in a HOV lane during traffic.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:37 PM   #15
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You sure about that? I thought the Prius was most comparable to a Honda Fit in interior dimensions (for passengers at least, I believe the Fit has more cargo capacity). And there's a $6K price difference.
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No, the Prius is waaaay bigger than a Fit on the inside. It's technically a mid-sized sedan, but it has a hatchback, which gives it much more utility (than a sedan, not a Fit).
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No, the Prius is waaaay bigger than a Fit on the inside. It's technically a mid-sized sedan, but it has a hatchback, which gives it much more utility (than a sedan, not a Fit).
Exactly. I'm tired of hearing people play the "people only buy a Prius cause it's eco-friendly". I'm sure people get it because you get more usable space and more features then the comparably equipped version of a four cylinder Accord or Camry. Plus you get the benefit of saving a little money on gas and getting to ride in the HOV lane.
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Old 12-22-2008, 11:39 PM   #18
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I can't believe it. There are 17 posts and no "stupid Americans" comments.

It shouldn't be too shocking that most people quickly forgot about the recent gas craziness and went back to their old habits, or at least as much as the economy has allowed them to.
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Umm, a new Accord and Camry have much more interior room than a new Prius - they are not even close. The Prius does have suprising rear seat leg room, but otherwise it isn't even in the same class, size-wise.
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Old 12-23-2008, 10:52 PM   #21
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I can't believe it. There are 17 posts and no "stupid Americans" comments.

It shouldn't be too shocking that most people quickly forgot about the recent gas craziness and went back to their old habits, or at least as much as the economy has allowed them to.
Well, the F-150 went from selling 900,000+ per year to ~500,000. That 500,000 is probably pretty close to the actual number of people who buy it for utility/construction/work/fleet use, not for personal use. Look at SUV sales; they still haven't recovered, for the very reason that Americans haven't gone back to their old ways yet.
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I dont care if the prius was the fastest car in the world that car is just damm ugly point blank period .
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:43 AM   #23
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I find the Prius "hatch" to be WAY too tiny. The batteries force the floor up. Compare it to a Matrix, and the Matrix has twice the cargo space. The Prius does have more back seat leg room, but the Matrix isn't tiny in that respect. Plus it actually turns, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

As for the HOV, that doesn't fly around here in Boston.

Personally, I have my 45MPG machine (Triumph Legend) and my Turbo nutter AWD wagon (Saabaru), which is a much more fun combo.
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When an ice storm knocked out power to much of New England, one Toyota Prius owner reached for his inverter and powered some of his home with the happy little hybrid. Smug FTW? Yes.

John Sweeney, of Harvard, Massachusetts, was among the many residents of Eastern Mass without power after a big ice storm hit on December 12th. Sweeney, an electrical engineer, saw his Prius as the answer. Using an inverter, he converted the DC power coming out of the car into AC power for his house. Though he couldn't run his entire house one his one car, they were able to get approximately 17 Kilowatt hours of energy. This was enough to power his refrigerator/freezer, television, lights, wood stove fan and accessories for a few days. Although anyone can use a regular DC power supply, like the battery found in a non-Hybrid car, but a hybrid is ideal.


First, the Prius carries a much larger batter pack than a regular car, allowing someone to power more appliances for longer than the conventional AC Delco found in most cars. Second, unlike some backup battery systems found in homes, the Prius, like other cars, can recharge its batteries with its normal internal combustion engine. And here's the best part — because the Prius automatically turns itself on when the batteries drain to a certain level, Sweeney left the car running and it automatically turned over when it needed to recharge — about once every 30 minutes. If you were trying to do what Sweeney did with a non-hybrid, you'd find yourself spending a lot more time outside in the cold. The efficiency of the auto-on feature meant Sweeney only used around five gallons of gas. As with any time you're trying to use your vehicle as a generator, you'll probably want to use a well-ventilated area.


If any of Sweeney's neighbors thought he was smug about his car choice before the storm they must have really hated him when he turned on the television and lights while they huddled for warmth on the hood of their Tahoe
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^ Sounds like he risked getting killed by screwing around with a car that says to not touch anything related to the batteries to power his house.

If I was Toyota, I would void his warranty.
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