HKS type-1 turbo timer install (pics)

BlueRidgeRS · 03-31-2002, 12:55 AM

I know this issue already has a million threads but I couldn't find any good pics of how to make the tt work with the factory alarm and keyless entry when counting down. So I thought it might be helpful for someone who's still confused (like I was) after reading the directions to post some pics.

For step by step instructions I followed Swankmonkey's directions.

First shot is of the alarm module. Cut the grey wire and put a male connector on the end coming from the plug then tape up the other loose end.

BlueRidgeRS · 03-31-2002, 12:58 AM

Next locate the keyless entry module and cut the dark green with black stripe wire. Crimp a male connector on the end coming from the plug and tape the other loose end.

syntrix · 03-31-2002, 01:01 AM

Nicely done! Glad my instructions could help

edit: i added a link back here from the install.

BlueRidgeRS · 03-31-2002, 01:08 AM

Unplug the blue wire from the turbo timer's plug and tape it up.

Plug it all up and have fun!

BlueRidgeRS · 03-31-2002, 01:17 AM

Third step got deleted by mistake

On the side of the tt harness that goes between the ignition plug, splice into the blue accessory wire with a connector that has two wires on it. Put female connectors on the ends of the wires and run one to the alarm module's grey wire and the other to the keyless entry module's dark green/black stripe wire.

nekard · 07-29-2002, 10:56 PM

Help me out please. I dont get it. Why do you unplug the speed sensor wire? I must be missing something. Help me out.

creaquack · 07-29-2002, 11:37 PM

i installed mine too..but i never touched the alarm module..why do u have to cut a wire in the alarm module?

nekard · 07-29-2002, 11:47 PM

Can you lock it and it still run?

syntrix · 07-30-2002, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nekard
Can you lock it and it still run?

yes

nekard · 07-30-2002, 11:37 AM

No no...Can you lock it and it still run if you dont do this modification? And why do you unplug to speed sensor wire?

Judah · 07-30-2002, 11:48 AM

You cut the speed sensor wire to fool the car into thinking that it is not running so that you can arm the alarm (while it is still running).

nekard · 07-30-2002, 11:53 AM

I cut the speed wire and then I cant use the HKS G-tech part of the TT, right? I dont want to loose any of the capibilities of the TT but I will if I cut the speed wire.

CirrusWRX · 07-30-2002, 12:23 PM

that's an interesting point - would like to hear result of this as I was thinking about HKS Type I myself...

Quick WRX · 07-30-2002, 12:34 PM

I have had a HKS TT type 1 for a few months now. I left the blue wire in place and everything works fine. I just cut the greys for the keyless entry.

CirrusWRX · 07-30-2002, 01:06 PM

possibly a really dumb question, but does that mean you no longer have keyless entry?

nekard · 07-31-2002, 03:23 AM

Can anyone please tell me exactly what the grey wire is from the center counsol module and the dark green with black stripe on the other module? I cut both these wires and left them alone. Now my "Security" light flashes all of the time. What do I need to do to stop this?

nekard · 08-03-2002, 02:14 AM

I tapped off the blue accessory and now I cant lock the car with the TT counting down. I ran the 2 wires on to the modules. Did this right? Let me know what else I should try.

tdxflex · 08-03-2002, 02:32 AM

Green/Black wire is keyless entry, grey involves the starter kill.

I kept my speed wire connected, but i put a relay between the center grey wire, using the ignition as a control and my starter kill works when the car is armed. Keyless entry works fine as well. i don't have any pictures yet, but i will get them sometime soon.

Quote:

Originally posted by nekard
Can anyone please tell me exactly what the grey wire is from the center counsol module and the dark green with black stripe on the other module? I cut both these wires and left them alone. Now my "Security" light flashes all of the time. What do I need to do to stop this?

Open the driver door and hold the unlock button for a few seconds, you're in valet mode right now when the security light flashes

nekard · 08-03-2002, 02:37 AM

Please show the relay system that you rigged up. I dont get relays all that much but do have a couple around here. Please do an exact write up what you did with the 2 modules and email it to me or post it. This is very bothersome that this isnt working right yet. My car just wont lock while it is running and this totally defeats the purpose of the thing. Let me know what to do.

tdxflex · 08-03-2002, 03:02 AM

I may not get pictures for a while, so i'll write what i did..
first i should mention i have the factory upgraded alarm, NOT an aftermarket.

i cut the green/black wire and just taped both ends

the 85 terminal went to ground, just scraped some paint and used a ring terminal on a mounting bolt

the 86 terminal went to the green wire in my hks turbo timer harness (it's the ignition wire)

the 87a terminal and the 30 terminal to the ends of the grey wire. doesn't matter which one goes where because you're just opening and closing the circuit. what i did with the relay is just keeping the grey wires together when the key is removed, and separate when the key is in the cylinder.

so when you arm the alarm and a thief brakes in and tries to start the car, even though the key is in, 1 - the grey wires are connected due to the relay, 2 - the alarm is armed which enables the starter kill function. The starter kill function will only work when the grey wires are connected - i'm pretty sure.

i'm pretty sure the explanation is right. But bottom line the relay separates the grey wires while the car is still running so that you can arm the alarm, and then when the car shuts off it connects the grey wires as if you did not change anything. Cutting the green/black wire just lets you lock and unlock your doors at any time.

If anyone finds something wrong in my explanation, please post. i've tested this and have the following results:

car off, alarm armed, attempt to start car with key - car doesn't start
car door open, press the arm button - alarm chirps 3 times
car is timing down, press the arm button, car shuts off - doors remained locked

i couldn't think of any other tests to try since these were the ones people seemed to have problems integrating

edit: another test was staying in the car, tt is counting down, arm the alarm, open door - alarm goes off

CirrusWRX · 08-03-2002, 02:26 PM

thanks for the writeup tdxflex!!!

BlueRidgeRS · 08-03-2002, 09:08 PM

Hi everybody,
Sorry it took so long to reply...I haven't visited the board in awhile. It's also been some time since this install so I might not have all the answers to your questions.

First of all, these directions assume that the HKS wiring harness (part # 4103-RF002) is used as well as the factory alarm and keyless entry module. If you have an aftermarket alarm with keyless entry these steps are useless.

nekard - I think I know why this post seems confusing to you. These steps are performed IN ADDITION to the installation instructions that came with the turbo timer. ProjectWRX has a good walkthrough in the "Mods/Utilities" section. It just so happens that some of the wires in the instructions and in this modification share the same color. You still need to connect the speed sensor wire and rpm signal wire to the appropriate ecu wire. For a great ecu wiring chart go here ECU wiring diagram You'll also need to tap into the parking brake wire per the instructions, you have to look for this one under the carpet when you remove the center console. After all this THEN you perform the steps in this post. If done properly you should be able to use the factory keyless entry and activate the factory alarm while the timer is counting down and the engine is running. Also, all the functions of the turbo timer like 0-60, rpm, and speed display will work.

Hope this helps and I'll keep checking this thread if you have anymore questions.

creaquack · 08-03-2002, 10:10 PM

ive read this thread a good 3 times very carefully and i still do not understand how you trigger the alarm system to be able to set the alarm while the car is still running due to the turbo timer? and if u have to cut a wire, will it effect ur security if you want to later on add an aftermarket security system? please help..

nekard · 08-03-2002, 10:22 PM

The install portion I didnt have a problem with at all. It was the whole alarm situation. I have spliced into the blue accesorry wire and run it to my alarm module and start kill module and I still cant lock the car while it is counting down time with the TT.

CirrusWRX · 08-04-2002, 12:44 PM

Perhaps if somebody could post some additional pics... I am going to be ordering one shortly, so I'm sure once I get under the dash, it will become more apparent...

But here's an interesting note that anybody "in the know" could possibly chime in on.

I was reading the site, and they listed this as the last note (from hksusa.com)

After installation

(1) Reinstall all removed parts back to their original positions.

(2) Reconnect the negative cable onto the battery.

Note: If the vehicles battery is replaced or jumped, unplug the Turbo Timer 3-pin harness to avoid any possible voltage spikes which may damage the Turbo Timer. Reattach the Turbo Timer 3-pin harness after the battery is reconnected.

That concerns me a little bit! I don't drain my battery often, but I know inevitably I'm going to need a jump someday. So that means I need to take a part the dash before I can get a jump or else I might damage my TT??!?!?

any help is greatly appreciated!

08-03-2002, 03:02 AM	#20
tdxflex Scooby Specialist Member#: 13634 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philly Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	I may not get pictures for a while, so i'll write what i did.. first i should mention i have the factory upgraded alarm, NOT an aftermarket. i cut the green/black wire and just taped both ends the 85 terminal went to ground, just scraped some paint and used a ring terminal on a mounting bolt the 86 terminal went to the green wire in my hks turbo timer harness (it's the ignition wire) the 87a terminal and the 30 terminal to the ends of the grey wire. doesn't matter which one goes where because you're just opening and closing the circuit. what i did with the relay is just keeping the grey wires together when the key is removed, and separate when the key is in the cylinder. so when you arm the alarm and a thief brakes in and tries to start the car, even though the key is in, 1 - the grey wires are connected due to the relay, 2 - the alarm is armed which enables the starter kill function. The starter kill function will only work when the grey wires are connected - i'm pretty sure. i'm pretty sure the explanation is right. But bottom line the relay separates the grey wires while the car is still running so that you can arm the alarm, and then when the car shuts off it connects the grey wires as if you did not change anything. Cutting the green/black wire just lets you lock and unlock your doors at any time. If anyone finds something wrong in my explanation, please post. i've tested this and have the following results: car off, alarm armed, attempt to start car with key - car doesn't start car door open, press the arm button - alarm chirps 3 times car is timing down, press the arm button, car shuts off - doors remained locked i couldn't think of any other tests to try since these were the ones people seemed to have problems integrating edit: another test was staying in the car, tt is counting down, arm the alarm, open door - alarm goes off Last edited by tdxflex; 11-21-2002 at 09:09 PM.

08-03-2002, 10:10 PM	#23
creaquack Scooby Newbie Member#: 20992 Join Date: Jul 2002 Vehicle: 2002 impreza wrx black	call me slow.. ive read this thread a good 3 times very carefully and i still do not understand how you trigger the alarm system to be able to set the alarm while the car is still running due to the turbo timer? and if u have to cut a wire, will it effect ur security if you want to later on add an aftermarket security system? please help..

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03-31-2002, 01:01 AM	#3
syntrix Scooby Specialist Member#: 9211 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Las Vegas, NV Vehicle: 2002 wrx wrb swankmonkey.com	Nicely done! Glad my instructions could help edit: i added a link back here from the install.

07-29-2002, 10:56 PM	#6
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	Help me out please. I dont get it. Why do you unplug the speed sensor wire? I must be missing something. Help me out.

07-29-2002, 11:37 PM	#7
creaquack Scooby Newbie Member#: 20992 Join Date: Jul 2002 Vehicle: 2002 impreza wrx black	i installed mine too..but i never touched the alarm module..why do u have to cut a wire in the alarm module?

07-29-2002, 11:47 PM	#8
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	Can you lock it and it still run?

07-30-2002, 11:37 AM	#10
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	No no...Can you lock it and it still run if you dont do this modification? And why do you unplug to speed sensor wire?

07-30-2002, 11:48 AM	#11
Judah Scooby Specialist Member#: 9320 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arvada, coloRADo Vehicle: 2002 Subaru WRX	You cut the speed sensor wire to fool the car into thinking that it is not running so that you can arm the alarm (while it is still running).

07-30-2002, 11:53 AM	#12
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	I cut the speed wire and then I cant use the HKS G-tech part of the TT, right? I dont want to loose any of the capibilities of the TT but I will if I cut the speed wire.

07-30-2002, 12:23 PM	#13
CirrusWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 17439 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 2002 x2 Silver WRX Sedan, White WRX Wagon	that's an interesting point - would like to hear result of this as I was thinking about HKS Type I myself...

07-30-2002, 12:34 PM	#14
Quick WRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 19689 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dana Point Vehicle: 2002 GDA TXS stg 4+ 280 whp	I have had a HKS TT type 1 for a few months now. I left the blue wire in place and everything works fine. I just cut the greys for the keyless entry.

07-30-2002, 01:06 PM	#15
CirrusWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 17439 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 2002 x2 Silver WRX Sedan, White WRX Wagon	possibly a really dumb question, but does that mean you no longer have keyless entry?

07-31-2002, 03:23 AM	#16
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	Can anyone please tell me exactly what the grey wire is from the center counsol module and the dark green with black stripe on the other module? I cut both these wires and left them alone. Now my "Security" light flashes all of the time. What do I need to do to stop this?

08-03-2002, 02:14 AM	#17
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	I tapped off the blue accessory and now I cant lock the car with the TT counting down. I ran the 2 wires on to the modules. Did this right? Let me know what else I should try.

08-03-2002, 02:37 AM	#19
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	Please show the relay system that you rigged up. I dont get relays all that much but do have a couple around here. Please do an exact write up what you did with the 2 modules and email it to me or post it. This is very bothersome that this isnt working right yet. My car just wont lock while it is running and this totally defeats the purpose of the thing. Let me know what to do.

08-03-2002, 02:26 PM	#21
CirrusWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 17439 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 2002 x2 Silver WRX Sedan, White WRX Wagon	thanks for the writeup tdxflex!!!

08-03-2002, 09:08 PM	#22
BlueRidgeRS Scooby Newbie Member#: 1953 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lakeland, Florida Vehicle: 2002 WRX SportWagon Platinum Silver	Hi everybody, Sorry it took so long to reply...I haven't visited the board in awhile. It's also been some time since this install so I might not have all the answers to your questions. First of all, these directions assume that the HKS wiring harness (part # 4103-RF002) is used as well as the factory alarm and keyless entry module. If you have an aftermarket alarm with keyless entry these steps are useless. nekard - I think I know why this post seems confusing to you. These steps are performed IN ADDITION to the installation instructions that came with the turbo timer. ProjectWRX has a good walkthrough in the "Mods/Utilities" section. It just so happens that some of the wires in the instructions and in this modification share the same color. You still need to connect the speed sensor wire and rpm signal wire to the appropriate ecu wire. For a great ecu wiring chart go here ECU wiring diagram You'll also need to tap into the parking brake wire per the instructions, you have to look for this one under the carpet when you remove the center console. After all this THEN you perform the steps in this post. If done properly you should be able to use the factory keyless entry and activate the factory alarm while the timer is counting down and the engine is running. Also, all the functions of the turbo timer like 0-60, rpm, and speed display will work. Hope this helps and I'll keep checking this thread if you have anymore questions.

08-03-2002, 10:22 PM	#24
nekard Scooby Specialist Member#: 12927 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Nashville, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver	The install portion I didnt have a problem with at all. It was the whole alarm situation. I have spliced into the blue accesorry wire and run it to my alarm module and start kill module and I still cant lock the car while it is counting down time with the TT.

08-04-2002, 12:44 PM	#25
CirrusWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 17439 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 2002 x2 Silver WRX Sedan, White WRX Wagon	Perhaps if somebody could post some additional pics... I am going to be ordering one shortly, so I'm sure once I get under the dash, it will become more apparent... But here's an interesting note that anybody "in the know" could possibly chime in on. I was reading the site, and they listed this as the last note (from hksusa.com) After installation (1) Reinstall all removed parts back to their original positions. (2) Reconnect the negative cable onto the battery. Note: If the vehicles battery is replaced or jumped, unplug the Turbo Timer 3-pin harness to avoid any possible voltage spikes which may damage the Turbo Timer. Reattach the Turbo Timer 3-pin harness after the battery is reconnected. That concerns me a little bit! I don't drain my battery often, but I know inevitably I'm going to need a jump someday. So that means I need to take a part the dash before I can get a jump or else I might damage my TT??!?!? any help is greatly appreciated!