ESP-The 2002 WRX Project - Page 6

piknockout · 04-09-2009, 08:47 AM

Sweet, nice you got some of the bugs out. Still waiting in anticipation at the final product and how it does on course.

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mccanixx · 04-09-2009, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasmusson14

Was the MAF visibly dirty? Maybe too much oil in that K&N. Either way, glad you got it and hope the tune goes better this time!

Not so much. It did sit (uncovered) in the garage all winter as I cut, ground, and generally dirtied the place up. K&N is dry.

I'm thinking front o2 but that's what I get for not doing things systematically as I have 0 patience.

wrx wagone · 04-09-2009, 01:37 PM

Glad to hear you're well on the path to getting it sorted out. I'm curious to see how the 800 psi works out.

paintbing · 04-15-2009, 11:42 PM

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mccanixx · 04-17-2009, 07:51 AM

So here's a run down.

Car is back over a Pure Tuning as of last night. Keith's going to work on it over the weekend......spend some more time on the dyno with it.

I have some 6" 12K springs for the front on the way. When I get those I'll move the 7" 14K to the back. That should resolve spring/tire issues. I'm sure the front tires will quickly remove fender liners.

Silverline Automotive, where I got the engine assembly and abs pump from, is supposed to be sending me a 07 wrx abs pump.

Since I won't get the car back till Monday next week is going to be very busy. I still have to get the trailer to the house and give it the once over.

Rasmusson14 · 04-17-2009, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

So here's a run down.

I'm sure the front tires will quickly remove fender liners.

More of your strategorie at work, weight reduction au natural!

Chiketkd · 04-23-2009, 04:05 PM

Thanks for the link to this thread Greg. Just caught up on all I missed over the last couple of months. This car will be awesome. I can't wait to see you in action this season!!!

Storm · 04-23-2009, 05:31 PM

I expect a full report monday morning.......I won't make it out to the chrysler plant to see for myself.....

If your launch control works anything like mine does.....you're going to need a wider helmet to contain the grin!

Jay

mccanixx · 04-23-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm

I expect a full report monday morning.......I won't make it out to the chrysler plant to see for myself.....

If your launch control works anything like mine does.....you're going to need a wider helmet to contain the grin!

Jay

I think the bigger bonus may be we have a full 2 day TNT in Peru. I'll make a good dent in getting it sorted. Even before the season opener.

mccanixx · 04-24-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm

I expect a full report monday morning.......I won't make it out to the chrysler plant to see for myself.....

If your launch control works anything like mine does.....you're going to need a wider helmet to contain the grin!

Jay

You were exactly right Jay. I couldn't contain my smile for the first 12 runs or so. Not because of the LC however.

It's amazing to have to refrain from inducing on throttle oversteer.

Coming from ST* I may have to forget the way I drove and the car set up I used. There are some parallels but the car is very, very different.

First few runs were extremly loose.
Reduce rear air pressure, still loose
Remove some toe out, still loose
Lower ride height, front and rear, by 1/2" We were going to do this, do 3 runs and the add - rear camber. Well unfortunately the only set of tires, the used tires, are now corded.

TNT over.

The only snafu was Jason coming back with the steering wheel 180* off.

I say the only thing it could be is it slipped in the u-joint. I crawled under the car and both the upper and lower bolts were gone from the u-joint.

Luckily I brought a hardware box and had 2 bolts that worked.

Other than that we have a very good baseline and although having all day tomorrow to run it would be extremely useful. We'll just have to deal with it and adjust as we can.

The car performed amazingly overall and I couldn't be more please.
One word............................weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeee

Bring on a dry Lincoln!

wrx wagone · 04-25-2009, 02:40 AM

That does sounds fun! mumble mumble... Stupid street tires... mumble mumble. So far what do you think of the setup? Much does the setup differ from an STX setup?

mccanixx · 04-25-2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrx wagone

That does sounds fun! mumble mumble... Stupid street tires... mumble mumble. So far what do you think of the setup? Much does the setup differ from an STX setup?

I think race tyres are going to be an extremely expensive hobby. I naively thought the tires I bought would last for a 3 day weekend. I guess you could use a brand new set up at a 2 day TNT if you aren't careful.

I ran on the same set of Dunlops april-august last year, all events, with some street driving.

Something to be said for the ST classes.

The car feels quite a bit different from STX. It's pretty torquey and the diffs work very, very nice. I've never driven on r-comps until yesterday and I'm truly stunned by the turn-in and corner speed. The car just has some high speed oversteer and I think adding some - rear camber will tone that done. Rear spring rates may be a bit high, but I'll try the camber first......it's free.

I was spinning yesterday.....maybe the car is to loose.

I should also say that I need to get the ABS fixed this week.....neither Jason or I are very good threshold brakers.

smoke everywhere.

Upsides:
Car is awesome..runs great, sounds great, and I think looks great.
Drove a SS elise yesterday....very fun and a lot of work.....no PS

Get to drive a BSP solstice today....

My LC works

and has since I installed the AP. I just never put the clutch in and floored it until yesterday. It was at 4400 (default) I took it to 5600 and will probably put it back to ~ 4400.

I didn't use the LC but I did launch the car, ONCE, got a little wheel spin and took off. I was thankful enough for that. We'll use the LC next weekend though.

Storm · 04-25-2009, 12:50 PM

Oh yeah....sounds great Greg!!! If the high speed oversteer is the bulk of your issues, you're in good shape!!! The cording could've happened from the no-ABS-smokeshow, so I wouldn't worry too-too much about it. You know you've got the right parts coming to take care of that. The column U joint is just an anomoly....don't let that happen again!!! Loctite FTW!

I also had my LC at 4000rpm and got some wheelspin on the stone impregnated 13's. Once clean and hot, I got a little bogging so I adjusted the rate of clutch release and was able to find a happy medium. I didn't have time to hook up the laptop and bump it to 5000 until afterwards, so I'm planning to throw the big wheels on and do a few practice launches this coming week.

I'm torn between putting the tarmac diff in now, or wait until after Lincoln......

All in all, I'm very pleased to see the progress Greg!

Jay

Chiketkd · 04-25-2009, 01:13 PM

All in all sounds like you had a great first trip out with the car Greg. +1 on what Jay said about the lack-of-ABS contributing to the cording.

mccanixx · 04-27-2009, 07:49 AM

1st event.

I'll give it 4 bananas. Well the rear spring rates need to come down and I've come to terms with that. Through slow speed corners the back end was just bouncing and bucking trying to work but ultimately is just to stiff.

No worries I have softer springs.

Impressions of the car is awesome it seems to do what I want. I, admittedly, am not capable of driving it.................................yet. The abs thing needs resolved quickly. I'm either locking up/releasing or braking early to avoid it. It's could easily be .500 on a 40 second course.

Yesterday course was a pretty open 40 sec course with just a couple pin cones and the rest was pretty brisk. It was dry for everyone.

I had a new set of tires to scrub for lincoln and with a light turn out we were going to do 5 runs. First run I just did ~ 7/10 and came in with what would've been a decent ST* time w/dnf (did I mention the car's loose). 2nd run was ~ 9/10 I spun before the finish lights and was still a second faster than the 1st run. 3rd run I tried to run 10/10 and I had alot of braking errors and a couple driver errors and did my best time of the day, I also had fuel cut.

4th and 5th run I just took people for rides at ~ 8/10 and we giggled and laughed.

I didn't have any gas to put in the car to stop the fuel cut.

In the end I ended up 3rd on index. Usually I don't care and I'm only referencing it for the car's potential........the 2 drivers I was behind are in car's they've been driving for a while.

I also fought with them all last year. index

I got alot of compliments from the course workers.

I took some in car and if I have time this week I'll convert it to digital and post it.

I have alot to do this week before I leave Thursday..........

Storm · 04-27-2009, 08:16 AM

You'll get it sorted!!!!! We may meet up on the way out if you're leaving thursday night.

Jay

Chiketkd · 04-27-2009, 09:22 AM

Awesome result Greg. Coming 3rd in PAX behind Braun and Raglin in your first true event in the car is simply amazing.

Scooby South · 04-28-2009, 03:59 PM

new rims/tires on the way to you sir...courtesy of Phil...

they will leave today for you...

....a 2nd set of meats...is a good thing...congrats on the great result...

Bill

piknockout · 04-28-2009, 04:27 PM

Nice to hear the first test went well! Are you going to be making it out to the DC Pro? If so, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the car in action. Good luck tweaking the setup.

mccanixx · 04-28-2009, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South

new rims/tires on the way to you sir...courtesy of Phil...

they will leave today for you...

....a 2nd set of meats...is a good thing...congrats on the great result...

Bill

Thank you very much for sending them out. Yep you should definetely have a 2nd set of bolognas to tear up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by piknockout

Nice to hear the first test went well! Are you going to be making it out to the DC Pro? If so, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the car in action. Good luck tweaking the setup.

I'm registered for DC and unless something drastic changes I'll be there.

ABS fixed-check
600# rears installed-check
Alignment varified-check
Ready for Lincoln-check

Greg

Rasmusson14 · 04-28-2009, 08:57 PM

Rolled front fenders-check mate

mccanixx · 04-28-2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasmusson14

Rolled front fenders-check mate

Took ride height up a 1/4"

Rasmusson14 · 04-28-2009, 11:16 PM

Pushed or cut?

mccanixx · 05-05-2009, 10:57 AM

So the first national event has came and went. Lincoln NE. pro-solo.

All I can say is the car far exceeded my expectations. 1st place and driving there I had no idea if I'd even be contending.

The car really felt great, the first runs Sat morn. the car was a bit tight through the slow stuff (which was most of the corners/course) and felt good every where else.

Between the morning and afternoon sessions we added a bit of toe-out in the rear and we were going to lower it 1/4" because we didn't appear to be rubbing. When we pulled the rears we realized we were already dangerously close to the spring perches so we said f' it. The toe-out was noticeable on my first afternoon run, I almost spun. With a little less steering input it felt right.

The launches were good we set the LC at 5300 after taking 4 Friday practice starts. I think we were averaging 1.7-1.9 60' for the weekend. The only thing I was babying was the lights as I was leaving a couple tenths there each time. I have a good feeling for the transmissions longevity...it should be on par with a STX car. It's not like we're getting 1.4 60' all of a sudden. There's just the right amount of wheel spin and then off you go.

The LC is a blessing the last 7 seconds at the tree is now mine....it's like all the time in the world to just think about the course, wait for the buzzer, hit throttle, profit.

Still have an issue with CEL after a hot start up, it idles super rich, IDK. We fumbled with the accessport more than once in the staging lane. For one run I actually reset the ecu in the burn-out zone as my shot clock began to count down, car wouldn't start, cycled key, cranked, cycled key, cranked, car started, stumbled into the beams, car stalled with ~ 7 seconds left, car started with 2 seconds left, whew, nail throttle, leave right side, thank goodness for LC. My point is I need to find and fix the issue.

What we found.. car is obviously good. Every run was an adventure, for me, in learning what race tires are actually capable of. The raw times acheived were ~ the limit of myself and the car I felt. I'm sure there are others who could have gone faster in it. The fenders need massaged, shorter shocks for the rear ordered. I have a feeling will only be able to go down another 1/2" because of the 18"s (the fronts are rubbing the tops of the fender liner). It can use another -.5 of camber all the way around as there's just a little too much roll over. We can now dig back in the car for weight.

It was 2933 on the tech scales @ lincoln, not bad.

wrx wagone · 05-05-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

Still have an issue with CEL after a hot start up, it idles super rich, IDK. We fumbled with the accessport more than once in the staging lane. For one run I actually reset the ecu in the burn-out zone as my shot clock began to count down, car wouldn't start, cycled key, cranked, cycled key, cranked, car started, stumbled into the beams, car stalled with ~ 7 seconds left, car started with 2 seconds left, whew, nail throttle, leave right side, thank goodness for LC. My point is I need to find and fix the issue.

Holy carp! That's close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

It was 2933 on the tech scales @ lincoln, not bad.

What was your car in STX trim again?

04-17-2009, 07:51 AM	#130
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2002 WRX Unicorn 2001 Legacy L 2005 XT 5sp	So here's a run down. Car is back over a Pure Tuning as of last night. Keith's going to work on it over the weekend......spend some more time on the dyno with it. I have some 6" 12K springs for the front on the way. When I get those I'll move the 7" 14K to the back. That should resolve spring/tire issues. I'm sure the front tires will quickly remove fender liners. Silverline Automotive, where I got the engine assembly and abs pump from, is supposed to be sending me a 07 wrx abs pump. Since I won't get the car back till Monday next week is going to be very busy. I still have to get the trailer to the house and give it the once over. Last edited by mccanixx; 04-22-2009 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Reversed spring weights

04-28-2009, 03:59 PM	#143
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	new rims/tires on the way to you sir...courtesy of Phil... they will leave today for you.......a 2nd set of meats...is a good thing...congrats on the great result... Bill

05-05-2009, 10:57 AM	#149
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2002 WRX Unicorn 2001 Legacy L 2005 XT 5sp	So the first national event has came and went. Lincoln NE. pro-solo. All I can say is the car far exceeded my expectations. 1st place and driving there I had no idea if I'd even be contending. The car really felt great, the first runs Sat morn. the car was a bit tight through the slow stuff (which was most of the corners/course) and felt good every where else. Between the morning and afternoon sessions we added a bit of toe-out in the rear and we were going to lower it 1/4" because we didn't appear to be rubbing. When we pulled the rears we realized we were already dangerously close to the spring perches so we said f' it. The toe-out was noticeable on my first afternoon run, I almost spun. With a little less steering input it felt right. The launches were good we set the LC at 5300 after taking 4 Friday practice starts. I think we were averaging 1.7-1.9 60' for the weekend. The only thing I was babying was the lights as I was leaving a couple tenths there each time. I have a good feeling for the transmissions longevity...it should be on par with a STX car. It's not like we're getting 1.4 60' all of a sudden. There's just the right amount of wheel spin and then off you go. The LC is a blessing the last 7 seconds at the tree is now mine....it's like all the time in the world to just think about the course, wait for the buzzer, hit throttle, profit. Still have an issue with CEL after a hot start up, it idles super rich, IDK. We fumbled with the accessport more than once in the staging lane. For one run I actually reset the ecu in the burn-out zone as my shot clock began to count down, car wouldn't start, cycled key, cranked, cycled key, cranked, car started, stumbled into the beams, car stalled with ~ 7 seconds left, car started with 2 seconds left, whew, nail throttle, leave right side, thank goodness for LC. My point is I need to find and fix the issue. What we found.. car is obviously good. Every run was an adventure, for me, in learning what race tires are actually capable of. The raw times acheived were ~ the limit of myself and the car I felt. I'm sure there are others who could have gone faster in it. The fenders need massaged, shorter shocks for the rear ordered. I have a feeling will only be able to go down another 1/2" because of the 18"s (the fronts are rubbing the tops of the fender liner). It can use another -.5 of camber all the way around as there's just a little too much roll over. We can now dig back in the car for weight. It was 2933 on the tech scales @ lincoln, not bad. Last edited by mccanixx; 06-24-2009 at 05:37 PM.

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04-09-2009, 08:47 AM	#126
piknockout Scooby Specialist Member#: 192173 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2006 STU prepped STi Sponsored by Agile Auto	Sweet, nice you got some of the bugs out. Still waiting in anticipation at the final product and how it does on course. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-09-2009, 01:37 PM	#128
wrx wagone Scooby Specialist Member#: 97301 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Phillytown, PA Vehicle: 2005 WRX Wag-Tow Rig 95 FM - QRE Invader	Glad to hear you're well on the path to getting it sorted out. I'm curious to see how the 800 psi works out.

04-15-2009, 11:42 PM	#129
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04-23-2009, 04:05 PM	#132
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	Thanks for the link to this thread Greg. Just caught up on all I missed over the last couple of months. This car will be awesome. I can't wait to see you in action this season!!!

04-23-2009, 05:31 PM	#133
Storm Scooby Guru Member#: 5218 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: SAUL'S Motorsports Vehicle: 96L Most Over- Developed Beater	I expect a full report monday morning.......I won't make it out to the chrysler plant to see for myself..... If your launch control works anything like mine does.....you're going to need a wider helmet to contain the grin! Jay

04-25-2009, 02:40 AM	#136
wrx wagone Scooby Specialist Member#: 97301 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Phillytown, PA Vehicle: 2005 WRX Wag-Tow Rig 95 FM - QRE Invader	That does sounds fun! mumble mumble... Stupid street tires... mumble mumble. So far what do you think of the setup? Much does the setup differ from an STX setup?

04-25-2009, 12:50 PM	#138
Storm Scooby Guru Member#: 5218 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: SAUL'S Motorsports Vehicle: 96L Most Over- Developed Beater	Oh yeah....sounds great Greg!!! If the high speed oversteer is the bulk of your issues, you're in good shape!!! The cording could've happened from the no-ABS-smokeshow, so I wouldn't worry too-too much about it. You know you've got the right parts coming to take care of that. The column U joint is just an anomoly....don't let that happen again!!! Loctite FTW! I also had my LC at 4000rpm and got some wheelspin on the stone impregnated 13's. Once clean and hot, I got a little bogging so I adjusted the rate of clutch release and was able to find a happy medium. I didn't have time to hook up the laptop and bump it to 5000 until afterwards, so I'm planning to throw the big wheels on and do a few practice launches this coming week. I'm torn between putting the tarmac diff in now, or wait until after Lincoln...... All in all, I'm very pleased to see the progress Greg! Jay

04-25-2009, 01:13 PM	#139
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	All in all sounds like you had a great first trip out with the car Greg. +1 on what Jay said about the lack-of-ABS contributing to the cording.

04-27-2009, 07:49 AM	#140
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2002 WRX Unicorn 2001 Legacy L 2005 XT 5sp	1st event. I'll give it 4 bananas. Well the rear spring rates need to come down and I've come to terms with that. Through slow speed corners the back end was just bouncing and bucking trying to work but ultimately is just to stiff. No worries I have softer springs. Impressions of the car is awesome it seems to do what I want. I, admittedly, am not capable of driving it.................................yet. The abs thing needs resolved quickly. I'm either locking up/releasing or braking early to avoid it. It's could easily be .500 on a 40 second course. Yesterday course was a pretty open 40 sec course with just a couple pin cones and the rest was pretty brisk. It was dry for everyone. I had a new set of tires to scrub for lincoln and with a light turn out we were going to do 5 runs. First run I just did ~ 7/10 and came in with what would've been a decent ST* time w/dnf (did I mention the car's loose). 2nd run was ~ 9/10 I spun before the finish lights and was still a second faster than the 1st run. 3rd run I tried to run 10/10 and I had alot of braking errors and a couple driver errors and did my best time of the day, I also had fuel cut. 4th and 5th run I just took people for rides at ~ 8/10 and we giggled and laughed. I didn't have any gas to put in the car to stop the fuel cut. In the end I ended up 3rd on index. Usually I don't care and I'm only referencing it for the car's potential........the 2 drivers I was behind are in car's they've been driving for a while. I also fought with them all last year. index I got alot of compliments from the course workers. I took some in car and if I have time this week I'll convert it to digital and post it. I have alot to do this week before I leave Thursday..........

04-27-2009, 08:16 AM	#141
Storm Scooby Guru Member#: 5218 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: SAUL'S Motorsports Vehicle: 96L Most Over- Developed Beater	You'll get it sorted!!!!! We may meet up on the way out if you're leaving thursday night. Jay

04-27-2009, 09:22 AM	#142
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	Awesome result Greg. Coming 3rd in PAX behind Braun and Raglin in your first true event in the car is simply amazing.

04-28-2009, 04:27 PM	#144
piknockout Scooby Specialist Member#: 192173 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2006 STU prepped STi Sponsored by Agile Auto	Nice to hear the first test went well! Are you going to be making it out to the DC Pro? If so, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the car in action. Good luck tweaking the setup.

04-28-2009, 08:57 PM	#146
Rasmusson14 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77658 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Pemberville, Ohio Vehicle: 2004 ej207, ppg dogs 3" green, ITS ALL 4 SALE!	Rolled front fenders-check mate

04-28-2009, 11:16 PM	#148
Rasmusson14 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77658 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Pemberville, Ohio Vehicle: 2004 ej207, ppg dogs 3" green, ITS ALL 4 SALE!	Pushed or cut?