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Old 07-27-2014, 09:04 PM   #1
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ok so i have an 03 wrx with 122k on it. right now i have a cobb sf intake, borla 14978 catback, and cobb ots stage 1 93 oct tune. i am looking to go stage 2.

i plan on putting on a cobb catted dp, walboro fuel pump, and cobb 3 port ebcs. then getting a dyno tune at elite auto works in goshen ny.

my question is does this sound like a good plan (would you suggest different parts?) and has anyone had any experience with elite autoworks in goshen?

any help would be aswesome!
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:49 PM   #2
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Talk to your tuner. This has be covered hundreds of time. I know that is a dick thing to say. Make sure you do a pre-dyno stuff. Compression test, change oil, boost leak test, change plugs. Put 3-port on day of in parking lot.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:50 AM   #3
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Help? Talk to your tuner.

Does this sound like a plan? Sure, much like what thousands have done before you.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:32 AM   #4
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Install DP yourself, run stage 2 tune from AP. Possibly even for a bit... days, weeks.

Then get the EBCS and tune later once all that is functioning. Make sure to do a compression test, vacuum/boost leak tests, and some datalogs on the AP before the final tune.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:23 PM   #5
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the only reason i ask is that the dyno hasnt gone in yet so i cant talk to a tuner yet, not sure yet if they even know who is gonna tune. so obviously i cant talk to a tuner. which makes me a little nervous. only reason im bringing it to elite is that its within a reasonable distance and i dont feel like driving to antother state to get tuned. so im just waiting to talk to a tuner basically. i have heard that gettinig a dyno tune is much better than using ots maps.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:39 PM   #6
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not if they get a tuner who does not know what their doing. just install the downpipe and flash the ots stage2 map for now until you get your tuner figured out
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:45 PM   #7
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i was hoping to get it all done in one shot. im in no rush to put the parts on. im gonna talk to the tuner and make sure he knows his stuff before i get the tune. i suppose i could always flash the stage 2 + ebcs map with the parts im getting. only problem is no one has any experience with that map, either way im taking a risk.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:50 PM   #8
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how much do all those tests cost?
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:52 PM   #9
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how much do all those tests cost?
Call 3 shops and ask. There is no set price across the board.
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:46 PM   #10
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thanks for the help. I have talked to a few e-tuners and 2/3 recomended a fuel pump and 3 port ebcs. originally i was going to just get a downpipe. is the fuel pump and ebcs really all that necessary? im looking for a dependable ride, not just a fast car that is gonna break on me.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:44 PM   #11
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I'm running a full stage 2 with catless up pipe and turbo back exhaust. I haven't upgraded the fuel pump and my tuner has not recommended it. Once I do a turbo upgrade, the pump and injectors and what not will be upgraded, however.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:48 PM   #12
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im gonna talk to the tuner and make sure he knows his stuff before i get the tune. .
How exactly are you gonna find out if he knows his stuff? If you knew more than him, you would be tuning your own car.

Fwiw OTS stage 2 will hold you over nicely for a while.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:03 PM   #13
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How exactly are you gonna find out if he knows his stuff? If you knew more than him, you would be tuning your own car.
thats why im posting lol! but of course ill ask how long hes been tuning and how many subarus hes done yada yada. you can usually tell whose full of ****.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:31 PM   #14
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If you have an Accessport then why aren't you consulting the map notes? They tell you exactly what you need for whatever stage you desire.

IIRC they have even written stage 2 maps for their EBCS. The absolute minimum you need for OTS stage 2 from Cobb is the DP and catless up.

Obviously if you are looking to get protuned, that's a whole different story.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:56 PM   #15
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The stage 2 plus EBcs map has just come out and no one knows if it's reliable or not. But anyway I'm tryin to get pro tuned. No one here has any experience with elite auto works?
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I didn't think you needed a fuel pump until a turbo upgrade(stage 3)....

As far as I knew, "stage 2" is just a downpipe, full exhaust and a tune. I ran my stock turbo with the boost up to 17psi over the stock 13.5 psi without a fuel pump and it ran great all the way to redline.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:18 AM   #17
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ok so i have an 03 wrx with 122k on it. right now i have a cobb sf intake, borla 14978 catback, and cobb ots stage 1 93 oct tune. i am looking to go stage 2.

i plan on putting on a cobb catted dp, walboro fuel pump, and cobb 3 port ebcs. then getting a dyno tune at elite auto works in goshen ny.

my question is does this sound like a good plan (would you suggest different parts?) and has anyone had any experience with elite autoworks in goshen?

any help would be aswesome!
I have a stg 2 05 Wrx with 132k.

I dont think you "need" the fuel pump untill going with larger turbo. I would highly recommend a catless uppipe along with the catted downpipe.

Cobb now offers stage 2+ebcs maps so you can use the Ebcs without a custom tune, or use it for a while until you get a custom tune. Supposedly only the Cobb ebcs works with their maps.

My 05 has Cobb sf intake/box/post maf hose, Perrin turbo inlet, Samco tmic hoses, Cobb catless uppipe, Cobb catted downpipe and Cobb Ap 93 oct stage 2 ots map. I too plan on adding their 3 port ebcs and trying the stage 2+ebcs ots map.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:34 PM   #18
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why the catless up pipe? i heard that the cat breaks down when airflow is increased and gets into the turbo. is this the reason? or is there another reason?
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why the catless up pipe? i heard that the cat breaks down when airflow is increased and gets into the turbo. is this the reason? or is there another reason?
What you heard it true and this is the reason. But more specifically it doesn't break down with increased airflow, it breaks down from time and heat.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:52 PM   #20
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why the catless up pipe? i heard that the cat breaks down when airflow is increased and gets into the turbo. is this the reason? or is there another reason?
That's the primary reason yes, to get rid of the pre-turbo cat and the EGT sensor which I've heard can also break off eventually.

Secondary reason would be a spool decrease with power increase, especially with an aftermarket up pipe.
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