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Old 12-27-2008, 01:14 AM   #1
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Well, I figure now would be a good time to explain some stuff to people who are new to the detailing world and are wasting hundreds of dollars on all these "new" and "different" products. I am hoping this will help a lot of people here to pick the right products and remind people to really keep it simple...as simple as it should be (and yes, this is geared to the home detailer, not the pros). I am not going to go into the technique as there are 5 million other forums on the internet that can do this...

People vastly over complicate the detailing art. I know for me, when I was learning it seemed like such a large hobby to get into. But realize a lot of people do this to keep the weekend warriors out so they can make some money detailing their cars for them.

Wash, Wax, Polish, Sealant, Blah Blah Blah

The process is pretty simple and works the same for about 90% of the cars you'll encounter. You'll need a good claybar (but to be honest, the mothers clay bar you can buy at pep boys does a good enough job for most).

You don't need 48 different polishes, waxes, or anything else. In my opinion, and this is based of off the amount of cars I have detailed in the past, you really only NEED (and this is outside of washing supplies):

- 3 polishes (Heavy, Medium, fine/final polish)
- 1 or 2 types of waxes/ sealants
- 1 orbital polisher (PC or Flex..flex working much faster)
- 1 yellow pad (for your heavy/medium polishes)
- 1 orange pad (for your heavy/medium polishes)
- 1 white pad (for your medium/fine/final polishes)
- 1 gray pad to apply your wax/sealant.

Now, you should also make a point to have certain cleaners depending on your car and preference. These would be wheel cleaners, degreasers, interior protectant, glass cleaners...you know, normal stuff.

Process is usually always the same:
Wash > Clay > wash again > polish > wax

That's it. However, one thing I would like to mention with the polishing is, if you have bad swirls, you will want to try using your orange pad with a heavy/medium polish. If it doesn't work, move to yellow and try (this should work). I have yet to take on a job where it doesn't. But after using these polishes, I work my way down (as some polishes may mar the paint). Meaning you need to go heavy > medium > light/final. If you just use a medium polish, you go medium > light/final. So on and so forth.

Personally, it has never taken me TOO long to finish a full detailing job with great results, but I work fast (and the flex helps A LOT).

products

ALSO, one thing I think a lot of people (hell, new and old) need to realize is how much of a ripoff a lot of detailing products are. A lot of these bottles you buy are just repackaged four star products. They contact the seller, change the color/scent and put their label on it. You would be surprised if you found out what products do this, and how much more YOU are paying for this. I can't get into specifics because I have a lot of friends that work for these companies and would rather not get them in trouble....but really don't be fooled by all these marketing gimmicks. Looking thru some of these detailing sites right now, and I can assure you 50% of what you see is all the same products being relabelled.

Also, please take note of this. All of the shine/clearness you get from a detail is in the polishing process. Not the wax. I can't tell you how many times people will say to me "Your car is so shiney, I need to know what wax you use". Wax is for the most part to seal/protect the hard work done in the polishing process. There is no magic wax that will make your car look better than the next one.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:22 PM   #2
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Very nice write up, Appreciate the time!

One thing though, you say 50% of what you see is all the same products being relabeled, in that case which one product do we go with? Which one do you prefer? Wheres a good place to start?
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Old 12-27-2008, 09:01 PM   #3
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Very nice write up, Appreciate the time!

One thing though, you say 50% of what you see is all the same products being relabeled, in that case which one product do we go with? Which one do you prefer? Wheres a good place to start?

I mean, the majority of them will pretty much do the same..but, for ease of use I would go with poorboys polishes, or if you can swing it, I like Menzerna.

For wax/sealant I use this stuff most people haven't really reviewed or even heard of. It's called duragloss and works pretty much like zaino for a ****load less. You apply a bonding agent then apply the sealant a little bit later.
http://www.autogeek.net/duragloss-po...ing-agent.html

Lasts AT least 3 months for me and continues to bead perfectly.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:05 AM   #4
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ALSO, one thing I think a lot of people (hell, new and old) need to realize is how much of a ripoff a lot of detailing products are. A lot of these bottles you buy are just repackaged four star products.

50% of what you see is all the same products being relabelled.
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This is so true..
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:23 PM   #5
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This is so true..
And many people don't even notice. I went to a friends house and he purchased and was trying out all these "different" polishes. When I told him he had 4 bottles of the same polish...he got a little pissed
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:43 PM   #6
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This deserves a sticky!
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:06 PM   #7
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And many people don't even notice. I went to a friends house and he purchased and was trying out all these "different" polishes. When I told him he had 4 bottles of the same polish...he got a little pissed
At my work, we purchase our detailing products from a company that relabels from another company. It cost more to buy the relabels than the real deal...too bad my boss is ignorant and don't give a ****...I guess the shinny labels do make a difference...for him
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:52 AM   #8
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good info.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:15 AM   #9
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gaveup - which DG product do you use? 105? I've heard great things about it, and I may pick some up next time i need to order something.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:04 PM   #10
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Default Noob who purchased an exterior sealant as a dealer accessory.

I am most likely going to take some heat for this but I purchased a paint sealant option from the dealer when I bought my 09 wrx last week. This is first time a dealer ever offered me something like this and since I do not garage keep my car, I thought it was a good idea at the time. I after reading the forums, maybe not...

I had it applied at the dealership this last Saturday. The good news is that I have never seen a car so shiny in my life. The bad news is that based on what I saw, I think I just paid a few hundred dollars for car wax thinking it was something more substantial or special.

The product is Commodore Coatings Exterior Sealant.
www.commodorecoatings.com

Does anyone know anything about this product? Can I or should I wax over it? The claim is that I should never have to wax my car as long as I keep this product applied.

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Old 01-05-2009, 03:30 PM   #11
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It's probably just a good paint sealant marked up quite a bit on the labor.
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great list, i will use this next time i wax my car
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:47 PM   #13
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For wax/sealant I use this stuff most people haven't really reviewed or even heard of. It's called duragloss and works pretty much like zaino for a ****load less. You apply a bonding agent then apply the sealant a little bit later.
http://www.autogeek.net/duragloss-po...ing-agent.html

Lasts AT least 3 months for me and continues to bead perfectly.
Glad to hear others saying good things about Duragloss. I work at a Honda dealer about 5 miles from BRC(Brothers Research Corp.) and they supply pretty much all of our cleaning products. Hell, they even supply our concentrated windshield washer fluid ha. I recently used the bonding agent on my DD Accord and the water has been beading great for the past month. I use the DD as a test surface before going to the Subie.
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:43 PM   #14
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I used some of the Duragloss sealant on my car before I left for college in September - water's still beading like new.
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Well, I figure now would be a good time to explain some stuff to people who are new to the detailing world and are wasting hundreds of dollars on all these "new" and "different" products. I am hoping this will help a lot of people here to pick the right products and remind people to really keep it simple...as simple as it should be (and yes, this is geared to the home detailer, not the pros). I am not going to go into the technique as there are 5 million other forums on the internet that can do this...

People vastly over complicate the detailing art. I know for me, when I was learning it seemed like such a large hobby to get into. But realize a lot of people do this to keep the weekend warriors out so they can make some money detailing their cars for them.

Wash, Wax, Polish, Sealant, Blah Blah Blah

The process is pretty simple and works the same for about 90% of the cars you'll encounter. You'll need a good claybar (but to be honest, the mothers clay bar you can buy at pep boys does a good enough job for most).

You don't need 48 different polishes, waxes, or anything else. In my opinion, and this is based of off the amount of cars I have detailed in the past, you really only NEED (and this is outside of washing supplies):

- 3 polishes (Heavy, Medium, fine/final polish)
- 1 or 2 types of waxes/ sealants
- 1 orbital polisher (PC or Flex..flex working much faster)
- 1 yellow pad (for your heavy/medium polishes)
- 1 orange pad (for your heavy/medium polishes)
- 1 white pad (for your medium/fine/final polishes)
- 1 gray pad to apply your wax/sealant.

Now, you should also make a point to have certain cleaners depending on your car and preference. These would be wheel cleaners, degreasers, interior protectant, glass cleaners...you know, normal stuff.

Process is usually always the same:
Wash > Clay > wash again > polish > wax

That's it. However, one thing I would like to mention with the polishing is, if you have bad swirls, you will want to try using your orange pad with a heavy/medium polish. If it doesn't work, move to yellow and try (this should work). I have yet to take on a job where it doesn't. But after using these polishes, I work my way down (as some polishes may mar the paint). Meaning you need to go heavy > medium > light/final. If you just use a medium polish, you go medium > light/final. So on and so forth.

Personally, it has never taken me TOO long to finish a full detailing job with great results, but I work fast (and the flex helps A LOT).

products

ALSO, one thing I think a lot of people (hell, new and old) need to realize is how much of a ripoff a lot of detailing products are. A lot of these bottles you buy are just repackaged four star products. They contact the seller, change the color/scent and put their label on it. You would be surprised if you found out what products do this, and how much more YOU are paying for this. I can't get into specifics because I have a lot of friends that work for these companies and would rather not get them in trouble....but really don't be fooled by all these marketing gimmicks. Looking thru some of these detailing sites right now, and I can assure you 50% of what you see is all the same products being relabelled.

Also, please take note of this. All of the shine/clearness you get from a detail is in the polishing process. Not the wax. I can't tell you how many times people will say to me "Your car is so shiney, I need to know what wax you use". Wax is for the most part to seal/protect the hard work done in the polishing process. There is no magic wax that will make your car look better than the next one.
Funny, I tried to tell this to guys on the IWSTI forum and though I was gonna be lynched! Basically was told I was an idiot and yadda, yadda. You (and I) are right about most of those products are close to being the same and come from the same manufacturer. Can you say DuPont? There are no "miracle" ingrediants. They are all using the same stuff! Ah, the power of marketing.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:07 AM   #16
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Problem is people get defensive about detailing and always will say their products they purchased and how they polish/wax are the best. It's all the same.

When I detail someone's car, I always hearsome friends say I am cutting corners, moving too fast, or just plain doing something wrong. At the end of the detail I challenge them to find 1 swirl mark or spot that I missed, and they can't.

People over due detailing because they feel the longer they work at it, the better results they yeild. When it comes to polishing, you really need to learn when the polish as broken down and done it's job. You wipe off and move to the next step.

If the end result is the same, why not cut corners?
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