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Old 12-28-2008, 01:20 PM   #1
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Default Factory Nav vs. Aftermarket - please help me decie

I am looking at an 08 STI with Nav and without Nav. Price diff is almost $2k. Based on my read, it appears that you can get a nice Pioneer unit with bluetooth and ipod (and even rear backup camera) for under $1000.

Aside from the car info and 7" screen on the stock NAV, is it worth paying $2k or getting an aftermarket.

Speaking of stock NAV - what info can you get out of it other than fuel econ, date time?

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Old 12-28-2008, 01:36 PM   #2
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I'd say go to a dealership & play with the OE Nav & see what's in there you like...

the CD, iPod, Nav etc will be on par with anything aftermarket for the same money. Don't let others fool you in believing that the aftermarket Head Unit will sound better by itself. They won't. Its the speakers & amplifiers that make the difference in that category of Head unit. Yes there are better sounding Head Units, but they aren't nav/screen type HU's.

If the OE Subbie Nav unit does all you want, then I would integrate WITH the OE piece & keep the stock appearance & warranty on the HU & add a JL Clean Sweep or Rockford 3Sixty, or Audison Bit1 to add aftermarket stuff after the OE Head Unit.

If you go the aftermarket route with all the adapters, install labor, & such you won't save much... maybe $300 still have the theft worry & minimal warranty on the aftermarket pieces. Also.. when you go OE the COST is part of your payment instead of on the credit card.

Again... that is ALL IF the OE Head Unit does everything you want it to. Look at thoe the OE controls the iPod (if at all), does the OE offer bluetooth? etc... weigh the options that you want & how easy they are too operate while you drive.
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:25 PM   #3
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OE nav almost never holds a candle to anything aftermarket, and is almost ALWAYS more expensive. For $2k you could have the Alpine IVA-W505, with the best picture quality on the planet, the best iPod interface for an in-dash unit, far better sound and power than any OEM unit, and far more functions and features, with money left over for a keg of Corona and some strippers.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:48 PM   #4
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I am not much of an audiophile so factory OEM unit is more than sufficient BUT I am having some trouble locating BBS + Nav. So I'd rather save the $2k, and get the car without a NAV and add an aftermarket unit. I wonder if aftermarket unit can be intergrated into factory speakers without making them sound worse... Does the factory system have a separate amp?
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:05 PM   #5
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I never get any options at the dealership, they're usually rip off and you can buy whole lot better products and better qualities. get aftermarket
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:22 PM   #6
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I am not much of an audiophile so factory OEM unit is more than sufficient BUT I am having some trouble locating BBS + Nav. So I'd rather save the $2k, and get the car without a NAV and add an aftermarket unit. I wonder if aftermarket unit can be intergrated into factory speakers without making them sound worse... Does the factory system have a separate amp?
As mentioned, an aftermarket unit will be better in EVERY way. From price to performance, there's NO reason to go OEM for what you're trying to do.
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:36 AM   #7
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For snots and giggles, I went to my local Subie dealer (Miller Subie in Lumberton, NJ) and asked to see their nav systems. I was curious the way that it interacted and some other things (Does it display the Subie logo on start up? Does it connect with my iPod? How's the navigation?)

For the price ($2700) it definitely wasn't, and isn't, worth it. The interface is very nice, and easy to use, and it does interface with your iPod, which is nice. And yes, it does display the Subaru logo on start-up. And yes, it does show fuel econ, but a nice OBD-II plugin should do that. If you like to keep track of your maintenance by calendar, it will do that too. But, the navigation is most definitely the weakest point. the interface is definitely nice, but if you want to do any traveling across the Mississippi, you'd better have both map DVDs with you, as the maps aren't internal. I didn't watch a DVD on it, but there were 2 DVD slots.

Pros:
HD radio built in
iPod connectivity
Interface is nice
Subie logo on startup (if that's important, it does look nice)

Negatives:
Prohibitively expensive
Navigation maps DVD based

Aftermarket is definitely the way to go. If you do labor and install yourself, it shouldn't be more than $100 more on top of buying the head unit (brackets and wiring harness.)
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I installed a Kenwood DNX-5120 in my '06 STi about a month ago, and I really like it so far. Got it on ebay refurbished for 500 bones, and it arrived packaged and looking like new. The Garmin nav in the unit is great, identical interface to all other Garmin navs. Can play music from and control USB/flash drives, DVD, CD, IPOD(with kenwood ipod cable, about 20 bucks on ebay), and just about anything else you could want to hook up to it, bluetooth, satellite radio, hd radio, etc. The interface is a little clunky and takes some getting used to, but the color scheme/wallpaper is customizable. The colors are actually REALLY customizable, letting you get an exact match to your interior lighting. Also, the installation was about the easiest headunit installation i've ever done, and it fits the opening so perfectly it looks like factory equipment.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:44 AM   #8
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there ya go.. 'Savvy reminded me of something I forgot...... I agree that the Alpine W505 is the best aftermarket option across the board. for the $$ you can't touch it.

Will the aftermarket outperform the OE with JUST a HU swap? Hard to say. One thing I wasn't thinking about when I first posted, is that the non-Navi set up is VERY basic, so again, I agree with 'Savvy... if you save the $2k from the sticker price & invest it in the Alpine W505 ($1,000), the Blackbird portable navi unit($750) or the new hard-drive navi ($300), & a good set of front components ($200) do the install yourself you would be LEAGUES ahead of the $2k OE navi set up. (prices are full retail.. you won't pay near that).. With the same $2K budget, you can get far better front speakers. Leave the rears stock

One thing about the Blackbird portable navi... it looks expensive on paper, but the ability to dock it in the w505 & take it to another vehicle (rental, road trip etc) is VERY cool... I LOVE mine. glad I did it..

there is an arguement for rolling the audio into your payment... but any good dealership can work a deal for a "we owe" receipt with one of their vendors... that way you roll the audio into your payment, you get the aftermarket stuff you want & being from a local authorized dealer, you get full warranty on the audio gear... done deal...
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