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Old 12-30-2008, 01:06 PM   #26
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:10 PM   #27
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^^^ That certainly has more of a nasioc feel to it

Thanks guys. I realize that a lot of people in the car world are polarized when it comes to Jeremy Clrakson... Seems that people either hate him or love him. But none of us can argue against his experience. The guy has driven just about every supercar in production, even some very obscure models. So if he says the ZR-1 is the car of the year, then based on his rather large repertoire of driving experiences to which he can compare, I'd say that his claim probably holds some clout.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:12 PM   #28
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:28 PM   #29
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:30 PM   #30
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The ZR1 is a 599GTB in sweatpants and a tanktop. As bad as I want a 599GTB, I really do want it in it's proper sporty tux. Another more tasteful analogy... 2007 Zinfandel vs. 1997 Barolo.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:33 PM   #31
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clearly you are a gung-ho, yeehaw American. Just admit it and be done with it.
how can you say that when i didnt even vote for sarah palin?
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:23 PM   #32
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What did you think (honest)?
Well, I am not a big fan of Corvettes, but the ZR1 is quite good, great power and a much improved chassis. It rides much better now, and yet still gives the handling. Obviously it's a rocketship. It's amazing how docile the car can be one moment, and then a monster the next, it is a hell of a lot more exciting to drive than the GT-R (even putting speed aside). The finish on the body is beautiful. I can completely see why Clarkson would suggest that is the best car of 08.

That said, it's still a Corvette and still has the Corvette problems which are even less acceptable given that it now has a six figure price tag. Because of the driving position, it feels huge. It still has numb steering. It still has a crappy interior with floppy seats that don't hold you in very well, it still has a Cobalt steering wheel, and despite the addition of leather, the car has a strong smell of glue (it's overwhelmingly bad). Come on GM, the Corvette didn't need to be made faster, it needed to be made to compete with the Europeans on more than just speed alone.
For me, another problem is that it looks just like the rest of the million or so Corvettes out there and only a fanboi like Monaro County would notice that it is special (obviously some people might like this fact, but if I am spending a $100+k on a car, I want it to look special too)

I still think it is a great car, but if it was my money, there are other cars (or combination of cars) I would buy first because TBH I could never even come close to exploiting the performance of this car, so the performance numbers alone are not a big selling point for me


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^^^ That certainly has more of a nasioc feel to it

Thanks guys. I realize that a lot of people in the car world are polarized when it comes to Jeremy Clrakson... Seems that people either hate him or love him. But none of us can argue against his experience. The guy has driven just about every supercar in production, even some very obscure models. So if he says the ZR-1 is the car of the year, then based on his rather large repertoire of driving experiences to which he can compare, I'd say that his claim probably holds some clout.
Certainly true, and his opinions certainly hold more clout than the dimwits on internet forums.
But at the same time, he is prone to exaggerating and Top Gear is not above manipulating the results to fit their agenda

I do tend to agree with him when he reviews cars that I have driven as well

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Old 12-30-2008, 02:35 PM   #33
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I was more surprised they originally picked the Caterham as the car of the year, Clarkson and the gang said they wouldn't be caught dead in on of them, because of course only geek drive them.. If anybody actually watched top gear this season(appears most haven't), you would have seen how much Clarkson enjoyed driving the ZR1 in the USA episode. You would have also seen how much James May initially hated his CTS-V and then fell in love with it. of course you would have laughed at how pathetic Hammond's Challenger.. As far as the GT-R they did love it, but I don't think that was even a consideration for the crew at Top Gear, it's too much machine and not enough man(whilst driving).
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:40 PM   #34
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I saw one on the road this weekend, very good looking and very fast.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:59 PM   #35
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Mopho, very good post. It's really nice to read a seemingly balanced and objective review from somebody who has actually driven what they're reviewing here on nasioc.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:32 PM   #36
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I was more surprised they originally picked the Caterham as the car of the year, Clarkson and the gang said they wouldn't be caught dead in on of them, because of course only geek drive them..
I guess I am a geek then (and so is Clarkson's wife since she owns one too)
It must be a British thing because here in the land of Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, and Porsches known as Los Angeles I am a practically a rock star when I am driving my Caterham. I get chased down for photos and can't really go anywhere without people coming over and asking about it.

The Caterham is so visceral it makes the ZR1 and GT-R feel boring. With exception to an Ariel Atom, nothing I've ever driven comes close to being as exciting or as fun to drive,
That said, I was surprised they picked it too, mainly because it is more akin to a motorcycle than a proper car that you can use on a daily basis



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As far as the GT-R they did love it, but I don't think that was even a consideration for the crew at Top Gear, it's too much machine and not enough man(whilst driving).

here is a more recent review that Clarkson did on the GT-R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMWA1CPKzI

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Old 12-30-2008, 03:37 PM   #37
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Magazine racers exist everywhere.

I am sure you will find someone who could spout off more techno babble about the car you even drive than I would dare to listen to.

I drive a Z06 so I can at least identify with the same interior the ZR1 has. It's not great but it isn't that bad either. I really cannot say I pay attention to it much when I get on it at all. The sound and HUD are more than enough to give me just enough information to focus on driving and have fun.

I really wish they had put the designers who did the new CTS-V interior on the vette. I mean they used the designer of the Bugatti Veyron to work the interior over on the 09 CTS-V and it shows. Amazing compared to previous work by GM. If they get that treatment done on the Corvettes in the future then it will wash away the bad image of low design quality from American cars.

The GTR is an amazing car. Having traded in my STI for my current ride I will admit I miss the AWD aspect. Real car enthusiasts will praise any car for what it is. It really is a matter of picking what you like more than anything.

There are plenty who love the day and age we are in to have the choices we have. It is no longer a matter of what is the fastest car but what will come out next. Get what you like and can afford and be happy with no regrets. I have none with my choice as the deal I got on my car more than makes up for not having awd like the GTR. More importantly I enjoy driving my car - it is my daily driver and not a garage queen.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:50 PM   #38
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:52 PM   #39
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ZR1 = Fasted Lap in the Nur Ring?
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:41 PM   #40
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I was more surprised they originally picked the Caterham as the car of the year, Clarkson and the gang said they wouldn't be caught dead in on of them, because of course only geek drive them.. If anybody actually watched top gear this season(appears most haven't), you would have seen how much Clarkson enjoyed driving the ZR1 in the USA episode. You would have also seen how much James May initially hated his CTS-V and then fell in love with it. of course you would have laughed at how pathetic Hammond's Challenger.. As far as the GT-R they did love it, but I don't think that was even a consideration for the crew at Top Gear, it's too much machine and not enough man(whilst driving).
They gave the Caterham much love when the new R500 model (still ages old design) posted a fifth fasted time ever. It was quite stunning if you missed the footage.


As for the niceness issues on the ZR-1, it's still a Chevy. The Cadillac XLR was the one to take on Merc and Jag. It didn't really deliver, but you can't look to Chevy to make a luxury sports car. That said, Vette seats do suck.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:12 PM   #41
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Look at the demographic for the average Corvette driver. I'd have to say based off of observation that the majority of Corvette drivers I see driving around here are generally middle aged men and a surprizing number of middle aged women. Many of the men are not as skinny as they once were, and a lot of the women don't take it to the track. So the Corvette seats have to fit a wide range of body types.

I have sat in a C5 seat and sure it could have been more supportive, but then larger older men wouldn't fit in them.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:32 PM   #42
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Look at the demographic for the average Corvette driver. I'd have to say based off of observation that the majority of Corvette drivers I see driving around here are generally middle aged men and a surprizing number of middle aged women. Many of the men are not as skinny as they once were, and a lot of the women don't take it to the track. So the Corvette seats have to fit a wide range of body types.

I have sat in a C5 seat and sure it could have been more supportive, but then larger older men wouldn't fit in them.

Many performance cars need to fit a wide range of body types, not just the Corvette.
The problem isn't just that they don't hold you in, it's that the seat itself flexes.
The Seats are the same for the ZR1 because it would have meant having to re-do all the crash tests, but the seats should have been made better in the first place.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:16 PM   #43
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No. The Viper ACR and a couple of exotics are faster.
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Old 12-30-2008, 10:49 PM   #44
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I guess I am a geek then (and so is Clarkson's wife since she owns one too)
It must be a British thing because here in the land of Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, and Porsches known as Los Angeles I am a practically a rock star when I am driving my Caterham. I get chased down for photos and can't really go anywhere without people coming over and asking about it.

The Caterham is so visceral it makes the ZR1 and GT-R feel boring. With exception to an Ariel Atom, nothing I've ever driven comes close to being as exciting or as fun to drive,
That said, I was surprised they picked it too, mainly because it is more akin to a motorcycle than a proper car that you can use on a daily basis
don't get me wrong, one of the best(probably the best this season) laps to watch was the caterham.. and i'd own one in a heartbeat, but I'm just speaking/thinking from the top-gear perspective..
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don't get me wrong, one of the best(probably the best this season) laps to watch was the caterham.. and i'd own one in a heartbeat, but I'm just speaking/thinking from the top-gear perspective..
I knew what you meant
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:36 PM   #46
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Mopho, ur one lucky........^
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Mopho, ur one lucky........^
At times...

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I for one support Jeremy's choice and applaud him for not jumping on the GT-R fan-boy wagon.

I respect the abilities of the GT-R. But fast does not equal fun. Just like in an old BMI video I saw, Keiichi Tsuchiya noted that the newer versions of the Impreza were faster. But he found the old Ver3 STi the most fun compared to newer cars.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:16 PM   #49
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Great posts as usual, Mopho (when can I tag along with u during a shoot? ).

I have sat in most cars you have driven and have to say you are right on the money. Caterham and Ariel Atom are motorcycles with 4 wheels, Vette seats suck (Z06) and GTR is fast but as boring as a G37. So IMO, if I'm quite rich and just want to feel "safer" to track a fast car without hurting my back, GTR will be it. If I had a death wish, Caterham or Ariel Atom. And an Exige S will hopefully be mine in the future.
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