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Old 12-30-2008, 12:40 AM   #1
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I'm looking for a tire that's good for the street and somewhat descent for the track as i am starting to "race" my car my budget is kinda low so for the price range of these tires which one would be better, or would you recommend a different tire...tires are Hankook Ventus R-S2 or Falken Azenis RT-615


(and yes i did post in the tire forum but it wasnt getting any views and i need to make the decision by tomorrow.)
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:48 AM   #2
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Federal RSR or the Hankooks
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:49 AM   #3
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These are good tires for auto-x and such
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....Potenza+RE-01R
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec

I'm going to give the Dunlops a try next spring. My brother runs the Bridgestone and they work well and have good road manners.

I currently run the Kuhmo Ecsta SPT and they have good tread life and can handle the heat of the track well enough.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....odel=Ecsta+SPT
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:54 AM   #4
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These are good tires for auto-x and such
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+R E-01R
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+Sport+ Z1+Star+Spec

I'm going to give the Dunlops a try next spring. My brother runs the Bridgestone and they work well and have good road manners.

I currently run the Kuhmo Ecsta SPT and they have good tread life and can handle the heat of the track well enough.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Ecsta+SPT

so what do you think about the two tires that i checked out? are they bad or good?
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:17 AM   #5
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Azenis RT-615s are "the standard" for a reason. They are cheap, they stick like crazy, and they work pretty well for everything from daily driver to light track work.

In my opinion, ideally, pick up a set of cheap beat up wheels and slap some R compounds on them. Many times you can find someone selling used R compounds in great shape cheap.

Wait for Jack (mod) to reply if he sees this. He is somewhat of a track expert. (hell half what I know about track work came from him)
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:22 AM   #6
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what are/is "R Compounds" im not really an expert at this tire stuff
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:23 AM   #7
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and would those be for the track?
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:27 AM   #8
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"race" compound. Yes, for track or autocross (actually, there are different compounds for both)
They stick like mad, seriously, you cant imagine the stick a set of good r-compounds has.

You know the difference between a balding RE92, and a GOOD tire like the Azenis, or RE01-R? Yeah thats smaller than the difference between a REALLY good street tire, and an R compound.

But they are incredibly soft, they pick up all sorts of debris, so on the street you would likely suffer a lot of flats, well, at least a lot more flats. And they wouldnt last very long, probably in the area of 2500 miles or so. But for a trackday only tire, you can get a full season out of a set unless you are doing multiple events a month, or racing competatively.
This also allows you to run a VERY aggressive brake pad (track only), as you dont have to worry about the corrosive dust that the track brake pads give off. Simply remove the wheels, swap the pads (30min work tops total) and put the street stuff back on for the drive home.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:30 AM   #9
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i personally LOVE the RS2s, having talked to many guys who have tracked using the RT615s and the RS2s... the RS2s are better on the track because they are more consistent as the RT615s get 'greasy' after they are heated up (couple laps).

i've always remembered the hankooks as being cheaper, buttttttt i may not be right
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:31 AM   #10
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"race" compound. Yes, for track or autocross (actually, there are different compounds for both)
They stick like mad, seriously, you cant imagine the stick a set of good r-compounds has.

You know the difference between a balding RE92, and a GOOD tire like the Azenis, or RE01-R? Yeah thats smaller than the difference between a REALLY good street tire, and an R compound.

But they are incredibly soft, they pick up all sorts of debris, so on the street you would likely suffer a lot of flats, well, at least a lot more flats. And they wouldnt last very long, probably in the area of 2500 miles or so. But for a trackday only tire, you can get a full season out of a set unless you are doing multiple events a month, or racing competatively.
This also allows you to run a VERY aggressive brake pad (track only), as you dont have to worry about the corrosive dust that the track brake pads give off. Simply remove the wheels, swap the pads (30min work tops total) and put the street stuff back on for the drive home.
o nice so i should get the Azenis, and then some R-compound tires in time for track season (summer)
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:15 AM   #11
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o nice so i should get the Azenis, and then some R-compound tires in time for track season (summer)
If you are going to do a dedicated set of track tires, you definitely want them on their own dedicated wheels, as you cant daily drive on them. Like I said, they are so sticky that they will likely get punctures on a regular basis out on the street, and they will only make it maybe 2000-2500 miles before being completely shot, down to the cords.

And if you are going to have them, you may as well go with something a little more tame for day to day, as the Azenis is on the far extreme end of the street tire classification. Azenis are far from being an all season tire, so keep that in mind. When you go to a high end tire that is at the edge of being a street tire like that, they get hard and dont stick the same in cold weather, and they are semi noisey. So if you dont HAVE to have an uber aggressive tire for day to day, which if you have a second set of wheels/tires for track days, then you dont need the uber aggressive street tire for day to day. So go with something a little more tame like an RE050 or something of the like.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:17 AM   #12
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Toyo R888.

I know someone that pretty much runs them all year round.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:05 AM   #13
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I would NOT recommend an R-Comp tire for someone that's just starting out doing track days. You want to learn with street tires first, then to R-Comps after you feel you're ready to move to the next step. The audible feedback and more progressive breakaway of a street tire really help during the learning process. I didn't switch to R-Comps until like my 17th track day.

That said, the RS-2 and RT-615 are similar as far as performance. I haven't heard of too many people running the RS-2 on the track, but I'd guess they'd perform about the same as the RT-615, but I do know the RT-615 gets a little "greasy" after they get hot. If you don't overdrive the car and are on top of the tire pressures, they're a good track tire. For someone starting out, i don't think you can go wrong with either.

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Old 12-30-2008, 12:31 PM   #14
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i do live in California so i dont think cold weather would be the problem
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:01 PM   #15
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Kumho MX

I run them on my LGT and on the track since I'm too lazy to put my poor man's type R engine together and into the racecar......and too scared to run the Cobra on the track.

I had mine on my previous Mazda 6 only for track days till I sold that a year ago and then put em on the LGT. I'd say they currently have 5 or 6 track days and probably 20k miles on them. They're barely legal. I'm getting another set of wheels and some more MX's in the spring so I don't have to swap to snow tires at the first hint of rain.

They're cheap and Tire Rack stocks them. When you fill out the online form, under comments, put "Luke is teh awesome" so they know I sent you.

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Old 12-30-2008, 04:41 PM   #16
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the azenis are designed to offer maximum grip (lots of if) when cold. as a result, they are very good autocross tires as the runs are short and time between them is relatively long. the grip actually goes down as they heat up. this is the greasy feeling that some people report when using them on a track. that doesn't mean that they are not still grippy when heated, it is just not their maximum level of grip. other tires are engineered differently.

read the reviews of any of the tires in the extreme performance summer category on tire rack. i agree with mav1c, get some good summer tires and learn on those. they are all pretty close in performance so it comes down to sizing, price, and availability.
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Old 12-31-2008, 10:52 PM   #17
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I had the MX....I like the Federal 595RS much better

The 595RS was the best DD street tire I've used....no vices.....SILENT

Would buy again, no doubt
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I also agree with learning on street tires. This is helpful. I will add, though, the the other-worldly grip offered by a good set of R-compounds *can* change the balance of the car noticeably. You'd think they would simply magnify exactly what the stock tires do (in regards to the car's natural balance), but that's not always the case.

How are the Azeni RT615s in the wet?
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:53 PM   #19
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If you're on a budget the Falken fk452's are pretty good, my bro has them on his car and they grip pretty decent. Not sure how they'd do on the track though.

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