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Old 12-30-2008, 11:29 AM   #1
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Hehe since Ferg was dying for this thread here it is. That's rights boys and girls, the new year is fast approaching. What will 2009 bring, Hayden on a Duc, Rossi repeating again?

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April 26 Japan/Japon Motegi
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September 20 Hungary/Hongrie Lake Balaton
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:31 AM   #2
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Sweet! Thank you sir.

now for news from the suck...

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Kawasaki poised to quit MotoGP

By Simon Strang and Toby Moody Tuesday, December 30th 2008, 13:22 GMT



Kawasaki is poised to withdraw from the MotoGP World Championship with immediate effect, autosport.com has learned.

According to sources, the Japanese manufacturer is set to make an announcement regarding its plans for 2009 on Monday, January 5, when it is expected to confirm details of its withdrawal from the premier motorcycle racing class.

It remains unclear why Kawasaki is quitting, though both the global economic crisis and a lack of results are likely to have been factors in the decision.

The news is a blow to MotoGP's organisers, who will have the number of factory teams reduced to four at a time when the rival World Superbike Championship has gained another two in Aprilia and BMW.

Kawasaki's imminent withdrawal will leave Marco Melandri and John Hopkins without a ride for next season. Melandri had hoped to revive his career with the team after a catastrophic season with the factory Ducati squad in 2008.

"I have to wait and hear some words, as at the moment I hear nothing," Melandri told autosport.com.

"If it is true, then I can only hope that when I wake up on January 1st it is all a nightmare."

Kawasaki returned to the premier MotoGP class in 2003 with bold plans to become regular contenders, but has so far failed to record a victory in the premier class.

The closest the team came were three second places in three years with Randy de Puniet (Motegi 2007), Shinya Nakano (Assen 2006) and Olivier Jacque (Shanghai 2005).

Kawasaki secured big-money signing John Hopkins from Suzuki at the beginning of 2008 and it was hoped that this would trigger an upturn in results. But the American was hampered by injuries and both he and teammate Anthony West struggled with the inconsistent handling of the ZX-RR.

In the end, fifth places for Hopkins (at Estoril) and West (at Brno) were the best the team could manage.

Nevertheless, Kawasaki was set to enter 2009 with optimism, having landed former GP-winner Melandri, alongside the fired-up Hopkins to lead the development of the ZZ-XR in the new one-make tyre era.

Kawasaki's withdrawal will be the fourth time a Japanese manufacturer has pulled out of a major motorsport category in recent weeks. Honda announced in early December that it was quitting Formula One, while Subaru and Suzuki confirmed later in the month that they were stopping their programmes in the World Rally Championship.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:37 AM   #3
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I hope Hayden can show well on the Duck.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:40 AM   #4
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Someone who knows a great deal more about motorcycle racing then me (my mom could be on that very long list of people...) said that sine Nicky and Casey have similar roots in dirt track racing, what they want out of a bike is much closer. Because of this development at Ducati will be more focused then in other teams. True?
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Oh Hopper....why the switch from Suzuki to Kawi in the first place? Sure seemed like a sideways move (at best) to a team that has never really seemed to have the resources or want to throw at it.
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Detailed explanation of the new for 2009 Tire Rules:

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The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of M. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held on 9 December at Barcelona, unanimously decided to introduce various changes to the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations, for the 2009 season.

Some important ones concern the tyre restrictions for MotoGP, during Grand Prix events and official testing. They are as follow :

‘2.9.1 In the MotoGP class, only tyres from the official appointed tyre supplier may be used in a Grand Prix event, including official MotoGP tests.
The official tyre supplier will provide sufficient tyres for all riders entered in the event.
The tyre specifications available at each event will be determined by the tyre supplier. Identical tyres of each specification must be available to every rider, and the allocated quantities of each specification of tyre will be the same for every rider.

2.9.2 On the day prior to the start of official practice, the tyre supplier must provide to the Technical Director details including specifications, quantities and the identification markings of the tyres available for that event.
The Technical Director and staff will allocate the tyres available for the exclusive use of each entered rider (as described in Article 2.9.3). The allocation of individual tyres will be made on a random basis with no involvement of any representative from the tyre supplier, teams or riders.
This allocation should be completed by 12.

00 hrs of the same day and no further allocation of tyres is allowed after 17.00 hrs. on the day prior to the start of official practice (except under Art. 2.9.7 or 2.9.8).
In the case of a rider change after the tyre allocation has been made, the replacement rider must use only the tyres allocated to the original rider.

2.9.3 For Grand Prix race events, each rider will be restricted in the quantity and specification of tyres that they may use at a single race event as follows: During all practice sessions, warm up and the race a maximum of 20 slick tyres, Specifically:
Front slick tyres: 4 of Specification “A” + 4 of Specification “B” = 8 in total
Rear slick tyres: 6 of Specification “A” + 6 of Specification “B” = 12 in total

During all practice sessions, warm up and the race a maximum of 8 wet tyres, Specifically:

Front wet tyres: 4 of the standard specification
Rear wet tyres: 4 of the standard specification

The tyre supplier may allocate 1 extra set (1 front + 1 rear) of wet tyres to every rider, should this be deemed necessary by Race Direction due to weather conditions at the event. Specifically in the case of every practice session being fully wet, requiring the use of wet tyres, 1 extra set of wet tyres will be allocated to every rider for the race.

A wet tyre is defined as a tyre which has a land to sea ratio of at least 20% overall, and a minimum ratio of 7% in each third of the section profile. The tyre may be moulded or hand cut, but each groove must have a minimum depth of three millimetres over 90% of its length. Any tyre with a land to sea ratio of less than 20% will be deemed a slick tyre and therefore must be part of the rider's slick tyre allocation. In case of dispute the decision of the Technical Director will be final.

2.9.4 1) Riders may use only the tyres allocated for his/her exclusive use (as described in Article 2.9.3).
2) Tyres will be individually identified and may not be exchanged between riders, including between team-mates, and may not be exchanged by the tyre supplier after allocation, except with the permission of the Technical Director (for example, under Article 2.9.8).

3) Tyres may not be materially altered in any way after allocation, such as handcutting and any other action or treatment that will alter the tyre's performance (with the exception of the use of tyre warmers), unless deemed necessary by the tyre supplier. Such alterations may be performed only by the tyre supplier, and shall be made equally for all riders.

2.9.5 Each allocated tyre must be marked with it's specification and carry an official identification label with a unique serial number. In the event of damage to or loss of the official label, the tyre company must be able to satisfy the Technical Director as to the tyre's specification. Tyres may be checked for compliance at any time, before or after use.

2.9.6 In the case of an interrupted race, a rider must use tyres from his allocation of marked tyres for the restarted race.

2.9.7 In the unlikely event of a tyre being accidentally damaged before it is used (for example during the fitting process) and deemed to be unusable by the Technical Director, it may be replaced with a tyre of the same specification with the permission of the Technical Director. Such replacement tyres will be marked and included in the allocation of the rider concerned. The damaged tyre will be removed from the allocation and may not be allocated again.

2.9.8 Should an exceptional and unpredictable safety problem arise for the tyre supplier during an event, so as to prevent riders from safely competing in the race, then the tyre supplier must inform the Technical Director and Race Direction of the problem as soon as possible.

A re-allocation of suitable tyres may be made under the supervision of the Technical Director. Such allocated tyres will be the same specification(s) and quantities for all riders, the quantity being determined by the tyre supplier in consultation with the Technical Director.

2.9.9
1) For official Post-Race tests of 1 day duration, each rider will be restricted in the quantity and specification of tyres that they may use at a single test event as follows:
During all practice sessions, a maximum of 8 slick tyres, specifically:

Front slick tyres: 2 of Specification “A” + 2 of Specification “B” = 4 in total
Rear slick tyres: 2 of Specification “A” + 2 of Specification “B” = 4 in total

During all practice sessions, a maximum of 4 wet tyres, specifically:
Front wet tyres: 2 of the standard specification
Rear wet tyres: 2 of the standard specification

2) For official Winter tests of 2 days (or more) duration, each rider will be restricted in the quantity and specification of tyres that they may use at a single test event as follows:
During all practice sessions on Day 1, a maximum of 8 slick tyres, specifically:
Front slick tyres: 2 of Specification “A” + 2 of Specification “B” = 4 in total
Rear slick tyres: 2 of Specification “A” + 2 of Specification “B” = 4 in total

During all practice sessions on each additional day, a maximum of 6 slick tyres, specifically:
Front slick tyres: 3 tyres out of the 2 specifications “A” and “B” = 3 in total
Rear slick tyres: 3 tyres out of the 2 specifications “A” and “B” = 3 in total

During all practice sessions over the 2 (or more) days of the test, a maximum of 4 wet tyres per day, up to a maximum total of 8 wet tyres, specifically:
Front wet tyres: 4 of the standard specification, (maximum of 2 per day)
Rear wet tyres: 4 of the standard specification, (maximum of 2 per day)

3) At any official Post-race or Winter test, the tyre supplier may choose to allocate extra tyre sets with a different specification. Such extra allocation will be determined solely by the tyre supplier.

The same quantity of identical specification tyres will be allocated to at least all permanent MotoGP class riders contracted to factory teams at the test.
When a new specification tyre is to be introduced, the tyre supplier should inform all teams at least two months in advance of the proposed test date for the new specification.'

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Melandri Gets Dear John Letter
kawasaki out of motogp
by dean adams
Tuesday, December 30, 2008

According to sources close to Italian Marco Melandri, he is in possession of a letter from Kawasaki Motorsports President Yoshio Kawamura informing him of Kawasaki's decision to pull out MotoGP effective immediately.

Melandri spent a hard season with the Ducati MotoGP team in 2008 and his salvation was that he was allowed out of his contract in order to join the Kawasaki team.

Presumably American John Hopkins will also be informed that Kawasaki has pulled the plug on their MotoGP team.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:13 PM   #10
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MotoGp is not what it used to be when I worked in it. WSBK has held strong to is roots. Its making a comeback.

Negs of Motogp?
Was promised at start as run what your brung.
Was promised at the start NO restricting rules or a spec tire ....
Rossi... He's killing it. Who wants to race? Who wants to watch?

I'm not surprised kawi was pulling... They will take the devlopement and stick it into WSBK

AMA Superbike is also another Joke.

I'm glad to have worked the years I did in motogp, wsbk, ama. I have fond memories allot of fun... And well it will never be the same again.. for better or for worse.. It big time worse...
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I think the show to watch will be WSBK unless your a Ducati fan. Then motogp might be the place for you. I am a fan, collector and ducati owner and work around them. But I still dont watch the races... Even if I am at the track.
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Rossi... He's killing it. Who wants to race? Who wants to watch?
Past 3 years have had 3 different WRCs

There are at least 5 riders capable of winning races at any time. Yes, Rossi is THE most likely but Stoner, Hayden, Pedrosa, Lorenzo have been up there on a consistent basis.
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Past 3 years have had 3 different WRCs

There are at least 5 riders capable of winning races at any time. Yes, Rossi is THE most likely but Stoner, Hayden, Pedrosa, Lorenzo have been up there on a consistent basis.

I know about whos capable.. I work with them. You guys should see the pitlane politics ...

I still think and feel motogp has lost its flavor. It was surposed to be the unlimted race class. Seems kinda limited now doesnt it?

Its a overpriced WSBK.. Thats all.
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I agree with you on that. Much more "spec" than I would like but I still believe it's a fantastic racing series that produces really good races.
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I'm not so much interested in who wins, rather how they win. Rossi may win more then anyone else but he at least manages to do so in style.
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There are better riding style riders.... Forgot the brits name that loves to slide up the rear tire under throttle.. Crap cant think of his name for the life of me.
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I'm not talking about their riding style as much as their ability to race with style.

Same thing can be applied to Grand Prix drivers...Michael Schumacher may have won more races then Gilles Villeneuve, but you'd be hard pressed to say he did so with more style, flair, or class.
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There are better riding style riders.... Forgot the brits name that loves to slide up the rear tire under throttle.. Crap cant think of his name for the life of me.
You mean the aussie, Gary McCoy?
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There we go.... They all sound alike... lol
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6 pages of goodness from Dennis Noyes:

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ogp-whos-next/

Too long to quote, so just go read it.

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Sucks about Kawasaki.

Can't wait to see MotoGP this year in Sachsenring. Since my buddy works for United $400 RT tickets FTMFW!!!! Gonna try and stick around for a few extra days to hit up Nurburgring.
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I know there has been a lot of talk recently about the new spec tire rule being a bad thing for Moto GP, so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in there.
Personally I think it could be a great thing. Think about how Michelin dominated for so many years, then Bridgestone came along and decided to really throw a solid effort into tire development and look what happened, within just a couple of years, they were able to de-thrown the Michelin boys. Now, obviously there is more too it than that, but ultimately the tire consumers have got a huge benefit from this in the development of the Pilot Power 2CT and the BT-016. Both great tires developed from Moto GP competition. That is one thing that will be lost with the new spec tire rule which means it's not all roses. But with that said, think about the race results that could come from this! How many times have we seen 4 or 5 sometimes 6 guys up in the front pack for 10 laps racing it out? That's the best racing! Then 3 or 4 of the guys tires go away be it from tire choice, riding style, or what have you.... I think what Moto GP needs (and we can see this now in WSBK) is close competition to the flag! A spec tire does not really take away from Moto GP; it simply makes bike development and rider development more important. I think it could be a great thing! Of course I could be way off base and the racing could suck, but I think it will be great!
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Is MotoGP Sustainable?
by dean adams
Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Kawasaki's shock move to pull out of MotoGP effective immediately brings light to an important if not timely question: is MotoGP even sustainable?

With horrible financial news rocking both the US and Japan, racing itself will now come under new focus from corporate accountants as they try to find a plan which will see their company through to the end of the recession. MotoGP's huge costs are not going to be looked upon favorably by these people. MotoGP, with its pneumatic valve engines, massive crews, dreamy electronics and enormous budgets is a good time economy dream. When the economy is good, racing against your rivals in a heavily-watched world championship is favorable for the brand and positive for employee morale.

However, those that live by the sword may one day face it as well. Those same factors that make MotoGP such a global motorsports focal point are the exact ones that may doom it as well. In a boom economy, it's a good thing that you race a hugely-expensive prototype series using machinery that has very little relation to your production machines. It's all glamour and Hollywood, man.

The economy tanks, though, and the fact that your company races a hugely-expensive world championship series using prototype technology—and the effort has a price tag of $10-15 million dollars or more per season—might well be viewed as a liability. It certainly means that more execs will be looking at the MotoGP budget than ever before. And that is rarely good.

Especially in light of MotoGP's rival world championship—World Superbike. The WSBK series features production-based motorcycles and dramatically lower costs. How much lower? It's estimated that Kawasaki could race an entire half-season of WSBK—with a well run team—solely on John Hopkins' MotoGP salary.

Clearly the current economic realities at Kawasaki are shockingly dire. Consider this: Here is a MotoGP team and a big energy drink sponsor. They have 2009 contracts with riders, test riders, crew and others in place, meaning they are committed to paying these people and firms, probably whether they race or not. That known, they now have decided that they would rather pay all of those contracted fixed costs and not race, rather than paying those costs and going racing.

These are truly amazing times. Kawasaki worked for nine months to extract Marco Melandri from his Ducati contract, only for them to shelve the entire team roughly four months before the start of the season.


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