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Old 12-30-2008, 03:03 PM   #1
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Audi is charging ahead with its third-generation A8, set to be unveiled at the Frankfurt auto show in the fall of 2009. Once released, it will battle a slightly face-lifted Mercedes-Benz S-class, expected to be unveiled next spring, and BMW's all-new 2009 7-series.


But unlike the rather conservative 7-series, which backed away from the audacious styling of its predecessor, the next Audi A8 will show a new look and carry the brand forward stylistically.



Audi's chief designer Stefan Sielaff explains: "The first generation was very dogmatic and product-design-like. With the second generation, the theme was 'elegance'—softer, flowing lines. The upcoming third generation will be stronger, sharper, and more precise."



Highlighting the Technology Within

While the design of the current, second-generation car is pleasing to our eyes, you could argue that it doesn’t properly convey the advanced chassis technology under the skin—the A8’s all-aluminum structure is lighter and stronger than those of its steel-intensive competition.



The next A8 continues to use an aluminum space frame and aluminum exterior panels, all of which bring weight down compared to a conventional steel design. Sielaff says that the next-gen Audi A8’s styling will play up that distinction. "It will highlight the aluminum aspect, and it will have a strong three-dimensional theme. In that respect, the next A8 will be the first of a new styling language at Audi. We are entering a new phase with a clear top-down strategy."



The A8 will be futuristic, but it will also have enough chrome to please customers in emerging markets such as Russia and China. There will be both short- and long-wheelbase versions, the latter to be launched in mid-2010. The A8 uses Audi's new modular longitudinal architecture, introduced on the A5, A4, and Q5. Compared to the current A8, the front axle is shifted forward.



The A8 will keep the Quattro all-wheel-drive system, but an entry-level front-wheel-drive version is again possible if the market demands it. In Europe, such a model is currently offered as an especially fuel-efficient alternative. Initial engine offerings will likely include a 4.2-liter gasoline V-8 and a 4.2-liter V-8 turbo-diesel, both equipped with an all-new, ZF-sourced eight-speed automatic (a gearbox which will simultaneously go into the BMW 7-series).



Audi will also offer its 3.0-liter V-6 turbo-diesel, an extremely popular engine in Europe, and the supercharged 3.0-liter V-6 from the A6 and S4. And even though the current W-12 engine is no more than a footnote in the A8's European home market, expect Russia and China to demand a successor of the prestigious powerplant.


Audi could also offer a version of the V-12 turbo-diesel introduced in the Q7, although modifications would be required to fit this big and heavy unit into the A8's engine bay. Expect the supercharged six and the 4.2-liter gas V-8 in U.S.-market A8s. If the W-12 happens, it will almost definitely once again be available to U.S. customers.



We expect the next S8 to become available sometime in late 2010 or early 2011, and it will use the turbocharged V-10 found in the high-performance, Euro-only RS6. It will likely be even more powerful than the RS6, though, which could mean 600 hp—or more.



A Fantastic Interior Gets Better, the Dance Moves Get Sportier

Audi engineers tell us to pay special attention to the interior, which they say represents as much a step forward as does the exterior. A large center screen and a new MMI architecture will be "more innovative" than the current system. We hope Audi won't tinker too much with MMI, a system we’ve always liked.



On the road, we expect the A8 to give the BMW 7-series a fight for the title of sportiest offering in the segment. The A8's all-wheel-drive system will be rear-biased, and it will be available with the same torque-vectoring system ("sport differential") that we found impressive during our drive of the latest S4.
In Europe and China, the current A8 has caught up with the 7-series and S-class in terms of sales and image. With the next generation, Audi may be able to pull off the same trick in North America.
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:04 PM   #2
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kinda pig-nosed. if they lowered the 4 rings about 3 inches lower, it would look 100x better. still looks pretty good.
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Old 12-30-2008, 06:58 PM   #3
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So they talk about the design and styling, then show a hand sketch. I'll wait for a real car to see how it looks.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:10 PM   #4
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has potential..
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:32 PM   #5
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New S8 sounds pretty sweet, but they will find some way to water it down before release - or maybe just strap another 1000 lbs to the roof of the car. The current S8, S6 and RS4 all looked great on paper, but all fell short of expectations upon release. Then twist the knife and offer the RS6 and T-reg V12 TDi only in Europe... not holding my breath.
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that's a darn big grill, still looks pretty good though
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that's a darn big grill, still looks pretty good though
They seem to be locked into that grill.....would have been nice to see a redesign in that area. That said, they are still sexy as hell. I'm sure the final product will not disappoint.
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Inside Story is a review of interior comfort features, cabin controls, storage options, trunk space and under-hood accessibility based on a seven-day evaluation. Do you need a Transporter? Well, Jason Statham is unavailable, and his Audi A8L W12 saloon from the latest Transporter thrill-fest is a little pricey for the press fleet, starting at an MSRP of $166,400. These harsh economic times may require a more sensible choice for the ultimate getaway car; the S8. Both models weigh in at 450 horsepower, though the W12 gets more torque, and more rear leg room for leggy cargo.

Still, it’s hard to ignore an MSRP starting at $127,000 for the S. (As tested: $136,225.) In The Land of Six Figures, the IS code is simple; don’t leave anything out. Let’s find out if they did. (Pricing shown does not include freight, taxes, regional, or promotional incentives.)

The Cockpit/Centre Stack

The familiar Audi multi-function wheel is a $250 upgrade in S8 trim, which includes paddle shifters and a cleverly-hidden heat treat switch on the backside of the lower left-hand spoke. Wipers are rain-sensitive, while the cruise control stalk is found at the 8 PM position. Headlamps can be parked at the full auto detent: a round of applause for the impressive cornering lamps. The driver’s door pod provides full auto panes front and rear, while rear child door locks are controlled electronically from the same pod. Power heated self-dimming exterior mirrors are toggle controlled, with power fold feature, and exterior turn signal indicators, with underbelly puddle lamps. Front door pockets tip out to reveal four memory positions for the driver and front passenger. On the outside of the pockets, the memory function can be disabled, via the red switch. Power trunk and power fuel door release round out the driver’s door panel.



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Dual zone HVAC controls sit above the largest ashtray seen by this scribe in recent years. (It even has an Eject button!) Engine start can be facilitated by the key, or the Engine Start switch to the right of the shifter. The shifter for the six-speed Tiptronic automatic includes a Sport mode, as well as a shifter-specific manual gate, in case your thumbs tire of the paddles. The parking brake is switch-controlled, to the left of the shifter.

Mmmmmm, the MMI, aka Multi-Media Interface dial. It may be still a love-hate affair for some, but after a few dozen testers in recent years, I’m definitely up to ‘like.’ The display screen can be kept hidden, or popped up as preferred. It also provides rear camera views, with guidance markers. Here’s an MMI tip; remember ‘tutorial.’ It’s the key to navigating the available voice functions, be they navi or Bluetooth phone: beats guessing and hearing ‘Pardon?’ over and over.

The voice quality of the MMI electronic guidance mistress needs to be improved. The playback was akin to listening to a first-time caller/long-time listener on talk radio. While you’re in MMI mode, make sure that you stop in for adjustments to the four-corner air suspension. (My fav; Dynamic.) The parking system sensors can be disabled, as well as the Electronic Stability Program, with switches found below the MMI screen.

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Just because the S8 is a bonafide member of The Six Figure Club doesn’t mean that cubbies are verboten. Like the front doors, the rear door pockets pop out for access ease. Remember Stretch Armstrong? These seatback pockets do, with plenty of webbing.

Even with a wad of owner’s literature stowed, there is still reasonable space in the lockable glovebox. This is also home for the 6-CD changer for the Bang & Olufsen $7,800 14-speaker audio upgrade. You’ll also find the Audi Music Interface, specifically designed for iPod connectivity. Twin centre armrests cover an open flock-lined cubby. They can each ratchet into five comfort positions, while still boasting inner storage.

The centre console dual cupholder uses a single spring-loaded cincher for the smaller cavity, with the larger space stepping up to four spring-loaded cinchers. The cupholder biscuit can be removed completely, with a flock-lined cubby remaining. There are two 12-volt DC powerpoints; one below the HVAC controls, and one at the rear of the centre console. A card/coin holder tray slides out from the dash, to the right of the MMI screen. The rear centre pull-down armrest reveals inner storage, as well as a slide-out manual C-clamp dual cupholder.

The Overhead

The frontal upper keypad includes a Homelink transmitter, plus map lights that emit from the underbelly of the auto-dimming rear-view mirror. An Audi mainstay is the Dial-An-Opening system for the moonroof, which uses a plastic composite deflector for the oversized sunshine footprint. Visors can slide for sunblock, and can also slide for your face. A standard view backlit vanity mirror is joined by a close-up mirror that slides over top as required. (Tip: don’t use the close-up mirror first thing in the AM.)


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The rear upper keypad adds a switch for the rear window power screen shade, which can also be controlled by the driver. Unlike some shades, the unit does not auto-retract when the vehicle is placed in reverse, relying on the rear-view camera. It’s a simple fix that should be implemented immediately. Manual shades are incorporated for the side windows.

Seat Treat

There must be 16 ways to adjust your lover, and yourself for that matter, in the front row seats of the S8. Sixteen-way power seats with 4 memory positions can adjust the front thigh support, raise and lower headrest height, even adjust the seatbelt anchors. There is one positioning feature that does involve some manual labour; the articulation of the headrest cushion biscuit for the driver and front passenger. Front seats get six-step heating, while rear cushions get five steps on the dial.

Cargo Embargo


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An important name for the S8 experience is Canadian golf phenom Mike Weir. It’s not just that he owns one; think of all the extra clubs he must cart around for fine-tuning his swing. Like the A8, the S gets a cavernous trunk, with four oversized flip-up cargo tie-down cleats. Dual spring-loaded bag hooks descend from within. The battery is contained on the right-hand wall, while the left-hand panel reveals the access to the DVD navigation drive.

This ain’t no ordinary power trunk; think full-whack SUV. Power release from within raises the trunk lid into position, as does the tap of the outer sensor pad. An inner switch achieves full closure. There would be few reasons to provide folding seatbacks, so the S8 provides an optional ski bag load-through system. Note the safety belt system.

A spring-loaded hook emerges from the cargo floor, keeping it aloft for spare tire access. The S8 hits the streets with 20-inch rims. The spare tire well can only go 18 inches, though it uses an alloy rim with a conventional 18-inch Pirelli P6 skin. The jack is stowed to the right in a proprietary box, with additional tools stored in a drop-down trunk lid panel. Audi will change that spare for you, during the first four years of ownership. Available warranty information did not point to a mileage caveat.

The Mill

Tip: don’t rev the 450-horsepower V10 mill in your parents’ driveway when your Dad is a) too close and b) not expecting it. A weird dance indeed: Audi continues to love burying their powerplants into the front nose cone, though it is surprising how much is accessible, such as the dual intake system and the plug coils. Key fluid fill points are well marked, and easy to access.

The Jekyll/Hyde nature of the V10 is a delight, especially when you realize that everyday Vivaldi-soothed commutes actually return respectable fuel consumption. Fellow CD scribe Haney Louka reported that he was hovering somewhere in the 23 litres per 100 kilometre range, as he made sure that the intake system wasn’t sticking.

Repeatedly. I concentrated on an urban-heavy cycle, resulting in 16.9 litres per 100 kilometres, a shade off the Transport Canada figures of 16.6. Kelly Taylor, my Co-Host on The Roadtrip on CJOB, returned a feather-touch highway run in the low 10’s. The Fed states a Highway consumption rate of 10.8 litres per 100 kilometres.

The Verdict

Unlike with many luxury offerings, Inside Story continues to be impressed by Audi’s refusal to cave on providing the right level of practical features, even at the flagship level. Styling and door pockets can co-exist, and anyone waving a six-figure purchase in front of their significant other these days had better make sure that the kid’s hockey bags fit in the trunk. The slam dunk? quattro all-wheel drive, which tends to come in handy ’round these parts, and an engine that scares your Dad. Priceless.
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The current ]Audi has been on sale since 2003 and since that time has only received a minor facelift to keep it fresh alongside the updated Mercedes Benz S-Class, Lexus LS and new BMW 7-series. The minor styling changes implemented during the recent facelift will have to soldier on for at least another year as the next-generation ‘D4’ A8, according to Audi CEO Rupert Stadler, won’t arrive until the second half of next year as a 2011 model.

Speaking at the car maker's annual meeting earlier this year, Stadler said the new A8 will be “the sportiest luxury sedan in its class" and that it will be unveiled for the first time in late November. Pricing hasn’t been announced but don’t expect much to change from the $74,875 starting price for the current 4.2L V8 model.

Recent reports have speculated that Audi may introduce a new four-cylinder version overseas. While this model will almost certainly miss out on a U.S. launch, a smaller V6 option may be heading Stateside for the first time and this could see the starting price of the range actually fall from current levels.

A prototype for the car has been spotted undergoing cold weather testing on a number of occasions, but always hidden beneath the current D3 body. Tell-tale signs that the prototype was the next-generation model included extended fender flares, a stretched wheelbase and wider track.

As this latest computer generated rendering suggests, the design of the new model will be an evolution of the current car. The aluminum spaceframe body will carry over, saving engineers more than 150kg compared with a conventional steel body. The car’s final curb weight is expected to range from between 3,630lb (1,650kg) and 4,180lb (1,900kg) depending on the model specification. The new rendering diverges somewhat from earlier previews of the car with new air intakes in the front air dam and redesigned LED-edged headlights.

Distinguishing features will be a large single-frame grille, LED daytime running lights and a coupe-like profile. In a previous interview, Audi's chief designer Stefan Sielaff explains: "The first generation was very dogmatic and product-design-like. With the second generation, the theme was 'elegance'—softer, flowing lines. The upcoming third generation will be stronger, sharper, and more precise."

Sielaff also revealed that the new A8 will be “the first of a new styling language at Audi”. In 2008 Audi released several teaser sketches of its future product lineup, including the new D4 A8.

Under the new sheet metal will be an extended version of the modular platform used in the A4, but expect to see more exotic materials such as aluminum and magnesium employed to help save further weight and improve dynamics. The base model will remain FWD but AWD variants will feature the latest quattro torque vectoring SportDifferential, which distributes drive individually between each axle and between the rear wheels for improved traction and stability. There will also be electronic control for the air-suspension, steering, pedal response and transmission systems.

The aforementioned four-cylinder engine will output around 230hp (172kW). Filling out the rest of the engine range will be a 250hp (186kW) 3.0L V6 TDI, a 290hp (216kW) 3.0L V6 FSI, a 340hp (253kW) 4.2L V8 TDI, a 372hp (277kW) 4.2L V8 FSI and finally a 620hp (462kW) 5.0L V10 FSI reserved for the S8. A 12-cyclinder engine is also expected to be offered but it could be phased out due to low demand and the all-important emissions regulations
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A four cylinder A8??? That would be like offering a 4 cylinder S class. Rediculous!
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I've always loved the S8s. I mean it's ridiculously large, but if a guy had to buy a luxo-barge to go on a huge road trip in, that may just be the one. I smile every time I see one. The last time was a few months ago, saw some dude driving a gold one... he looked for all the world like Santa Claus. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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"620hp (462kW) 5.0L V10 FSI reserved for the S8"

Any confirmation on this?!?! Would be sweet - also...

"The car’s final curb weight is expected to range from between 3,630lb (1,650kg) and 4,180lb (1,900kg) depending on the model specification."

That's relatively light for the size and AWD. Similar weight to the M5 but with 120 more HP from the same displacement V10 and AWD. Bring it on!
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Thats damned light for a car its size with AWD, a big motor, and lots of luxury.

Hello, Detroit....Are You Listening?!
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Thats damned light for a car its size with AWD, a big motor, and lots of luxury.

Hello, Detroit....Are You Listening?!
It's much easier to build a car that light with AWD, big motor and lots of luxury when you sell it for $74k to start (2009 A8 base price). It's not so easy when you need to do it at a $29k starting point (2010 Taurus SEL AWD base price).

Lightweight materials aren't cheap, and the engineering to implement them and still pass crash tests isn't either. When you can use a heavier and less complicated piece to accomplish the same goal it's going to be a lot cheaper. That's the route Ford, VW, GM, Subaru, Toyota, and pretty much all of the "people's car" manufacturers take. Even Audi does it in their A3 and A4 cars which are frequently referred to as overweight "pigs."
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Nope.
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IIRC the A8 is the only mainstream car produced with so much aluminum. Its more expensive and harder to work with than steel, and harder to fix after a crash.
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