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Old 12-30-2008, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Car Stolen in Bellevue - Recovered with Theft suspect in car

So my friend's family had their car stolen next to their apartment in Bellevue. It was stolen for the second time within 1 week. (1996 Toyota Landcruiser). The first theft it ended up in Auburn full of mud and with the CAT halfway cut-through & battery missing + misc goodies inside (Toyota CAT = $, and maybe a bit' rally-x?). Then about 5 days later the car was stolen again. Just last week it was recovered and put in the Bellevue PD Lab for finger printing, etc (this was not done the first time as the Bellevue P.D. insisted it was not worth their time and that they never catch the criminals... now add in impound fee's, repair costs, replacement RayBan's, snowboard gear, etc).

On the second theft the story we have so far (picking up the car tomorrow) is that it was spotted in Bellevue and the cops decided to put a watch on it to see if anyone would show up... No one does, but 30 minutes after the cops have left to send someone to pick up the car it's gone.... Apparently it's spotted again at another location (unknown to me, could have been someones house)... and they put another watch on it... this time the suspect jumps in the car and attempts to drive away... suspect caught and taken in for questioning.

So apparently they talked with detective on the case and they told my friend that they had the suspect in questioning for 3 hours to try and force a confession... which was unsuccessful.

The suspect claims he borrowed the car, not knowing it was stolen, from a girl friend of his.... The detective then tells me car thieves with this story are most commonly able to get out of prosecution charges (because our laws for car thieves are total bull****)... However, the suspect in the car was driving it without a key which the detective said was the only piece of evidence keeping the suspect in plausible charges...

Now I have no idea whether the suspect is still in jail, or if they let him out... the detective didn't say.

Is it true that car thieves can just use this bull**** story to get off scott free? A suspect driving the damn car without a key isn't strong enough evidence? Apparently this cop didn't think it would fly in court, and that the evidence they've sent in (for approval?) may be rejected....

Anyone else had or know of someone with a similar experience?
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:11 PM   #2
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They should still charge him with possession of stolen property (PSP), it does not matter if they can prove they were the individual who had stolen the vehicle, or any item for that matter. He was in physical possession of a stolen item and if he can't provide definitive proof that he had no idea it was stolen in our system that is probable cause to make an arrest, especially since the ignition had been tampered with. That charge would not carry as long of a sentence as the actual theft but it would put them in jail for a little while. More than likely they would bail out since car thieves rarely run alone and one of his buddies would want him out so they could keep taking cars. But it would give him a court date that if he blew off would turn into a warrant.
Either he doesn't want to do the paperwork, he has more information than you are getting, or he has had similar cases dropped in court and doesn't think it is worth the time.
I would like to see thieves thrown in jail for a lot longer than they are. They have shown that most thefts in some way involve illegal drugs, mostly meth in our area. It's too bad that our jails are too small, understaffed, overcrowded, and under funded to keep them in there longer. Ah maybe some day.
I hope everything works out for the owner.
Maybe you could make some money off that rig, it seems to be a magnet for thieves. Put a camera and a GPS locator on that thing and go into business with the fuzz.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:14 PM   #3
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thank god for car alarms and 9mm's
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:33 AM   #4
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That's an easy possession of stolen property arrest. There's probable cause to the core, and unless you get a completely stupid jury, driving a car around that "you borrowed from your girlfriend" without a key should meet the beyond a reasonable doubt burden of proof. Arrest him, throw him in jail, and let him prove that he didn't know it was stolen.

So defendent X, is it true you believed the vehicle you were driving belonged to your girlfriend?

So defendent X, how long have you been dating your girlfriend?

So defendent X, you didn't find it strange when your girlfriend suddenly had a new car you had never seen during your X long relationship and allowed you to borrow it?

And defendent X, you didn't find it strange to operate the suddenly acquired and borrowed vehicle without a key?

Who the hell would buy that?

I must say, Bellevue PD was a bit negligent in letting the vehicle roll after they had it unoccupied. An unmarked and a Piranha would have been a better way to handle the situation.

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thank god for car alarms and 9mm's
Hey now, there are enough retards in this world giving gun owners a bad name, we don't need to shoot anyone over a stolen piece of property.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:49 AM   #5
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I'm glad your friend got the car back. Hopefully the grief of getting the guy who stole it isn't to stressing.

Anyway, it ticks me off that the police have plenty of time to catch you driving at night without a seatbelt; especially since they need to spend money on night vision goggles to do it. As well as other totally stupid wastes of time and resources. And then they tell you they don't have time to investigate a major felony like car theft.

Rant over. Sorryto hi-jack the thread.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:54 AM   #6
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Whose decision is it to press charges or not? If it was my car and my decision, I'd want that guy in court. If it's up to the cops, I'd still be badgering them.

And the girlfriend too - see if she decides to lie (and become a suspect herself) vs. let the bastard burn.

Also, it might be useful to find out where he lives, periodically swing by and call the police with the plates of any cars in the driveway, see what else turns up.
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:02 AM   #7
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Also, it might be useful to find out where he lives, periodically swing by and call the police with the plates of any cars in the driveway, see what else turns up.
Whether or not the Police give out the name of the "innocent until proven guilty" I don't know... They should find out additional details when they go to pick up the car tomorrow morning.
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:21 AM   #8
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they may not be able to prove theft of the vehicle
but they can press charges if they wish for possession of/accepting stolen property

thieves.... scum of the earth.
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:45 AM   #9
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Dang devian thats a bummer man. Hopefully someone gets popped for this. Surprised that all this is taking place in Bellevue. Hope things work out man
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Old 12-31-2008, 11:04 AM   #10
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My bosses mother in-aw had her 1994 Camery stolen twice in one month, both times recovered, apparently mid-90 Toyotas are easy pray for the beginner car thief. I think I'd sell the Landcruiser or buy a pitbull and put it inside.
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Old 12-31-2008, 11:13 AM   #11
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My bosses mother in-aw had her 1994 Camery stolen twice in one month, both times recovered, apparently mid-90 Toyotas are easy pray for the beginner car thief. I think I'd sell the Landcruiser or buy a pitbull and put it inside.
Camrys and accords at one time were like the #1 stolen car. Oddly enough, I havent heard of anyone getting their WRX or STI stolen. Only broken into. Anyways though ya a pitbull or a Bobcat would make for a great watch animal . Just make sure to feed the Bobcat LOTS OF meat. They especially love yipper dogs.
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:13 PM   #12
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So they got the full names of the thieves (the head of their retarded meth head car stealing operation, and the white guy thief/girlfriend themselves) and they even provided the appartment complex address (minus the Appt #)... more to come.
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:33 PM   #13
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^ Meth heads of course. Thats such a nasty drug
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You down with OPP? Yeah, you know me.
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Old 12-31-2008, 06:43 PM   #15
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they should not accept that excuse unless they arrest the friend and they say its true. One of them the person in the car or the supposed friend should get the charge.
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Anyway, it ticks me off that the police have plenty of time to catch you driving at night without a seatbelt; especially since they need to spend money on night vision goggles to do it. As well as other totally stupid wastes of time and resources. And then they tell you they don't have time to investigate a major felony like car theft.

Rant over. Sorryto hi-jack the thread.
There's a difference between a patrol officer and a detective. And a stolen car is not a major felony.

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Whose decision is it to press charges or not?
Technically, prosecutors. Officers make arrests. It's not uncommon for charges not to be pursued after arrests are made.

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If it was my car and my decision, I'd want that guy in court. If it's up to the cops, I'd still be badgering them.
Problem is, prosecutors and the police need to prove to a jury that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt to get a conviction. All kinds of good cases get thrown out of court or defendants are found innocent because of stupid juries.

Point is, you can badger all you want, but if you're not bringing evidence to the table you might just be blowing hot air.

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And the girlfriend too - see if she decides to lie (and become a suspect herself) vs. let the bastard burn.
What if he pleads the fifth and never gives the girlfriend up (if there even is one)


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Brewpub had his stolen from the 16 cinemas in Tacoma
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That's an easy possession of stolen property arrest. There's probable cause to the core, and unless you get a completely stupid jury, driving a car around that "you borrowed from your girlfriend" without a key should meet the beyond a reasonable doubt burden of proof. Arrest him, throw him in jail, and let him prove that he didn't know it was stolen.

So defendent X, is it true you believed the vehicle you were driving belonged to your girlfriend?

So defendent X, how long have you been dating your girlfriend?

So defendent X, you didn't find it strange when your girlfriend suddenly had a new car you had never seen during your X long relationship and allowed you to borrow it?

And defendent X, you didn't find it strange to operate the suddenly acquired and borrowed vehicle without a key?

Who the hell would buy that?

I must say, Bellevue PD was a bit negligent in letting the vehicle roll after they had it unoccupied. An unmarked and a Piranha would have been a better way to handle the situation.



Hey now, there are enough retards in this world giving gun owners a bad name, we don't need to shoot anyone over a stolen piece of property.
yes i know and im not one of them, but i work hard and will protect my car at all cost.
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well then invest in some personal liability insurance
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