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Old 01-01-2009, 07:31 PM   #1
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Default Guys, help with Auto X classification!

Ive skimmed the rules a couple times and I think Im in STX or STU. If someone could give me a second opinion and confirmation it'd be helpful.

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6speed STI swap, 2004
Lightened Flywheel
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stock rear bar, but will probably upgrade for the upcoming season(i think this one might be irrelevant given other mods)
Cusco strut bars f/r, with vee brace on rear
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18x8.5 wheels with 255 tires, i think this is the one true class'ing problem for me
ss braided brakelines
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sti trunk and wing
panel filter with modified airbox

Ok, Im sure that im in either stx or stu, I think stx has a 245 tire limit though? I have zero power mods other than a catback exhaust, so I imagine that I am outclassed a bit. I ran some STX last year at the guidance of SCCA workers, I have a feeling I should have TECHNICALLY been in stu though. I dont want to step on toes. I would like to be in STX, and I am planning on buying either DOT slicks or auto x specific street tires. Going through all those rules has flooded my mind a bit.. help!
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Old 01-01-2009, 07:50 PM   #2
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The 6 speed tranny and flywheel puts you in SM. I think the subframe lock bolts and subframe kit put you in FP.

Definitely not in the ST* classes.
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Old 01-01-2009, 07:55 PM   #3
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Sorry man but you are not in a ST class (would be STU for a 07 WRX).
The 6 speed swap, Subframe lock bolts, V brace and 5 piece subframe kit bump you into a prepared class I think or maybe street mod. I also think the lightened flywheel is a problem for ST...someone should be able to chime in on that.
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Old 01-01-2009, 07:57 PM   #4
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Actually, you're probably not even close to either. At best you're probably in BSP, maybe SM with your drivetrain swap, flywheel, lock bolts and subframe kit. You need to read the SCCA rule book line by line, class by class, it's not that bad if you step through it. If a modification isn't described that matches what you've done, you're not in that class. 245 is the max STU tire width, 225 is STX.

All of this only really matters if you intend to compete, and more so regionally or nationally which most don't. Locally there's usually a lot more unofficial leeway is usually given meaning people probably won't protest you if they don't think what you've done mattters or if you're not beating them, but nothing stops them from doing so.
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:23 PM   #5
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245 in both for AWD.

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Old 01-01-2009, 08:40 PM   #6
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Wow, I think its becoming more clear I am outmatched with my hardware. Im gonna make some investments in rubber and track time though. No plans to do any thing to the motor . I dont intend to go national, but I want to get good at driving my car to the max with stock engine configuration.

makes the g-force r1 and a set of camber plates seem that much more appealing.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:20 PM   #7
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Wow, I think its becoming more clear I am outmatched with my hardware. Im gonna make some investments in rubber and track time though. No plans to do any thing to the motor . I dont intend to go national, but I want to get good at driving my car to the max with stock engine configuration.

makes the g-force r1 and a set of camber plates seem that much more appealing.
That happens sometimes when you decide to join the sport after modifying your car. You realize some of the mods that may not be a big deal to you really bump your class up. I realized this when I started the sport with just an intake and boost controller and was getting raped in BSP. Now I'm down to STU and am planning my mods accordingly.

Unless you plan on being pretty competitive with it, just enjoy your car as it is and try to get better. I'm doing the exact same thing you are: better rubber and more seat time.
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:47 PM   #8
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+1. Your beyond easily bringing your car back to STX or STU with the Tranny mod. You are in SM. Have fun and accept the fact that you will be stomped by super modified quasi-go-carts. You'll become a better driver soon enough
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:12 PM   #9
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the v brace puts him into prepared, so with teh SM mods he moves to XP.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:30 AM   #10
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I would be in ESP, correct?

2005 LegGT with:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/857031
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:48 AM   #11
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I would be in ESP, correct?

2005 LegGT with:
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if your car has front brembos, youll be in SM as well.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:50 AM   #12
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not true..^^^^ 09 allows Brake upgrades in SP...along with aluminum 2 piece rotors if need be...

Was in a Fastrack a few monthes ago..
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Old 01-02-2009, 08:24 AM   #13
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Thanks Bill!
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:06 AM   #14
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not true..^^^^ 09 allows Brake upgrades in SP...along with aluminum 2 piece rotors if need be...

Was in a Fastrack a few monthes ago..
Edit - Ignore this post. Sorry for the confusion.

BBZZZTT.

It was put out to member comment in July. There has been no recommendation to allow it (or mention of approval to being sent to the SEB and/or the BOD) in any following fastracks.

Out for comment does not equal 'allowed'.

Since it hasn't been in any fastracks as approved and sent to the SEB/BOD, I don't think it's going to be legal for '09.

That said, it hasn't been disapproved either. They're still waiting for member feedback... so write them letters!

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Old 01-02-2009, 09:26 AM   #15
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BBZZZTT.

It was put out to member comment in July. There has been no recommendation to allow it (or mention of approval to being sent to the SEB and/or the BOD) in any following fastracks.
Check the October FastTrack. It was approved.
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:34 AM   #16
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Now I am confuzelled ...I thought it passed already

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Old 01-02-2009, 09:59 AM   #17
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It was - see the October FastTrack.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:08 AM   #18
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It was - see the October FastTrack.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:20 AM   #19
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Where????
Look much further up the document:
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MOTION: To accept the 2009 Solo Rules changes as submitted by the Solo Events Board.(Noble/Introne) PASSED, Unanimous
...snip...
ITEM 21) Replace 15.6 BRAKES with the following:
...snip the rest...
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*&^&*^%*&Y)*&^

You would think they would put it in the SOLO section.

NOOOoooo. It's in the BOD section

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ITEM 21) Replace 15.6 BRAKES with the following:
“Vehicles may only exceed the allowances of 13.6 as specified herein.
A. Any brake line, single or dual master cylinder, vacuum brake booster, or brake proportioning valves may be used.
This does not allow multiple separate cylinders, but does allow for any single, dual-circuit cylinder.
B. “Safety brakers” and units such as the “Brake Guard System” are permitted.
C. ABS braking systems may be disabled, but not removed; brake boosters may be removed, modified, substituted, or
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D. Alternate brake rotors are permitted, subject to the following restrictions:
1. Rotors must be ferrous metal except for standard parts. Aluminum rotor hats are allowed. Rotor dimensions
(diameter and thickness) must be equal to or greater than standard parts. Cars originally equipped with solid
(non-vented) rotors may utilize vented rotors.
2. Cross-drilled and/or slotted brake rotors may be used. Slots/holes are permitted only in the braking area
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E. Drum brakes may be replaced with disc brakes. Disc brake rotors for such a conversion must be equal to or greater
in diameter than the inside diameter of the standard brake drum. Changes to backing plates/mounting
brackets/brake lines to accommodate this change are permitted but may serve no other purpose. Drum-to-disc
SCCA Fastrack News July 2008 Page 5
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F. Air ducts may be fitted to the brakes, provided that no changes are made in the body/structure for their use. They
may serve no other purpose. Backing plates and dirt shields may be modified or removed.
G. A functional, redundant emergency (parking) brake must be present.
H. Brake calipers may be replaced, provided the number of pistons is equal to or greater than the original number of
pistons. Caliper mounting brackets may be replaced to accommodate this change, but may serve no other purpose.
Alternate caliper brackets must bolt to the original caliper bracket mounting location(s).”
SCCA Fastrack News July 2008
Nothing to see here. Move along. Bill was right. Neil was right. I was wrong. One can never claim the SCCA and Fastrack to make more sense than to put approved things in the Solo section and not the BOD section. (And there's still no mention of the SEB approving it and sending it to the BOD to be approved in the Solo section).

Gahh. :/

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Old 01-02-2009, 10:26 AM   #22
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lolin' at KC's expense.

I almost believed you for a second and was like, wait did I dream I read that.
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Even Bill, who knew he had read it 'earlier' was confuzzled, and even quoted the entire solo section from Oct. And even I remember it, and was going to put the fastrack it was mentioned in for reference, but I couldn't find it either.

And he was right!

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Old 01-02-2009, 10:28 AM   #24
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lolin' at KC's expense.

I almost believed you for a second and was like, wait did I dream I read that.
I'm used to it. Go ahead. After putting a 1/2" staple completely in my hand on Tues, and this...



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Old 01-02-2009, 10:36 AM   #25
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OK...I am happy now...even tho I just sent a email to Doug Gill.. for clarification...

sorry KC

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