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Old 01-06-2009, 12:27 AM   #1
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Question 1: Ok so I know for a fact that I can't run different sized rims, i.e. 17x8 and a 17x9 with two different sized tires, but my question is what about the offset. I would be running the exact same sized rims excluding the offsets, around a 10mm difference from front and back? Any help would be useful and I have done research and have received biased answers on both.

Question 2: If question 1 is possible, I've been looking at some 17x8's with a +24 and a +37 offset. Does anyone know if these would fit on a wagon, I am prepared to roll fenders and possibly pull if it comes down to it.
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:26 AM   #2
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Offset's way too low, especially on a wagon. I don't even think rolling the fenders would help. You'd need some sort of fender flares. And why do you want to run different offsets anyway?
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:35 AM   #3
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Yup, way to low of an offset. If you say you want to do it for an aggressive look, the beatings will begin.

Running different sized wheels is not technically bad, it is the tires that need to be the same rolling circumference. If all four tires have the same circumference, it doesn't matter what the wheels are.
The problem is that is almost impossible to get different sized tires with the EXACT same circumference.
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:29 AM   #4
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youre wrong. you can run a 17x8 and 17x9. why do you think you cant? dont say "cause my cars awd and itll blow a diff", cause wheel size doesnt mean a damn thing in that situation.
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:37 PM   #5
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youre wrong. you can run a 17x8 and 17x9. why do you think you cant? dont say "cause my cars awd and itll blow a diff", cause wheel size doesnt mean a damn thing in that situation.
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If all four tires have the same circumference, it doesn't matter what the wheels are.
The problem is that is almost impossible to get different sized tires with the EXACT same circumference.
Ya'll are arguing the same point (I think)

I'd have to agree, it's the rolling circumference of the wheels that matter. I don't see why you couldn't use a different offset front to back. Other than it could make tire rotation a big pain potentially (if say the front would not fit on the back with the offset being different or vice versa).
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Old 01-06-2009, 01:07 PM   #6
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the issue is that the car will understeer SO BADLY if you set it up wrong

that it will be dangerous....VERY dangerous


and this is what seperates the men from the boiz

or the men from the kiddies

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Old 01-06-2009, 04:50 PM   #7
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Thanks to everyone for the help. The reason that I asked is if you read the second question, I found a set of rims that I want but I'm not sure if they will fit and I'm not trying to throw money down the drain if it won't work. And no I'm not going for the "popular" I want to be aggressive or whatever, I'm just doing my own thing and trying to stick out, I guess if you have seen how low my wagon is you would understand. Also another question would be if I decided to do the sedan front end would the +24 fit in the front and the +35's in the back?

PS: Bring the hate if anyone wants to, I'm just asking some questions.
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:02 PM   #8
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I'm just a noob here as well...for now...but I have had a bit of experience with running low and staggered offset wheels. I think you'll get the best help and responses by posting a picture of your car at its desired ride height showing us the amount of gap between the outside of the wheel and the fender. I noticed above that mav1c said the offset would be too low, but doesn't the camber change (negatively) if his car is lowered without adjustable plates? If that's the case, a lower offset might work? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still learning as well. Also, as everyone has said, correct tire size is a must to fit a low offset wheel. If your willing to sacrifice some ride quality and turning ability to fit a low offset wheel, run a 205/45 tire on a 17x8 and stretch a bit.
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:10 PM   #9
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Here's my car I guess I can go higher and I have camber plates on my coilovers. Right now I haven't touched the camber plates.

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ya bought the WRONG car to slam and play 'hella flush' with

subarus do NOT....I'll say that AGAIN,.....they do NOT respond well to this kind of treatement

and THAT is why there is so much resistance to doing this to these cars here.

It is just a bad idea.

Sure there are idiots that wanna do it and think they are koo and all that.....but in the end.....you end up with a car that rides like a buckboard and handles worse than a Kia
And THAT is a fact.
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dude people run 17x9 +25 on subarus and they are fine...

im about to pick up some 17x9 +20s. haha. idc what anyone says.
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The people that don't care to listen to the people that know it's a bad idea are the idiots that do it...oh wait..here's a perfect example!

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dude people run 17x9 +25 on subarus and they are fine...

im about to pick up some 17x9 +20s. haha. idc what anyone says.
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Thanks to everyone for the help. The reason that I asked is if you read the second question, I found a set of rims that I want but I'm not sure if they will fit and I'm not trying to throw money down the drain if it won't work. And no I'm not going for the "popular" I want to be aggressive or whatever, I'm just doing my own thing and trying to stick out, I guess if you have seen how low my wagon is you would understand. Also another question would be if I decided to do the sedan front end would the +24 fit in the front and the +35's in the back?

PS: Bring the hate if anyone wants to, I'm just asking some questions.
You're car's too low. How'd you even get it that low?

The wheels you're asking about will not fit. ESPECIALLY with it slammed like that. The wagon is a much tighter fit than the sedan so you have even less to play with. Get a 17x8 +48 wheel and a 225/45-17 tire and be done with it.
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Yup, way to low of an offset. If you say you want to do it for an aggressive look, the beatings will begin.

Running different sized wheels is not technically bad, it is the tires that need to be the same rolling circumference. If all four tires have the same circumference, it doesn't matter what the wheels are.
The problem is that is almost impossible to get different sized tires with the EXACT same circumference.
Agreed.

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youre wrong. you can run a 17x8 and 17x9. why do you think you cant? dont say "cause my cars awd and itll blow a diff", cause wheel size doesnt mean a damn thing in that situation.
What size tires are you putting on these different width rims to achieve the same circumference?
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ya bought the WRONG car to slam and play 'hella flush' with

subarus do NOT....I'll say that AGAIN,.....they do NOT respond well to this kind of treatement

and THAT is why there is so much resistance to doing this to these cars here.

It is just a bad idea.

Sure there are idiots that wanna do it and think they are koo and all that.....but in the end.....you end up with a car that rides like a buckboard and handles worse than a Kia
And THAT is a fact.
It's certainly true that ride quality/handling suffers immensely with stretched tire, but it's hard to believe that a Subaru or any car "slammed" like this would have any issues as long as the spring rates are high enough, camber is correct, and the tires are the correct size and aren't rubbing. A lower center of gravity is usually beneficial to handling in the end...not so much ride quality. I guess it all depends on the OP's application.

To the OP: when I said picture of your car, I didn't really specify so that's my fault. I meant a close up shot of the front wheel/fender area and same for the rear. Those who know more about Subaru offsets and spacing will be able to chime in. Personally, I think your car looks excellent.
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It's certainly true that ride quality/handling suffers immensely with stretched tire, but it's hard to believe that a Subaru or any car "slammed" like this would have any issues as long as the spring rates are high enough, camber is correct, and the tires are the correct size and aren't rubbing. A lower center of gravity is usually beneficial to handling in the end...not so much ride quality. I guess it all depends on the OP's application.

To the OP: when I said picture of your car, I didn't really specify so that's my fault. I meant a close up shot of the front wheel/fender area and same for the rear. Those who know more about Subaru offsets and spacing will be able to chime in. Personally, I think your car looks excellent.


lemme guess

ya new here....right??

do you know ANYTHING about acceptable suspension geometry and the fact that a suspension HAS TO HAVE SOME TRAVEL TO IT OR IT IS USELESS AND THAT SLAMMING THESE CARS RENDERS SUSEPNSION TRAVEL TO JUST ABOUT '0' AND THUS MAKES THE SUSPESNION USELESS AND THEREFORE MAKES THE CAR HANDLE WORSE THAN A BIGWHEEL AND IS POINTLESS AND USELESS????

OR did you sleep in a holiday inn express lately

dumb-dumb-dumb

but it looks S0000000OOOOoooooooo K0000000ooooooooooooo in the hyskool parkinlot

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Can you_____ with _____ for _____ ? Yes, we have the technology, with a plasma torch, an english wheel and a wire feed you can make a ride out of ten different cars. It doesn't matter what anyone says, " I run this that and the other and it's fine" suspension Geometry is simple. The fundamentals of physics that apply to the suspension are simple too. I can set my camber to -8 degrees, pitch my toe in, dial the castor into the red zone and have a scrub radius the size of a football that planes in about a foot below the road. However all of those things will ruin the handling ability of my car. You either get it or you don't, and it is fine if you don't. These are PERFORMANCE vehicles, most of us bought them and modify them toward this end. There are volumes of technical manuals on suspension formulae and theory that make everything quite a bit clearer, maybe before you take the advice of someone who obviously flunked trig you should check some out. Very few people are going to understand you spending time and money to decrease the performance characteristics of your Subaru. It looks nice though.
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lemme guess

ya new here....right??

do you know ANYTHING about acceptable suspension geometry and the fact that a suspension HAS TO HAVE SOME TRAVEL TO IT OR IT IS USELESS AND THAT SLAMMING THESE CARS RENDERS SUSEPNSION TRAVEL TO JUST ABOUT '0' AND THUS MAKES THE SUSPESNION USELESS AND THEREFORE MAKES THE CAR HANDLE WORSE THAN A BIGWHEEL AND IS POINTLESS AND USELESS????

OR did you sleep in a holiday inn express lately

dumb-dumb-dumb

but it looks S0000000OOOOoooooooo K0000000ooooooooooooo in the hyskool parkinlot

easy


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Don't worry, the poke and stretched look will be gone as I'm rebuilding and refinishing the wheels to fit the car better.
that explains a lot


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'07 UGM wagon!!
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The people that don't care to listen to the people that know it's a bad idea are the idiots that do it...oh wait..here's a perfect example!
lol people been running low offsets on subies for years so blah blah blah.

ive seen audi guys run -10 on awd. whatever bro.

no luck its what you want. dont post in here go to wrong fitment crew.
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ive seen audi guys run -10 on awd. whatever bro.
What does that have to do with this topic??
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It's certainly true that ride quality/handling suffers immensely with stretched tire, but it's hard to believe that a Subaru or any car "slammed" like this would have any issues as long as the spring rates are high enough, camber is correct, and the tires are the correct size and aren't rubbing. A lower center of gravity is usually beneficial to handling in the end...not so much ride quality. I guess it all depends on the OP's application.

To the OP: when I said picture of your car, I didn't really specify so that's my fault. I meant a close up shot of the front wheel/fender area and same for the rear. Those who know more about Subaru offsets and spacing will be able to chime in. Personally, I think your car looks excellent.

Do you know what the steering axis is ? Take a line drawn through the steering axis. Take a vertical line through the center of wheel. Where those two lines intersect (touch) should be exactly at the road. If the point is above or below you have sacrificed tire life and grip. If you want a perfect example of what this does take a piece of cardboard or paper about 6" x 8" and lay it on a table, take a pencil and with the eraser push down on it in the center. Now push on the leading edge of the piece. Now do it again only push down with the eraser off-center either left or right. The paper spins either inward or outward. This is what happens when you have a large scrub radius, it is not good. Bump-steer is but one of many problems. You can only go so negative with the camber in an effort to correct it before it is now the camber killing the performance. It is complex, yet simple to understand you just have to get the information.
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What does that have to do with this topic??
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Well I'm glad you guys keep the flaming of the newbs to a minimum. I don't really mind though, I kind of expected it. Yes, thats my current setup. But good thing is, I can speak from direct experience in terms of ride quality and handling. I bet alot of people on here are all hearsay when it comes to attempting to fit wheels and tires. I hated the ride quality which is why I'm taking the wheels apart buying new, smaller lips allowing for proper sized tires and fitment.

The fact is, you guys can flame me all day, but I'm just answering the OP's question specifically. I would never get into a direct discussion of specific suspension geometry because I wouldn't know what to say, but I know what works on the street and it seems that's what the OP wants to know. The performance gurus can shun the idea of fitment all they want, but I chimed into this thread to answer the question so lets stay on topic.
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