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Old 04-02-2002, 08:06 AM   #1
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Just got my May edition of Automobile magazine, and there is a road test of the EVO VII and STi. They are Euro models, so no direct comparison of what will show up here. Couple things may be off for US models, like the EVO was $7K more, and the STi had 14hp less. The driving impressions were interesting -- be warned, they liked the EVO better.
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Old 04-02-2002, 05:43 PM   #2
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ya, I was pretty surprised to see that they liked the EVO more, but it was $7000 more. I wish they were the same as what we got here, the waiting is going to put me into depression.
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Old 04-02-2002, 05:49 PM   #3
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its a tuffy to choose... i guess i would need to test drive both and see which one feels better
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Old 04-02-2002, 07:55 PM   #4
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So far from what i've seen from any real car source the EVO is the better car hands down - will i buy one - yes
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Old 04-02-2002, 08:06 PM   #5
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All the "less than glowing" remarks they made about the STi can easily be "fixed" with proper tuning (improve the suspension, beef up the brakes, and do the normal things to give you more horsepower and torque across the entire band). If you put their article in the context of most of the STi versus Evo comparisons, a similar theme comes through ... they will say the Evo is a more banzaii kind of driving experience, whereas the STi is more well rounded. All of them say that both cars are truly a blast to drive, and that they represent incredible value, especially when compared to much more expensive and dedicated sports cars. As for me and my WRX, it is continuing to prove very rewarding as both my daily driver and weekend warrior!

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Old 04-02-2002, 08:17 PM   #6
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I saw a Topgear video clip on the evo 7 and the sti wrx. Its the European "motor trend" They picked the wrx over the Lancer in every catagory
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Old 04-02-2002, 10:41 PM   #7
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So far from what i've seen from any real car source the EVO is the better car hands down - will i buy one - yes
Better car for what? It may be a better car for your purposes, but from having actually driven the vehicle in question, it's not a better car, period.

What's better in the Evo VII - the engine and center differential. Inline 4's have more development dollars into them than flat fours, and it shows.

What's better in the STI. Chassis, suspension, transmission, durability. The 6-speed is better, the suspension actually shows signs of having been tuned for something besides the track, the chassis is based on the WRX turbo, not a FWD Lancer Cedia, and shows by having some actual stiffness, and the car overall is much more reliable.

Yes, if you are trying to build a dragstrip-only monster, it will be faster than the STI. If you are at the track, well, it's no longer king there. On real roads, IMO it's STI all the way, unless you actually like bouncing over literally every bump in the road.

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Old 04-03-2002, 12:30 AM   #8
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haha iceman, I have that same video from topgear and tiff picks the sti over the evo, and tiff loved the mad driving of the sti. but then I read the automobile article and they said that the pure driving experience went to the evo like GoodFinder says.

not sure if feeling bumps does anything for me as long as it doesnt effect my car i'll feel every bump in the road all day.

i am so confused now on what i will get. if the evo is $7000 more than the sti like the UK version it may not be worth it...to me.

alfriedsq...you may want to watch the tif video, because he is the man, and a very credible source.
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Old 04-03-2002, 07:04 AM   #9
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Yes, if you are trying to build a dragstrip-only monster, it will be faster than the STI. If you are at the track, well, it's no longer king there. On real roads, IMO it's STI all the way, unless you actually like bouncing over literally every bump in the road.


Another unbeliever, I drove an Evo V, that is one fast car, buit to win on the track and yes it is still the king on the track (Cyber Evo).
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Old 04-03-2002, 08:47 PM   #10
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Another unbeliever, I drove an Evo V, that is one fast car, buit to win on the track and yes it is still the king on the track (Cyber Evo).
That's a tuner car, for one. Two, for the majority of people, off-track driving is the majority, if not all, of their driving. The Evo V isn't made anymore, either. New STI RA type C vs. Evo VII, the STI was faster on the track. The latest Hyper Meet, the Zero Sports beat out the Evo's, new and old, at Tsukuba Circuit. And the Cyber Evo was competing in that event.

I've driven an Evo VII. Yes, it's great - for the track. On road manners left me cold. And for the track, once Subaru played by Mitsubishi's rules, their Type C is also great, in fact it seems to be better. But for people in the states, it's a moot point - it's the versions that are sold in the states that will matter the most.

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Old 04-04-2002, 07:31 AM   #11
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New STI RA type C vs. Evo VII, the STI was faster on the track.
Is this against the Evo RS or GSR? On the March issue of BestMotoring the Evo RS beat the STI type RA spec C. I would like to see a GDB take out the CT9A!

Are you saying Cyber Evo got beat by the Zero Sports GDB?! What was the time on Tsukuba Circuit for the Zero Sports?? I thought the record is still set by Cyber Evo.
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Old 04-04-2002, 10:59 AM   #12
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I was under the impression that the EVO tested was a "VERY GREY" market jap spec import (280)....and that the STi was a fully legal Euro spec 261hp model....

Not a fair comparo in my eyes... Jap Spec to Jap Spec, thats what I want to see.... 280hp vs 280hp.

then lets see what conclusions they draw.....

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Old 04-04-2002, 11:59 AM   #13
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Jeez, they are both awesome cars -- if you have either one I'm sure you'll be happy. I know I am with my WRX. Now for the STI and EVO.. enie meanie minie moe...
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Old 04-04-2002, 01:33 PM   #14
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yeah.... apples to oranges.... sure....

both AWD
both Turbo
both 4 cyl
both 2.0l displacement
both have very similiar power output
both 4 doors
both have cool spoilers
both have cool FUNCTIONAL hood vents
both compete in the WRC
both have rally derived handling
both have great brakes
both weight 3085lbs

Yeah completely different.... there couldn't be 2 more different vehicles......yeah....

If these 2 cars (EVO/WRX) aren't fruits of the same tree of thought, than I dont know what is. I mean the Camaro and Mustang dont even have as much in commom as these 2 do!! and they are compared all the time with no disclaimer or dispute....

They are muscle cars... designed to go fast in a straight line.

These two, EVO/WRX, are Street driven rally cars.... designed to go fast every where else but straight...it just so happens they do that well too!

C'mon..... apples to oranges....not at all.....

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Old 04-04-2002, 03:16 PM   #15
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yeah.... apples to oranges.... sure....

Yeah completely different.... there couldn't be 2 more different vehicles......yeah....

If these 2 cars (EVO/WRX) aren't fruits of the same tree of thought, than I dont know what is. I mean the Camaro and Mustang dont even have as much in commom as these 2 do!! and they are compared all the time with no disclaimer or dispute....
I think it's pretty obvious what he's talking about. Testing a JP spec car vs. a UK/US spec competitor is not fair because of a number of reasons, including differing emissions or crash standards. BOTH cars would need to be diluted comparably for export, so that 280HP Evo may end up being 260HP when it makes its way to the UK or US, at which point the results against a 260HP STI may be quite different. Claiming apples to apples when one car doesn't even pass federalization requirements for import really doesn't make sense.

You can make the same argument by modding one car to hell and back while leaving the other stock. Who's going to win? Both cars are still 4wd with 2.0l displacement, but it certainly isn't apples to apples

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Old 04-04-2002, 04:27 PM   #16
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first, i will admit that both of these cars are truly great cars. The only the about the EVO is the reliability of Mitshubishi. I have to wonder about the longevity of a $30,000 plus car that has the some of the same engine parts as a 1999 Eclipse turbo, which was well known for crank-walk. Who's to say that a 50,000 miles, the EVO won't do the same thing. Hopfully they have fixed these issues, but the Japanese don't really build sports cars to last 100,000 miles like mine will have to when i get one. Thanks, but no thanks to the EVO. For a daily driver, i will take my chances with the WRX (or an STI )

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Old 04-04-2002, 05:08 PM   #17
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Would you really be disappointed with either?

The general consensus is that the STI is more reliable and has a better tranny.

But, if you plan on doing some crazy engine mods the VII is a bit easier to work with...


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Old 04-04-2002, 06:26 PM   #18
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first, i will admit that both of these cars are truly great cars. The only the about the EVO is the reliability of Mitshubishi. I have to wonder about the longevity of a $30,000 plus car that has the some of the same engine parts as a 1999 Eclipse turbo, which was well known for crank-walk. Who's to say that a 50,000 miles, the EVO won't do the same thing. Hopfully they have fixed these issues, but the Japanese don't really build sports cars to last 100,000 miles like mine will have to when i get one. Thanks, but no thanks to the EVO. For a daily driver, i will take my chances with the WRX (or an STI )

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Well from what I understand the Evo has a pretty good rep in
Europe and Japan as far as reliability.

My pov: I'm perfectly happy with my Rex, and hopefully will keep
for several years. By the time a make a new car decision the Evo 8 will be out against the next version of Sti.

As for Sti itself, i'm a little disappointed in the Euro spec versions
259 HP and 3250 curb weight.

In order to be radically quicker than the rex it needs another 50 hp or it needs to lose a couple hundred pounds.

I've read a couple of reviews now (including automobile mags) than are decidedly less than completely blown away, and I
think I can see why.
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Old 04-04-2002, 07:22 PM   #19
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you are probably right strangerq, i haven't really studied this topic too much, i was more or less going off of an old magazine issue i read somewhere.
How close are the 0-60 times, skidpad numbers and so on between the STi and the Evo?

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Is this against the Evo RS or GSR? On the March issue of BestMotoring the Evo RS beat the STI type RA spec C. I would like to see a GDB take out the CT9A!

Are you saying Cyber Evo got beat by the Zero Sports GDB?! What was the time on Tsukuba Circuit for the Zero Sports?? I thought the record is still set by Cyber Evo.
The STI RA spec C and the RS seem to have reached an equilibrium of performance - no surprise, they are both running close to the same equipment now. A big test in Driver at a 1:40-1:50 lap time track had the RA a second faster than the RS in the hands of pro drivers, and 2 seconds faster in the hands of non-pros. I haven't seen the March issues of Best Motoring, I'll just assume MMC took measures after getting beat out.

The Zero Sport times were not that great - nobody set any records. I'm going off of faulty memory, but it was about .2 of a second faster than the fastest Evo. I think it set a 57.??? in the morning, and a 58.246 in the afternoon quickie where they only had one try for times. The overall record wasn't beat, but then, the conditions were poor (light rain off and on in the morning), conditions may have been better when the record was set.

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Old 04-04-2002, 09:25 PM   #21
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Well, even if the Evo did out-perform the STI, you give me an STI and $7k, and I'll make the almost as good STI hose off the Evo for the same end price.
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Well the good news/rumor for those waiting for the STI is that
the American version could theoretically be more powerful than
the Euro.

The Japanese version supposidly produces around 300 horsepower on 100 ron gas. Europe gets only 95 ron and
that supposidley more than emissions is why their STI is
relatively weak. The US has 98 ron available I think in all 50
states (Cali?), so perhaps 270 or so horsepower would not
be out of the question.

(octane plus intercooling effects how much boost you can
apply before you get detonation)

The Euro Wrx for example produces like 10 fewer horsepower
than the US spec for that reason I believe.

Of course this begs the question of how the Evo is able to maintain closer to Japan spec performance for the Euro version
compared to the REX. (is it the FMIC?)
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Old 04-05-2002, 10:42 AM   #23
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I still think reliability is an issue with the Mitsu. The last one I had was a Starion ESI-R, great car as long as you don't drive more than 10 miles a week. I kept it for 13 years and could have bought a Diablo VT for what I paid in repairs, many turbos, 3 engine replacements after snapping crankshafts, blown bearings and the list goes on. This was a completely stock car with only 188 horsepower. I know people with montero's and GSX's that had a lot of problems also. I put 40K miles on my RS last year and don't even have any rattles yet. I'll stick with something I know will last after I abuse it.
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Old 04-06-2002, 10:59 AM   #24
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This 330hp "offical" Sti at Greece will kick EVO's ass on the straight Check here

Well it's an offical Subie dealer and the package is covered under warranty: I suppose Subaru has qualified the 330hp model.

Wonder if it fills the space between the EVO's and Sti's price tags.



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Old 04-06-2002, 02:53 PM   #25
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Did the magazine say where they got their prices from? After doing a bit of research I couldn't find the pirce difference of $7000. In Japan the difference is approx 500,000 yen, which is 3,000 dollars, and in the UK the difference is $7000 pounds, which is 12,000 dollars diffence.

It will really depend on which pricing scheme we get here to know which is the better car. And as far as saying you could solve all the STi's problems by dumping 7G's into, when you do that you lose your warranty and then all you have is a modified, hard to resell, unwarrantied timebomb. Because if something goes wrong your screwed.
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