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Old 01-15-2009, 02:11 AM   #1
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Default Car died today, advice plz.. If your tranny dies will the engine start?

Ok, so after a week or so of extensive weight reduction, I took my car (1996 L) out for a drive today. All seemed to be going well so I took it out to my favorite local mountain road to see if all that work made any difference. Unfortunately, on the way back toward my house, the car started losing power on the uphill. After the car was near a complete stop, I downshifted to L2, no response, L1, still nothing. The car completely crapped out on me. When I tried to crank it, it would turn, but wouldn't actually start. Weird thing is even when the car was completely off, the radiator fans would still turn. I started thinking maybe I crossed some wires up or something when I rehooked them, but then I went to check the fluids, everything was good except for the tranny fluid which was empty!! This came as a suprise to me because when I checked it a couple days earlier, it was full. When I looked under the car, sure enough tranny fluid was coating the underside. Kinda strange b/c I couldn't find where it was leaking from.

If you have read this far, thank you...

So anyway, I've had problems with torque bind until this point, but people talk about it like it's common and won't cause damage so I didn't think much of it and was planning to change the tranny fluid tomorrow. Unfortunately, thats not gonna work. Now, my engine won't start and I had to get it towed back today. My question is... Based on what I have written would you say that if I did not wire my car correctly it could cause this problem or the tranny was about to go out anyway? Also, would a bad tranny keep a car from starting?

It isn't that big of a deal because I was planning to do an STI swap anyway, but with only 101,000 miles I expected it to last until I could get the new engine in. Although I did want to try it out on some autocross courses first. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:16 AM   #2
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What did you do in terms of weight reduction?
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:35 AM   #3
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I removed the carpet, all seats except for the driver, chipped out all of the tar chips, removed most of the sound deadening mats on the firewall, windshield fluid tank, spare tire, everything else from the trunk, headliner, gutted the dashboard, removed hubcaps, airbags, speakers, stereo system, relocated ecu where passenger airbag used to be so I could remove ecu brackets, gutted rear doors completely and most of front doors (put door cards back on front doors), removed sunvisors, rear seat support bars, mud flaps, side trim, plastic front grill, various nuts and bolts, and a couple other things... thats about all I can think of right now. I had to completely remove the dash to take the airbags out so I unhooked a lot of wires and I think I put them back in the right way, but is there anyway that not hooking one of them in right could cause a tranny failure? (ECU was definately right)
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:45 AM   #4
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windshield fluid tank is connected to some fuses.
It could have been the ECU brackets, or maybe something in the dash when you gutted it?
Those are my only ideas.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:12 AM   #5
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I removed the carpet, all seats except for the driver, chipped out all of the tar chips, removed most of the sound deadening mats on the firewall, windshield fluid tank, spare tire, everything else from the trunk, headliner, gutted the dashboard, removed hubcaps, airbags, speakers, stereo system, relocated ecu where passenger airbag used to be so I could remove ecu brackets, gutted rear doors completely and most of front doors (put door cards back on front doors), removed sunvisors, rear seat support bars, mud flaps, side trim, plastic front grill, various nuts and bolts, and a couple other things... thats about all I can think of right now. I had to completely remove the dash to take the airbags out so I unhooked a lot of wires and I think I put them back in the right way, but is there anyway that not hooking one of them in right could cause a tranny failure? (ECU was definately right)
is this goin to be a race car/complete and total beater or are you just THAT gangsta?
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:49 AM   #6
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the tranny failed because there was no fluid in it
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:35 AM   #7
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AT? or MT?
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:15 PM   #8
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Yes I'm planning to make this thing a track car, but I am planning to drive it to the track. So, yeah... I'm that gangsta :P It's an automatic tranny... what could make the transmission fluid all leak out like that?
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:36 PM   #9
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a hole?
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:15 PM   #10
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I dont know anything about auto, but you could start the engine with clutch engaged on MT so it's probably your tranny.
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:30 PM   #11
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fill it up with the cheapest tranny fluid you can find and see if it starts . should cost you $5.

if it doesnt its something else then yea?
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:18 PM   #12
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I took your advice and added new tranny fluid. It was topped off, but it still wouldn't start I checked under the car to see if it was leaking out somewhere, but didn't see any dripping or puddles. Strange situation. I guess I'll just have to start the swap a little earlier than I had planned. I really want to make sure that I have all of the wiring and everything else correct so that if it was something on my part, I can avoid it on the swap... really don't want anything to happen to the more expensive sti tranny if it can be avoided. Does anyone know where to find a really thorough wiring diagram for the gc8 that can show where everything plugs in? If not, I guess I'll just go with a front clip and take tons of pictures.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:21 PM   #13
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i have the same problem it turns out that the input shaft seal went bad
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:26 PM   #14
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still why wont it start???? did it sieze and it wont go into neutral? you said its cranking????? so i dont get it? do u have spark? do you have gas? can you move through the gears do you hear the transmission functioning or is it siezed?

i have a shop manual so if you need the wiring diagram hit me up ill email it to you.
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Old 01-15-2009, 04:07 PM   #15
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I would think the ECU would be throwing codes if the motor was dying. Do you have any codes that might shed a little light on the subject? I don't know if there's a failsafe between the TCU and ECU which would inhibit the motor from starting if the trans died.

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Old 01-16-2009, 12:46 AM   #16
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The shop manual would be great!! My email is sisco_sports@yahoo.com
It will shift through the gears, it has spark and gas, I can't hear it functioning. It was cranking last night right after it happened, but now it won't even crank. It just clicks when I turn the key. Thanks for your help.
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yahoo wont let you send files that big, do you have a gmail account?

its clicking because you have drained your battery now.

could be your tourque converter.

input shaft seal would allow the leak but not the non start issue.

you have to find where the leak is coming from.
you said u filled it with fluid.
did it leak out again?
if so from where?
if not, why not?


i would look at the torque converter
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your tranny is most likely toast too dude .
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good news is , cars tottaled now , you could get a new one for way cheaper than replacing half your drivetrain
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