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Old 01-15-2009, 02:35 PM   #1
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Default Time Attack/Time Trials/HPDE/PDX/Club Trials -- Whatever you want to call it!

NW region of SCCA has released their schedule for the year. They are going to have 3 Club Trials/Track Trials events this year. All are at Bremerton Motorsports Park (yea yeah I know BOOOO!)

http://www.nwr-scca.org/timetrials/Schedule.htm

Just a reminder - These events are run like a track day. You get 3 15(or 20) minute sessions. Each session is timed. During your last session of the day your fastest lap is what counts.

Club Trials -- Minimal saftey gear required -- Same as Auto-x. Long sleeves, pants, closed toe shoes, helmet.

Track Trials - Requires a SCCA license, 4pt roll bar, drivers suit, fire extinguisher, etc.

These events will be run in conjunction with SCCA race, so while you are not driving you will have a chance to catch some good wheel-to-wheel action. Come back out on Sunday if you desire and volunteer to help out (free lunch).
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:57 PM   #2
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That is great news!!!!! thanks for the info

I will be at every one of these if I am in town. Is your motor at the motor builder? How is that whole deal going?
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:00 PM   #3
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It went back to him today. We'll see what happens. My worst nightmare now is that he takes it apart and can't "find" the problem.

Glad to hear you are going to try and make them all. I still have the roll bar waiting for you when you get back to town.



PS -- Got the Mach 1 sold yesterday. It was really sad to see it leave, I'm still a little sick to my stomach!
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:10 PM   #4
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Congratulation on the sale of the car, I think. Took a little while to sell it so I am sure you are glad to have the burden off your back. I thought that the cam gear issue was the cause of the noise? If not I am sure he will find something, that type of noise must mean something is pretty obviously wrong.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:26 PM   #5
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:34 PM   #6
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^^ my pleasure.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:38 PM   #7
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Congratulation on the sale of the car, I think. Took a little while to sell it so I am sure you are glad to have the burden off your back. I thought that the cam gear issue was the cause of the noise? If not I am sure he will find something, that type of noise must mean something is pretty obviously wrong.
Yeah, it's a burden off my back.. but still incredibly painful to see it go.

Everyone I talked to said it 1 tooth of was not enough to cause contact. I still have some doubt to that since the block was milled (further reducing clearance), the bores are bigger for forged pistons (allowing the piston more wiggle room), and because the cam was retarded (so opening and closing late). On top of that the cam that was off a tooth, was from the same side the noise was coming from... just seems like too much of a coincidence.

The problem is I couldn't see anything with a borescope -- so the builder is going to take a look with his trained eye. Then tear it apart.
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Well I am sure will we know very soon what the problem is. I agree with the coincidence and it is hard to trust someones word off of a public forum. You never really know who is trustworthy or who is BS'ing. I will be looking forward to hearing the root cause of the problem.
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Old 01-15-2009, 04:30 PM   #9
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Well I am sure will we know very soon what the problem is. I agree with the coincidence and it is hard to trust someones word off of a public forum. You never really know who is trustworthy or who is BS'ing. I will be looking forward to hearing the root cause of the problem.
I talked to a bunch of Subie builders (and dealers) off of the forums also. None of them have see it happen.. doesn't mean it can't. I am also pretty confident it is not a spun rod bearing though.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:10 PM   #10
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generalee,

Would you mind schooling me on SCCA stuff.

Looks like you HAVE to join, correct?

Are there classes? Or is a "run what you brung and have fun" type of deal?

thanks for the help!
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:17 PM   #11
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generalee,

Would you mind schooling me on SCCA stuff.

Looks like you HAVE to join, correct?

Are there classes? Or is a "run what you brung and have fun" type of deal?

thanks for the help!
You have to have at least a temporary SCCA membership (weekend membership) same as if you were going to run an SCCA auto-x. I think it is $15 for the weekend. Just think of it as member and non-member pricing. There's not a whole lot you you have to do to get a weekend membership, just fill out a form.

Classes for SCCA club trials are the same for SCCA auto-x. Categories are - Stock, Street Touring, Street Prepared, Modified, or Prepared. Then each category is broken down into classes (A Stock, B Stock, C Stock, etc).

There are some pretty good threads on the forum for trying to class your car for auto-x. If you can't find what you are looking for, I can try to help.

There wind up not being very many participants (20, maybe 30) so classes really aren't all that important - The popular classes (STU, SM, CS) may wind up have a 3 or 4 cars. It's not super competitive like auto-x so no one is going to protest or anything.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:25 PM   #12
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I'd just like to get some more experience on the track and as many tracks as I can. I want to get comfortable with my car.

My car is highly, highly modified. (check my thread). I'm not worried about times vs. someone else....but I would like to see how I progress as a driver.

p.s. can I stay at your house for the night?
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:30 PM   #13
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I'd just like to get some more experience on the track and as many tracks as I can. I want to get comfortable with my car.

My car is highly, highly modified. (check my thread). I'm not worried about times vs. someone else....but I would like to see how I progress as a driver.

p.s. can I stay at your house for the night?
I wouldn't worry about not having experience. There are experienced drivers there that will gladly jump in the car and ride along, if you ask. Usually at any of these given events there are 5 to 10 complete novices there.

Sure -- We'll set up Subie Tent City in my cul de sac
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:30 PM   #14
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Well I guess I will attend one of these oversized auto X courses at least once haha. This should be happening at Portland, or Pacific though.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:06 PM   #15
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Yay! I may miss one or two depending on scheduling.

Do you know if the fees are still the same? And was the MaxQ data stuff ever emailed out for the last CT/TT event at BMR?
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:52 AM   #16
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Well I guess I will attend one of these oversized auto X courses at least once haha. This should be happening at Portland, or Pacific though.
Yeah tell me about it. With SCCA it starts getting into politics of the different clubs.

There's definitely enough braking at BMP to give the illusion that it is not just a big fast auto-x, but.... yeah it is.

Honestly, anyones best bet for trying to put on a TT event at Pacific or PIR is to work through the SCCA system. If you are serious about trying to put on some events at the larger tracks (ORP should be easily rentable, so would Spokane), I would get in touch with SCCA. Let them know you want to get involved with the TT program. By your second full year, I imagine you would be in charge, seeing that the head of it stepped down last season and no one replaced him.
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Yay! I may miss one or two depending on scheduling.

Do you know if the fees are still the same? And was the MaxQ data stuff ever emailed out for the last CT/TT event at BMR?
mmm.. I don't know yet. With Race taking CT/TT over, the fee probably went up, but I have no idea how much.

I saw the little data that they had... but I don't remember where it went. The one good thing about race taking over, is that at least they will use transponders!
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I will most likely be headed back to the sand box before the end of the summer so trying to get more involved in the SCCA just wouldn't make much sence. But hey why not start sending them lots of e-mail people! If we can get enough people to send them E-mails and show them that this is something that we really want maybe we can get it going on courses that are real race tracks.
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #19
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I will most likely be headed back to the sand box before the end of the summer so trying to get more involved in the SCCA just wouldn't make much sence. But hey why not start sending them lots of e-mail people! If we can get enough people to send them E-mails and show them that this is something that we really want maybe we can get it going on courses that are real race tracks.
It's worth a shot. But I bugged them about this enough that I think I know what their canned responses will be

1) We don't have enough track time
2) It's hard to get new track time because of all the clubs
3) It hasn't made money(or broke even) in the past


Really the way to go about this is to get enough steady/solid participation that they(Race) can not ignore TT. There are 2 more people on the Board of Directors for NWR now that are sympathetic to TT, which is a good place to start. But it's sort of a "Put up or Shut up" environment right now.

NWR Race would not have survived (succeeded) last season with Club Trials(CT). I think they had almost 30 drivers at the April event. Which was almost the same amount as racers.

But -- If you turned out a steady 30 or 40 cars for a whole season, at the end of it you could say to Race - we're splitting off again (effectively cutting 50% of their revenue) or we want Race to put up a serious effort to get CT/TT track time at Pacific.

One of the other issues, is that technically SCCA's PDX (HPDE) program is supposed to be held on "Temporary" road course for insurance reasons. So that cuts a little of the participation at Pacific. You would have to fill 100+ cars at Pacific to break even... with everyone running competitively.

There is also fear with SCCA (IMO unfounded) that CT is inherently more dangerous to run at Pacific. True Pacific has more area's where the driver HAS to be in control or bad things will happen. But all the other clubs are running track days out there with the same equipment that CT requires. There is just a new layer added to CT because of the competitive side (maybe you require previous SCCA experience or something in order to run at PR....)

Alright--- I'll get off my soap box
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I hope I can make it to the May 2-3rd event. It may conflict with my work.
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Ew, that could be ugly...



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Well I guess I will attend one of these oversized auto X courses at least once haha. This should be happening at Portland, or Pacific though.
HA! i knew youd give in sucker......i would prolly be in on the beginnin of may ...pending schedule check....damn sand box.
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i'd be pretty interested in this if i'm not stuck at work on that day. i've never participated in anything like this though so i don't know what exactly would be required for me to do so or what group i'd fit in either. i do want to be a better driver and learn my car better as i procceed to mod it though which is why i want to do this.
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