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Old 01-17-2009, 02:29 AM   #1
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Default 07 or 09 for ESP???

I am not interested in doing engine swaps and such, so, which year is better, an 07 or 09 WRX for ESP?

Could the 07 run 15x10 and the Hoosier 275/35/15? If so, that would be nice to keep it lower, but, would gearing be an issue even with a raised rev limit?

I realize an 09 would make more power, but, is it heavier? If so, how much heavier?

Are Differentials readily available for the 07 or 09? I assume suspension is readily available for the 09?

Thanks for any input, I am new to the scoobie world and appreciate any and all input as long as its good input. lol My goal would be to build an ESP WRX that COULD win nats, and, then I'd learn how to drive it. lol
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Old 01-17-2009, 03:33 AM   #2
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I would be scared of the 09 getting booted from ESP, so my vote would be the 07.
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:25 AM   #3
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Do an 07. All the aftermarket parts are already available. LSDs are a must and i'm unaware of any LSDs for the 09 as of now.

Prepping a car that could win nats isn't too hard, Drew got 4th last year at nats and didn't have LSDs. I recommend reading the ESP thread.
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:25 AM   #4
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'02-'03. Lightest of them all, and cheapest to start with.

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Old 01-17-2009, 11:39 AM   #5
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:44 AM   #6
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^^ no 2.5L though.
So? I believe the 2.0 is stout enough, and it's lighter to boot. Weight > Power in solo.

What are the maximum gains from each engine? What about down low? With all the allowances in SP, the 2.0 can have pretty much the same advantages as the 2.5 to the point of the 2.5 having no advantage.
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So? I believe the 2.0 is stout enough, and it's lighter to boot. Weight > Power in solo.

What are the maximum gains from each engine? What about down low? With all the allowances in SP, the 2.0 can have pretty much the same advantages as the 2.5 to the point of the 2.5 having no advantage.
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torque is king...tho...sometimes....I think despite the weight...a 2.5 is the way to go for the bottom end...on a 60 sec course...at a national level probably worth .5 sec on course ...

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Old 01-17-2009, 12:11 PM   #8
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If it were me....09 with SP mods wins...you can lighten up ANY car...275 WHP on 09 with Decent suspension...the ability to put 295's on the car without an issue....and Diffs are available...although pricey ....the rear and front are available from KAAZ or Cusco...just use the 05 + Legacy apps...throw in some decent lightweight seats...Bigger I/C ...some lighter/better brakes...and Wahhhhhhhlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...a ESP Monster...pretty much should beat any pony car...and yes...it might get looked at to get moved to a different class...but doubtful..


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Old 01-17-2009, 12:47 PM   #9
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Read the ESP thread. Lots of good information there. I'd personally go with an 06 or 07.

I really don't think weight is going to matter much. I don't have the numbers in front of me but last time I checked the weight differences weren't that huge between the years. You would gain more by taking an evo school and doing as much seat as possible instead of trying to get the lightest possible set up.

The jury is still out whether its best for the 15, 17, or 18 in wheels. I don't think any one has tried 15x10 and 275 hoosiers yet. So it remains to be seen what is going to work best. I think 18's is the way to go but it remains to be seen. It's all about preference and driving style.
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:45 PM   #10
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2002 WRX Curb Weight: 3085 lbs.
2009 WRX Curb Weight: 3175 lbs.

The '06/'07 was 3192. You're still looking at 90ish lbs... and I still believe you can lose more weight using the '02/'03 than the '09.

Not only that, you can get an '02/'03 for $5-10K. That goes a LONG way into making an SP car, $10-$15K difference in the price of the car alone.

If you have the money/means... go for it with the '09. I feel for $15K, including the price of the car, you're going to have a car that's 95-98% of the '09.

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Old 01-17-2009, 04:16 PM   #11
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Good points for sure...of course I always do these fantasy builds with someone elses money...me...I am a cheap bastard...

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Old 01-18-2009, 04:20 AM   #12
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Thanks for all the input guys, I definitely appreciate it. Hmmm, I ran into an 07 with 25k miles for $16900 OBO. I think the 09 is around $24K new isn't it? I will keep doing research and will post pics of end result once I make a decision. Either way, the WRX sounds appealing in ESP, especially for Prosolo's. ;-)

At the moment, I am torn between an 07 and 09. But, if I can save $7K and the parts are available for both, I guess it depends on which car I prefer, so, I'll go test drive both back to back. :-)

So, I assume its possible to do 15x10 with 275/35/15 tires on an 07?

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Old 01-18-2009, 04:38 AM   #13
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Oh, one more question, do you guys think the Sedan or the Hatch would be better for autox if I decide to go with the 09?
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:16 AM   #14
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If you have the money/means... go for it with the '09. I feel for $15K, including the price of the car, you're going to have a car that's 95-98% of the '09.

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$15k? That's w/o doing a race gas tune then. If you run the fully leaded go juice then you'll want to trailer it to the track which means buying a tow vehicle and trailer. $15k just went out the window then.

That's also assuming you do ALL the work yourself. Yeah, the basic bolt-ons are easy enough (suspension, exhaust, ic, seats, etc) but diving into the transmission to install diffs is only for someone with deap technical knowledge of that kind of stuff. Each cusco LSD is like $2500 (x3 = $7,500 just in LSD's). Then you need the uber wide wheels and tires setting you back aaround another ~$3k.

I have a hard time seeing a fully prepped ESP car for under $20k, especially knowing what I have invested in mine and I got most of my stuff for free.

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So, I assume its possible to do 15x10 with 275/35/15 tires on an 07?
As long as you have the factory brakes, I would think so.
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Hey AUTOXDUDE, why spend all that cash money if you suck at autox in the first place? Take the Evo courses over and over until you get a clue, lou... and leave the rodents alone!

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Hey AUTOXDUDE, why spend all that cash money if you suck at autox in the first place? Take the Evo courses over and over until you get a clue, lou... and leave the rodents alone!

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zzyzx,

Why would you say those comments to someone you don't even know? You know I am a novice autoxr, sure, maybe I am not the best but I heard you don't know how to make coilovers so you should keep your mouth shut. Besides, you are not a good instructor either I heard.
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Why would you say those comments to someone you don't even know? You know I am a novice autoxr, sure, maybe I am not the best but I heard you don't know how to make coilovers so you should keep your mouth shut. Besides, you are not a good instructor either I heard.
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Steve would be a great instructor...if you want to learn how to corner on two-wheels in a DSP 2.5RS, while finishing behind the G-stock and STS subies
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just a minor update...we had a 07 WRX dyno at 245 Hp...and 307 torque on our dyno this morning in ESP Trim...Very Very Strong #'s for a TD04 car....(makes me rethink my plans...as I still think the 2.5 is the way to go for ESP)...OBTW....200 Ft lbs @ 2500 RPM...

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