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Old 01-18-2009, 02:27 AM   #1
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Default 2nd time at 1/4 track....need driver mod I think.

Track.. Speedworld in Surprise Az.
Temp.. about 55 degrees.
Barometer.. unknown but one of the guys said not good, supossed to be equivalent to 2000 foot elevation. Dont know if he was BS or not.

Car.. 06 WRX TR with Megan DP, Tenrai CBE, and open source tune by Treefrogaz with 16psi max boost. Cobb springs and G-Force sports 225 45 17 tires.


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reaction...... .3094
60' ....... 1.9245
330' ....... 5.7189
1/8 et ..... 8.8945
1/8 mph ..... 77.81
1k' et ..... 11.5484
1k' mph ..... 87.55
1/4 et ..... 13.9428
1/4 mph ..... 97.89

I ended up racing these three Evos all night. Really cool guys all with 7s or 8s with the 5 speeds. One of them was running really low 12s with the stock turbo.

I did manage a 1.8 60 foot one point but my clutch smelled pretty bad after so I backed off a little.

Most of the runs I was shifting at redline. I backed it down t0 about 6k and I gained 2-3 mph and broke into the 13s.
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:49 AM   #2
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you should sift at 6.5k cause after that rpm is when you start to lose power. try that and maybe try launching at 6k good luck man.. i ran 12.7 at 106 60 ft was 1.811 and i made 305WHP with an ED tune form EQ tuning
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Old 01-18-2009, 03:24 AM   #3
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My redline is 6.5k.
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Old 01-18-2009, 03:58 AM   #4
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How were the track conditions there?
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:18 PM   #5
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nailing 2nd is key with a 5spd! But the 5spds are also weak and can break. I dont know if the 06s are stronger but i hope so if you plan on drag racing that car much.

Main thing is, dont get down on yourself and keep trying. It took me about a year or drag racing before i feel like i could drive my wrx very well. The launch is important but i personally think the shifts are equally as important.

Go back next week and try again. This time, concentrate on launch rpm and shifting to 2nd. If you start to do these thing properly you will notice a huge jump in you 330 time. Also...dont hot lap the car. Give the car a minimum of 30 minutes between passes. And ice the car(intercooler and intake manifold). Another thing. If you blow a launch and you know you blew it(i know this will be hard to do) Let out and come back around. Your car wont need as much cooldown time and it wasnt going to be a good run anyway. Less wear and tear is good.

Once you get this down...smacking third is going to be very important for your 1/8th mile time. I dont know how comfortable you are with flat foot shifting the car but it will minimize the rpm drop from the shift and help you. If yyou are afraid of flatfooting the car maybe only let half way off the throttle. Again, im not sure how strong these trannys are but if you are uncomfortable with this just shift the car as quickly as you can and let that be it. You are probably close to the 1/4 when you shift to 4th, i would recommend trying to just ride the limiter on one pass and then try shifting to 4th early another. Maybe at 6000.

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Old 01-18-2009, 03:05 PM   #6
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if you flat foot shift 3rd in a 06 or 07 you will be buying a trans soon ...
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Old 01-18-2009, 04:52 PM   #7
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That doesn't really seem far off for just a stage 2 wrx... mid/high 13's to low 14's i always thought was normal for stage 2 wrx's depending on how balls to the wall the tune is.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:50 PM   #8
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That doesn't really seem far off for just a stage 2 wrx... mid/high 13's to low 14's i always thought was normal for stage 2 wrx's depending on how balls to the wall the tune is.
Not for an 06.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:11 PM   #9
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Not for an 06.
Whats the diff? It's still a TD-04, the extra displacement doesnt matter if the turbo is the same.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:21 PM   #10
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Whats the diff? It's still a TD-04, the extra displacement doesnt matter if the turbo is the same.
lol wut

my stage 2 with a catless downpipe and spt catback went 13.50 @ 100. just a basic opensource reflash, not even a tune. never really shifted hard. im sure it could have went faster. i ended up cracking my trans so no more stage 2 for me
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:26 PM   #11
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Whats the diff? It's still a TD-04, the extra displacement doesnt matter if the turbo is the same.
The extra displacement will always have more low end torque on its own never mind the fact said displacement will make the turbo spool faster and that also means more torque. Torque is what gets you low ET's. Horsepower is directly related to trap speed.

I say try a track with corners.
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Whats the diff? It's still a TD-04, the extra displacement doesnt matter if the turbo is the same.
Look around and do some research. There's a lot of things changed from the 06+ wrx's. Come on are you honestly saying that? turbo size is same so displacement doesn't matter? Wow.......
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launch a bit higher, spinning at launch is your friend, less chance of something breaking.
plus smacking second is key to a good e/t
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How is my trap? It seems a little low. I thought stg2 wrx's trap at about 100 mph. Then again that could be my driving. I rarely drag race it. 2nd time in the last year and a half. If I had a 6 speed I would do it more, but not with the stock 5.

Also, no way in hell Im flat footing into 3rd. haha!
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the thing is trapspeed is quite tricky,

60ft, traction, and gearing, can play a big roll on the trap speed


but yes your trap looks on point with your 1/4 time considering 60 foot, and gearing


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Once you get this down...smacking third is going to be very important for your 1/8th mile time. I dont know how comfortable you are with flat foot shifting the car but it will minimize the rpm drop from the shift and help you. If yyou are afraid of flatfooting the car maybe only let half way off the throttle. Again, im not sure how strong these trannys are but if you are uncomfortable with this just shift the car as quickly as you can and let that be it. You are probably close to the 1/4 when you shift to 4th, i would recommend trying to just ride the limiter on one pass and then try shifting to 4th early another. Maybe at 6000.

Hope this helps a little. Post up next time and let us know.


flatfoot shifting doesnt really make you faster yes its true

its mainly a drivers preference

only time flatfoot shifting is an advantage, is when you have this such feature in your car, other wise its completely useless ( and NO cobb ap flatfoot shifting feature is not it )

and even if you did have the best flatfoot shifting feature out there,

its still comes down to how fast you can shift

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lol wut

my stage 2 with a catless downpipe and spt catback went 13.50 @ 100. just a basic opensource reflash, not even a tune. never really shifted hard. im sure it could have went faster. i ended up cracking my trans so no more stage 2 for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlII...e=channel_page

13.2 @ 101 with sim mods as the OP and flat floor shifting. So far my trans is just fine. it's all about the launch and slipping the clutch..i consistently cut 1.8 60 fts and have dipped into the 1.7 range a few times.

OP you need the driver mod badly. that car has almost a full second in it faster i can gaurantee that on a well preped track.
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the thing is trapspeed is quite tricky,

60ft, traction, and gearing, can play a big roll on the trap speed


but yes your trap looks on point with your 1/4 time considering 60 foot, and gearing






flatfoot shifting doesnt really make you faster yes its true

its mainly a drivers preference

only time flatfoot shifting is an advantage, is when you have this such feature in your car, other wise its completely useless ( and NO cobb ap flatfoot shifting feature is not it )

and even if you did have the best flatfoot shifting feature out there,

its still comes down to how fast you can shift
not true a buddy of mine has the exact same mods his is an 06 mine is an 07...he wasn't flat floor shifting i was....he was shifting at the same rpm as i was as well and was cutting sim. 60 ft times...it made anywhere from .3-.4ths of a second and a few mph. FFS never allows the car to slow down. if you do it right you can shift extremely fast making you faster.
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ffs makes all the difference. My car never comes off 30psi when i ffs. I would go out on a limb and say that .10 per shift is the gain of the well executed ffs.

downsti- I use an aem with the ffs program disabled and i ffs. On my 10.88 and 10.87 passes the car went a 6.98 and a 6.92 in the 1/8th mile with me shifting to 5th gear about 150ft before the 1/8th. I shifted 4 times in approx 6 seconds maybe less. And still accelerated to 98mph. My 330 time was a 4.49 on the 10.87 pass as well, probably in 4th gear. When i wasnt flatfoot shifting the car would come off power and the nose of the car would drop, loosing momentum.

I do agree with you on the shifting fast part. If you cant shift fast you will just bump the limiter and lose all momentum anyway.
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ffs makes all the difference. My car never comes off 30psi when i ffs. I would go out on a limb and say that .10 per shift is the gain of the well executed ffs.

downsti- I use an aem with the ffs program disabled and i ffs. On my 10.88 and 10.87 passes the car went a 6.98 and a 6.92 in the 1/8th mile with me shifting to 5th gear about 150ft before the 1/8th. I shifted 4 times in approx 6 seconds maybe less. And still accelerated to 98mph. My 330 time was a 4.49 on the 10.87 pass as well, probably in 4th gear. When i wasnt flatfoot shifting the car would come off power and the nose of the car would drop, loosing momentum.

I do agree with you on the shifting fast part. If you cant shift fast you will just bump the limiter and lose all momentum anyway.
+1...it's all about the technique. it took me several practive tries but i do it now w/o even thinking about it...if the car goes WOT the pedal stays there until i am ready to shut it down.
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+1...it's all about the technique. it took me several practive tries but i do it now w/o even thinking about it...if the car goes WOT the pedal stays there until i am ready to shut it down.
+3 I have been runing the stock TD04 for about 2 years now on a clark tuned map that put down 301 @ the wheels.....

ive been around 13.145 range about half a year ago..... and my trans is perfect still.... its all about how you drive it. and then how you take care of it after ward.. Learn to drive the car.... then take it to the track. If you are going to keep going for the 1/4 i would recomend a cry02 kit that things keeps the cars temp very low
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It's launching and then shifting...0_o
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13.2 @ 101 with sim mods as the OP and flat floor shifting. So far my trans is just fine. it's all about the launch and slipping the clutch..i consistently cut 1.8 60 fts and have dipped into the 1.7 range a few times.

OP you need the driver mod badly. that car has almost a full second in it faster i can gaurantee that on a well preped track.
thats not saying much, its totally different driver and totally different car, it may have the same motor, same weight, same mod, theirs so many different factors that can alter the 1/4 time

im sure you know all engine are not created equal, all engine response to mod differently, all tune are also not created equal,

" X " amount of mods doenst equal 1/4 time




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not true a buddy of mine has the exact same mods his is an 06 mine is an 07...he wasn't flat floor shifting i was....he was shifting at the same rpm as i was as well and was cutting sim. 60 ft times...it made anywhere from .3-.4ths of a second and a few mph. FFS never allows the car to slow down. if you do it right you can shift extremely fast making you faster.
not true?

i dont even know how and where to begin to reply to this post,

not flat foot shifting has nothing to do with his time, even if he did flat foot shift, it still comes down to how fast he can clutch in clutch out and shifting the shifter to the next gear, you can flat foot shift all you want, but if you can shift fast enough theres really no point of doing it,

he maybe be shifting at the RPM he claims but, if his not timing it right and shifting fast enough to take full advantage on of the shift points

if you shift fast enough, you will not see the car slow down between shift

its clearly that you cant shift fast doin the normal routine, and you prefer can shift faster with only 1 leg moving

with me i can shift fast doing flat foot shift method, but i can shift alot faster using a different style of shifting, like the normal routine

and no my car does not drop power between shift, i can chirp the re070 tires on 2nd and 3rd gear shift with the stock turbo

like i said in my other post it comes down to how fast you can shift, flat foot shifting is just one of the style,



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ffs makes all the difference. My car never comes off 30psi when i ffs. I would go out on a limb and say that .10 per shift is the gain of the well executed ffs.

downsti- I use an aem with the ffs program disabled and i ffs. On my 10.88 and 10.87 passes the car went a 6.98 and a 6.92 in the 1/8th mile with me shifting to 5th gear about 150ft before the 1/8th. I shifted 4 times in approx 6 seconds maybe less. And still accelerated to 98mph. My 330 time was a 4.49 on the 10.87 pass as well, probably in 4th gear. When i wasnt flatfoot shifting the car would come off power and the nose of the car would drop, loosing momentum.

I do agree with you on the shifting fast part. If you cant shift fast you will just bump the limiter and lose all momentum anyway.

fast shifting is fast shifting,

its clearly you prefer flat foot shifting, over the normal style of shifting, hence why you have such a great result when you do flat foot shifting, and not so much with the normal style of shifting

ask your self this, " is the speed of my shifting using the flat foot shifting method as fast as doing normal style shifting? "

if you answere that question, you will know what im trying to argue here, a reason why your nose is dropping between shifts

i was able to run 11.7xx with 1.70 60ft shifting 4 times with NO flat foot shifting with stock turbo VF39 STi

so if i was able to cut 1.60x 60ft (.100) and i manage to perform a perfect flat foot shift on all 4 shift, (.400) does that mean i can run 11.2xx with the VF39?





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+1...it's all about the technique. it took me several practive tries but i do it now w/o even thinking about it...if the car goes WOT the pedal stays there until i am ready to shut it down.

yes its all about technique, my technique is different from yours for achieving fast shifts




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+3 I have been runing the stock TD04 for about 2 years now on a clark tuned map that put down 301 @ the wheels.....

ive been around 13.145 range about half a year ago..... and my trans is perfect still.... its all about how you drive it. and then how you take care of it after ward.. Learn to drive the car.... then take it to the track. If you are going to keep going for the 1/4 i would recomend a cry02 kit that things keeps the cars temp very low

i like i stated above totally different car from yours
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^^ then you don't flat floor shift then...i'll continue to and be faster..

where is the b*tchslap smilie when you need it!
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yea you go do that, Mr. fast guy


watch this video this is my good friend Jesse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWw4n...e=channel_page

he ran 13.321 @ 100.32mph

WITH ONLY A BOSAL DOWNPIPE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS COMPLETELY BONE STOCK

and guess what buddy, He was NOT flat foot shifting at all


didnt it take you to do that with Intake, full TBE, and a Tune?

well you should be bitch slapping your self,

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to his defense, Arizona has a crappy density altitude. 91 octane piss gas, and it was only his 2nd time at the track. give him a break. this is a track where sti's run 14's all day
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