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Old 01-20-2009, 01:16 PM   #1
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Default Laptimes at wsir??

Quick Question for you west coasters.

I am not seeing a lot of lap times for WSIR 2.5 course. I am trying to judge if 1.31/1.29 is a good time?

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Old 01-21-2009, 03:53 AM   #2
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Quick Question for you west coasters.

I am not seeing a lot of lap times for WSIR 2.5 course. I am trying to judge if 1.31/1.29 is a good time?

Thanks for helping out.
We run 1:36 on a good day/cold weather in a spec miata. 1:37s on a hot/ average day.

Saying that, those times are not too bad.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:34 AM   #3
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great, I am looking at a spec racer and trying to see how it Compares to others I have looked at and driven on the east side
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Spec Racer Ford, or Spec Miata? A SRF is a couple seconds faster.
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:10 PM   #6
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Your best bet is to look at online race results or mylaps info from clubs that run the class you're interested in (Cal Club?)

Laptimes at WSIR can vary by several seconds depending on weather so check a lot of events.

I could give you a bunch of Porsche lap times from my club but I don't think that will help you much...
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Have you been to Specracer.com?

My other question would be how much time do you have in a Spec Racer? Unless you are a consistant front runner in a spec racer, you wont notice the difference between a "bad" chassis and a "good" one.
Considering the motors are sealed, they are a bigger deciding factor, and there are other attributes that would have a bigger impact on price.
AND considering you could race the car for a couple seasons, decide something isn't quite right with that car, you can sell it for as much if not more than you bought it for.

I've been racing them off and on for 7+years and know quite few people involved with them. If you PM me the sellers name and area I might be able to get more info about the car.



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Old 01-22-2009, 01:24 PM   #8
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Your best bet is to look at online race results or mylaps info from clubs that run the class you're interested in (Cal Club?)

Laptimes at WSIR can vary by several seconds depending on weather so check a lot of events.

I could give you a bunch of Porsche lap times from my club but I don't think that will help you much...
That was the issue, there wasn't much in the way of lap times in mylaps for that track.

Quite a few for the streets of willow though.
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Have you been to Specracer.com?

My other question would be how much time do you have in a Spec Racer? Unless you are a consistant front runner in a spec racer, you wont notice the difference between a "bad" chassis and a "good" one.
Considering the motors are sealed, they are a bigger deciding factor, and there are other attributes that would have a bigger impact on price.
AND considering you could race the car for a couple seasons, decide something isn't quite right with that car, you can sell it for as much if not more than you bought it for.

I've been racing them off and on for 7+years and know quite few people involved with them. If you PM me the sellers name and area I might be able to get more info about the car.
I've been in a spec Miata for more than a few years now. I also co-drive a Radical SR3. The car is an ex-Terri Rossi car. I have not been able to get the chassis number yet. I can forward the details once I have them.

I am looking at three different options for my next move. They are SRF, Toyota World Challenge, and FFR Challenge. I like all three of them. I have driven the SRF and FFRC cars. The SRF seems the closest to actual spec due to the Sealed components. The FFRC cars seem like a good bet as well since they have a good crowd and also offer a passenger space for instructing and such.
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Old 01-22-2009, 01:30 PM   #10
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Have you been to Specracer.com?

My other question would be how much time do you have in a Spec Racer? Unless you are a consistant front runner in a spec racer, you wont notice the difference between a "bad" chassis and a "good" one.
Considering the motors are sealed, they are a bigger deciding factor, and there are other attributes that would have a bigger impact on price.
AND considering you could race the car for a couple seasons, decide something isn't quite right with that car, you can sell it for as much if not more than you bought it for.

I've been racing them off and on for 7+years and know quite few people involved with them. If you PM me the sellers name and area I might be able to get more info about the car.
I've been a spec Miata for a few years now. I also co-drive a Radical SR3. The car is an ex-Terri Rossie car. I have not been able to get the chassis number yet. I can forward the details once I have them.

I have been to Specracer.com and Lee Fleming of Champion Motorsports is offering to help me look up some details on the car. I am looking at three different options for my next move. They are SRF, Toyota World Challenge, and FFR Challenge. I like all three of them. I have driven the SRF and FFRC cars. The SRF seems the closest to actual spec due to the Sealed components. The FFRC cars seem like a good bet as well since they have a good crowd and also offer a passenger space for instructing and such.


BTW is #98 taking a short cut?
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I've been a spec Miata for a few years now. I also co-drive a Radical SR3. The car is an ex-Terri Rossie car. I have not been able to get the chassis number yet. I can forward the details once I have them.

I have been to Specracer.com and Lee Fleming of Champion Motorsports is offering to help me look up some details on the car. I am looking at three different options for my next move. They are SRF, Toyota World Challenge, and FFR Challenge. I like all three of them. I have driven the SRF and FFRC cars. The SRF seems the closest to actual spec due to the Sealed components. The FFRC cars seem like a good bet as well since they have a good crowd and also offer a passenger space for instructing and such.


BTW is #98 taking a short cut?
Lee's a good guy. If he says it's good car, then it is.

you've got some pretty contrasting cars your looking at. With a SRF you'll find it's the most competitive out of the bunch. With that I mean the cars are almost identical, Lee could probably get any of them within 1/4 sec of his car. I'll venture to say the differences in laptimes are 98% drivers caused. The differences in motor, chasis, suspension make the other 2%. You simple can't make mistakes in srf. There's no HP to make up for them. If you thought Spec Miata was tight, wait till you race a SRF.

IMO SRF makes an incredible driver development step. If you can drive a SRF well, you can drive anything well. I'll go out on a limb and say if you run SRF for a few races and get the hang of it, get back in the radical and you'll see your lap times drop. If you run SRF expecting to win quickly, you'll probably be pretty dissapointed. Even if you are already a pretty good driver.

back when trans-am was running in Portland, Paul Getalozzi and another driver ran a SRF race to get tracktime. For as good as they are/were, the best they managed was 6th. And they were in race winning cars. Lee probably remembers that race. He would have/should have finished ahead of them.

BTW things to look for that will vary the price are things like a Stack/MoTeC/AIM dash or data-ac. system, Penske shocks, Wheels, Butler seat, time since last motor rebuild.

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Yes, they are all quite different, but each has it's own attributes that I am looking for.
They are all three fairly competitive in their class. The SRF is a true spec series and is very easy on the wallet compared to other venues. The TWC cars are quick and still competitive in DSR. They use 90% off the shelf OEM parts and are a lot of fun to drive. The FFRC is a very active series, the parts are OEM, and they can also run in ITR or SPO with little changes. If you are willing to have extra motors and such, they can be very competitive in SPO out of the box. All can be had for under $20K.

As far as winning right away, I don't see that happening no matter what I get into next. So my expectations are set accordingly. I mostly want something that is fun that I can find a good group to run with and at least stay Mid-pack at first. I must say though, the FFRC cars are raw and loud and I really like that too (coming from a Datsun Z ITS car in my past)
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