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Old 01-19-2009, 03:14 PM   #1
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See below photo. I asked for:

-1.5 camber front, -1.0 camber rear, 0 toe front, 1/16 toe out rear

Running HotBits DT1 gravel setup, so it has camber bolts in the rear. This was the first alignment done on the car since the coilovers were installed, and a week had passed (and 120 miles) before I requested the alignment.

Is it me, or did they completely not do what I asked?



I'm going back to get them to fix the front at least, and have them take a stab at actually getting everything else closer. Thoughts?
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:38 PM   #2
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looks to me like they did a "green" toe alignment, and didnt even bother with camber for the fronts. Didnt do anything at all with the rear...
you got hosed
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:39 PM   #3
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Well, to be fair, I have the lifetime alignment so I didn't pay a dime But I think that was part of the motivating factor in their work effort as well.

I called them and am heading back to get it redone this evening.
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:13 PM   #4
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i had your same numbers except -2.5 on front for autox
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:34 PM   #5
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See below photo. I asked for:

-1.5 camber front, -1.0 camber rear, 0 toe front, 1/16 toe out rear

Running HotBits DT1 gravel setup, so it has camber bolts in the rear. This was the first alignment done on the car since the coilovers were installed, and a week had passed (and 120 miles) before I requested the alignment.

Is it me, or did they completely not do what I asked?



I'm going back to get them to fix the front at least, and have them take a stab at actually getting everything else closer. Thoughts?

somebody above said it....

you got hosed
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:56 PM   #6
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Update: I took it back and had them try again with the new specs (just to see if they were paying attention). Well, they didn't start on my car until 6:30p (1/2 hour before closing) and messed it up even worse. Now, because of my rideheight I will likely need camber bolts to get as close as to my specs as requested:



Car drives HORRIBLY now. It's pretty clear from the results. They gave up halfway through.

So, I've got some aftermarket bolts coming in to add some more camber. I'll get the bolts installed and then take it down there for a third time to see how they do.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:13 PM   #7
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WTF did they do to the rear of your car? They absolutely destroyed the thing. Go to a real alignment shop and pay the money to have a correct alignment done.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:15 AM   #8
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looks like you went to a firestone type place. they really make their dime on dd passenger cars, they really fall off on the performance side. you might get lucky and have a knowledgeable tech but not likely. you have to understand what they are thinking, "why would you want -2deg of camber, thats wrong".

for this it is required you show up early, bring reserve amounts of patience, and be on hand (watch from as close as possible) for the job. the last is a pain in the ass for the tech and you, but, they have already showed their incompetence.

the least they should have done is got you as close as possible, made the left and right side even. the shop closing is no excuse for not finishing the job, they shouldnt have started.

the first job looks like they didnt even look at your request, they just got you within subaru specs.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:25 AM   #9
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their printouts make no sense... yesterday the 'after' front cambers were -0.5 / +0.1 and today the 'before' values are -1.3 and +0.9 ???

yes you will need camber bolts to get the rear camber you want but on an 02 sedan the front should go to -1.5* with the stock adjusters unless something is bent
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:06 AM   #10
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It only took me one experience like this to realize that I could do a better job myself.

To be fair though, these places are set up to ensure alignment is within factory specs on a stock car. You may be expecting too much from them.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:27 AM   #11
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That's standard in the alignment industry. It's refered to as a "Toe & Go". I have friends that are car nuts and autocross etc that are managers and employees at alignment places,..and they don't set anything but toe. They'll tell you that all the customer cares about is that the steering wheel is straight.

Most any alignment shop will ONLY set the toe,..and never check the other settings.

Most alignment rack operators don't even know HOW to check caster. (Checking caster requires the operator to turn the wheel to the right, sometimes press a button,..then turn it to the left, and sometimes press a buttton,....and then straighten it back out. If they do an adjustment,..they will have to repeat this procedure. You'll NEVER see that happen).


So I bought a laser level thingy from Black & Decker and do mine myself.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:46 PM   #12
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Well there's your problem right there. Don't get your car aligned where you get your dog his shots.

Seriously though, I would take it somewhere else as they seem to have no idea what is up. What good is free lifetime alignments when they can't get them right? When I brought my car to Firestone I got lucky. When I told the tech the specs I wanted he asked if I autocrossed and it turns out he had run with the same group as I do. So he knew what he was doing and where I was coming from.

That place sounds like a butchershop.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:38 PM   #13
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What good is free lifetime alignments when they can't get them right?
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What kind of suspension do you have that comes w/ camber bolts in the rear? I think you may have the wrong suspension possibly- look at your first printout your rear camber is 1.1 and 1.5- it's in red because it's POSITVE, if it was neg it would be green and normal

what kind of suspension changes the rear camber by ~ 3 degrees???? a normal camber bolt is not going to over come that much camber

the guys doing the alignment are obviously not rocket scientists, but I'd be much more concerned w/ exactly what suspension you have bolted onto your car
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:47 PM   #15
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You could try talking to the tech, and greasing his palm abit. This might get you what you want.
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What kind of suspension do you have that comes w/ camber bolts in the rear? I think you may have the wrong suspension possibly- look at your first printout your rear camber is 1.1 and 1.5- it's in red because it's POSITVE, if it was neg it would be green and normal

what kind of suspension changes the rear camber by ~ 3 degrees???? a normal camber bolt is not going to over come that much camber

the guys doing the alignment are obviously not rocket scientists, but I'd be much more concerned w/ exactly what suspension you have bolted onto your car
or what the bent trying to align it wrong
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Agreed that +2.3 in the rear is a red flag.
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