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Old 04-03-2002, 11:45 PM   #1
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Default What's the best AutoX Suspension Setup???

I'm looking for a great AutoX Suspension setup that can also be used as a daily driver. My eyes are set on the M2 40mm DMS Coilovers and M2 Sway Bars due to the great review in SCC. I've also taken a look at the Stage 2 and Stage 3 Cobb setups and they look impressive as well. Any opinions??? Other setups?

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Old 04-03-2002, 11:51 PM   #2
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Depends on what AutoX class you are looking to be in... If you are going for STX/ESP/SM then the M2 DMS40s would probably be a good choice. If you are staying in DS then the Cobb struts would be the ultimate probably, although they are $$$.
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Old 04-03-2002, 11:58 PM   #3
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I'm going to focus on STX. Just the right amount of mods, but not to open to the point where I'd have to drop lots of $ to keep competitive. You're right...Cobb struts are major $$$...
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the suspension setup is the same for ESP and STX. I think your choice in struts might be a bit harse for the street, or at least that is what I have heard second hand. I have heard it's ok too. I have the whiteline swaybars installed, I don't know if there is any difference between the M2 and whiteline. Whiteline sells their bars under several different names. if they are pastel blue, then they are probably whiteline bars.

after installing DMS golds, I plan to stay with DMS struts. The Cobb units look good, but for the price you can have DMS 50's built to your specs.

The money is relative... I have spent more than I wanted to on the suspension, but it's what had to be done to remain competitive.
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Old 04-04-2002, 07:23 PM   #5
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I'll be using Cusco Zero-2Rs for similar purposes
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the best for STX?

koni double adjustables.

cost a lot? yeah but you wanted the best.

most of the coilover kits aren't as suited to autocrossing. The low speed tight corners of autocrossing are a very special situation...
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Well the best is the driver. Hands down, no better mod then upgrading the driver.
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Old 04-04-2002, 09:11 PM   #9
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I'd love to see some numbers on the Cusco Zero-2Rs. Does anyone know where I can see some results? Skidpad test? Slalom Speed? I've seen results from the Cusco L02s and they didn't look near as good as the M2 40mm DMS coilovers. Of course, there were several variables involved (sway bars, strut bars, tires, etc.). Not to mention, the joust and rebound adjustments.

I agree on the driver bit. I'm signed up for AutoX driver school next weekend National champs will be there to coach and ride with you. Should be a great learning experience.
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Old 04-04-2002, 09:14 PM   #10
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the best for STX?

koni double adjustables.

cost a lot? yeah but you wanted the best.

most of the coilover kits aren't as suited to autocrossing. The low speed tight corners of autocrossing are a very special situation...
jmott,

You have any data on the konis? Why do you think a strut/spring combo would be better than coilovers? Just trying to learn...

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well, I guess it depends on how super-duper serious you are about racing. If you REALLY wanna win and have the know how?

Ohlin quadruple-adjustable struts, set-up the high-speed dampening then weld those down so that you have low-speed bounce and jounce adjustment.

From what I know, Cuscos are so-so. IIRC, Cusco use rebadged tokico struts then just match springs to 'em. Japanese suspension are generally like that though. GAB, Sustec? Nothing more than revalved and rebadged KYBs.

Auto-xing does require a different suspension setup than road-racing or anything else. You are trying to unbalance and upset the car (at least in the rear) to get that thing to ROTATE!!! Road-racing demands more of ultimate-grip and balance.

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and, undoubtedly, undoubtedly, undoubtedly its ALL Driver. My STS division has a guy in a Sentra SE w/ springs, struts, and ok tires. No intake, no exhaust. SE!! NOt even a SE-R!! And he's still undefeated, against a whole slew of STS prepped cars (including my RS *sniff, sniff*)
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jmott,

You have any data on the konis? Why do you think a strut/spring combo would be better than coilovers? Just trying to learn...

-Eric
All I know is that cobb tuning developed the koni shock specs based on the experimentation on their SMOD national level autocross WRX. They tried cusco coilovers at first and found them to be terrible for autocrossing (whilst they still reccomend them for road racing)
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