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Old 04-04-2002, 02:35 PM   #1
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Default You want the Legacy B4, Legacy Turbo or Six Cyl....

....let FHI/Japan know right here.....

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Click on the text under the Blitzen pic

I said both Turbo and Six Cyl with more horses...but leaned more on the Turbo...plus marketing aspect and competition...

The ideal engine configuration has already been set, it's just a matter of tuning and compression, so....horsepower is the way to go....that's what consumers like us are looking for......

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Old 04-04-2002, 05:33 PM   #2
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Got a link to more specs on the Legacy B4? I'd like to learn a little more about it.
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Old 04-04-2002, 08:32 PM   #3
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Got a link to more specs on the Legacy B4? I'd like to learn a little more about it.
The Unofficial Legacy B4 RSK website

Since *someone* is probably sleeping off a major hangover, I'll pre-empt him this time.

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Old 04-04-2002, 09:27 PM   #4
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mmmm, Legacy B4. I love that thing. Tough call between a turbo and 6cyl... But I think I'd have to say turbo, since it's cheaper to make faster
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Old 04-04-2002, 09:40 PM   #5
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What about a turbo 6 cylinder? biturbo baby...they could make a b4 wagon to directly compete w/ an rs4
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Old 04-05-2002, 08:40 AM   #6
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Unfortunately, none of the RS-series Audi wagons are coming to these shores. See, the Euros LOVE wagons. Here, station wagons still suffer from that "woody" syndrome.

The new RS6 Avant is some 450-hp of 4.5-second 0-60 wagon. The sedan is coming, but will be about $80K.

Turbo, no question. The H6 is a torque beast, but not a performance beast.

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Old 04-05-2002, 10:40 AM   #7
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I also think we need to consider that a 6 cyl turbo would be too costly.... It would not be a good marketing approach...

Subaru would only have to compete against the S6...

H6 has tons of torque but just like gtguy said....no performance.

Subaru will make an expensive marketing approach trying to upscale to a bi-turbo six.

Bi-Turbo 4 Boxer will do just fine. It would eat an S4 for Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner and have the S6 as an appetizer...with some mods of course - clarifying that a 4 cyl and compete easily with a 6 cyl.

Legacy Turbo would be ok....but Twin Turbo would be the best marketing move Subaru could do.

Me..I'd prefer the B4 than a Legacy Turbo. If Subaru sticks a single turbo on a heavy car like the Legacy...chances are it won't sell as much as they think....
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for a car like the Legacy, I think sequential twin-turbo's would be the way to go...that way it would have a lot of the low-end punch that the WRX misses...
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Old 04-05-2002, 01:00 PM   #9
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Since the 6 cyl is automatic only ... I'll have to say B4. Why turbo when you can have 2 with B4?
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Old 04-08-2002, 09:57 AM   #10
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Keeping this alive...

FHI HAS to listen...
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Old 04-09-2002, 01:22 PM   #11
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Why can't the MT go on the H6? H6 is still
going to have less power/torque than an STi, which
will have the 6 spd MT.
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Old 04-09-2002, 03:07 PM   #12
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My prediction:
Legacy 6 before the end of MY 03.
Legacy turbo (maybe a B4 or B4 influenced Legacy) for MY 04.

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Old 04-09-2002, 04:23 PM   #13
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Now that's what I'm saying.... Hopefully B4 by year '04-'05..

My RS will be paid off and I'll have another Suby.... that will be good cause there's alot of cars coming out with 260 HP minimum, i.e. Altima, G34, Lexus, and so on...of course, they're not AWD but some are RWD and that changes people's minds.....

Hope you guys sent your email to FHI

I think the 6 would be good for torque but low on HP....there won't be a big market for it unless Subaru pushes at least 250 HP out of it....which is very doubtful. Now a Twin Turbo 4 would be essential and smart marketing...
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Old 04-10-2002, 09:08 AM   #14
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Guys, these emails don't go to FHI! Use some common sense. That webpage is owned by a guy who works for a Sube dealer in Minnesota. FHI doesn't know who he is, and probably doesn't care.

Unless you're adept at writing emails in Japanese and know an email address we don't, nobody at FHI is hearing a word you say.
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Old 04-10-2002, 09:13 AM   #15
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what he said. This is just some guy...though yeah, I did email him, and maybe he can get these to SOA...but even that is a stretch. Expecting this to get to FHI, though... nah, I wouldn't count on it.
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Old 04-10-2002, 11:28 AM   #16
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Ok...so even if you're right....somebody has got to be hearing even if he's providing all the info that's on the web....

I don't think that's naive....
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Old 04-10-2002, 11:36 AM   #17
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Ya, the guy is hearing it and reading your emails, and he's probably bringing it up to his manager over coffee. His manager will probably say, "Oh, email umm ya ok, ummm, ok that's nice. How many Foresters did you say we still have in stock? OK, let's gear up the sales team and make this weekend's Super Mega Blowout Sale the best ever... we've got cars to move people! Enough playing on the internet! Sell sell sell!"
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Old 04-10-2002, 12:55 PM   #18
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Porter and JGard -
Scott Putnam isn't just some salesguy. I've been following his site for 5 years and several times he's mentioned speaking with FHI reps, giving them feedback for new models and changes.
Maybe some guys from MN or even Scott himself will provide more info.

Actually, you can just post your suggestions for new models here on the i-club. I know that there are folks at SoA as well as Subaru R & D that pass our ideas to Product Planning and FHI.

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Old 04-10-2002, 01:10 PM   #19
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Well, from what the people at SOA have told us repeatedly, they have very little input on what models get released in the US. Those decisions are made in Japan and pretty much dictated to the little US marketing company called SoA that handles Subaru's US corporate affairs. The Subaru test center up in Michigan isn't even affiliated with SoA... they answer to Japan.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that past experience has led me to radically different conclusions. Rarely (if ever) have reps from Fuji Heavy Industries interacted in the US at the dealership level. That relationship is controlled by SoA, and as I said before SoA doesn't call the shots.
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I realize SoA doesn't call the shots, but they do pass our ideas (and that of the media) along to FHI. The '03 Legacy with sport-shift is a good example.

There's a guy that's been a member of the i-club for a while now, that works at Subaru R&D. Occasionally, he'll post questions/polls to get suggestions for meetings with FHI.

Another i-clubber that I know, met an FHI rep at a dealer in FL two years ago and they talked about the WRX.

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Scott Putnam isn't just some salesguy. I've been following his site for 5 years and several times he's mentioned speaking with FHI reps, giving them feedback for new models and changes.
Maybe some guys from MN or even Scott himself will provide more info.
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Guys, these emails don't go to FHI! Use some common sense. That webpage is owned by a guy who works for a Sube dealer in Minnesota. FHI doesn't know who he is, and probably doesn't care.
Unless you're adept at writing emails in Japanese and know an email address we don't, nobody at FHI is hearing a word you say.
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what he said. This is just some guy...though yeah, I did email him, and maybe he can get these to SOA...but even that is a stretch. Expecting this to get to FHI, though... nah, I wouldn't count on it.
Scott has quite a few connections in Subaru of Japan/FHI, and regularly hosts Subaru engineers and executives who come to America for whatever reasons. He collects and forwards these emails to the right people, like execs and engineers - many of whom speak enough english to understand "more power" or "more trunk space" or "more towing capacity".

In addition to being "a sales guy", he codrives for a local rally driver (in a WRX), is a major sponsor of the Ojibwe Forests ProRally, the SCCA-LOL rallycross series, and the Arkansaw (Wisconsin) Rallysprint series. He might sponsor Headwaters, too, but I can't remmeber.

When he recently moved from Morries Subaru to Bloomington Acura Subaru, the sponsor logos on the local rally web pages did too. Imagine starting a new job and telling your employer to cough up major dollars for rally sponsorships.

Scott is a reasonably big fish. Whether or not your email makes it to FHI depends on how stupid your email is.


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Old 04-10-2002, 02:47 PM   #22
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Thanks for the clarification.
And it's "mentally challenged".

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Also, I have never purchased a car from Scott, I don't work for him, and I haven't seen him in months.
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Good...at least I know that my knowledgeable and educated email would be read....

Thanks for clearing up what could have been another "bashing thread" with people who don't have the information straighten out or are more driven by poor judgement
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Scott has quite a few connections in Subaru of Japan/FHI, and regularly hosts Subaru engineers and executives who come to America for whatever reasons. He collects and forwards these emails to the right people, like execs and engineers - many of whom speak enough english to understand "more power" or "more trunk space" or "more towing capacity".

In addition to being "a sales guy", he codrives for a local rally driver (in a WRX), is a major sponsor of the Ojibwe Forests ProRally, the SCCA-LOL rallycross series, and the Arkansaw (Wisconsin) Rallysprint series. He might sponsor Headwaters, too, but I can't remmeber.

When he recently moved from Morries Subaru to Bloomington Acura Subaru, the sponsor logos on the local rally web pages did too. Imagine starting a new job and telling your employer to cough up major dollars for rally sponsorships.

Scott is a reasonably big fish. Whether or not your email makes it to FHI depends on how stupid your email is.

I stand corrected. Scott Putnam must be the most powerful car salesman in America.
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