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Old 01-27-2009, 02:23 AM   #1
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Well, I messed up my stock oil pan when doing my uppipe install. I put about 5 2x4" wooden blocks under the oil pan and jacked it up too high.....

There is a big dent in the pan, and when I look at the oil level on the dipstick, it reads about 1 quart too high...

So I looked around, and I've been able to get these parts;
1. STi oil pan
2. Oil pick up
3. Dip stick + tube

The only thing I'm missing is the baffle.
How important is this?
Q1) Can I reuse my stock baffle (02WRX) baffle?

Also,
The oil pick up I got (07 STi) looks like this;
The one on the left.


However, the dip stick that I got (Supposely 07 STi) looks like this;
The one on the bottom. But it looks just like my 02 dip stick.


Q2) Can an 07 STi guy let me know what your dip stick looks like?

ugh...I'm never jacking the motor from the oil pan again......
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:18 AM   #2
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Well first off, You should known not to jack it up from the oil pan. There is a nice beefy place on the cross member.

But Yes you should be fine running with the parts you have. I dont see why you cant use your oil stick.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:53 AM   #3
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Well first off, You should known not to jack it up from the oil pan. There is a nice beefy place on the cross member.

kinda hard to lift the engine up if you are jacking on the crossmember... He wasn't trying to lift the car, just the engine to get the uppipe out.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:09 PM   #4
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Anyone know if the baffle makes a difference?
Do I need to get an STi baffle?

Thanks!
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:16 PM   #5
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Well, I missed up my stock oil pan when doing my uppipe install.
The above is 100% unnecessary.

Installiing the uppipe DOES IN NO POSSIBLE WAY REQUIRE JACKING UP THE ENGINE.

Just so others find this and DONT do what you did.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:24 PM   #6
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^^^^I agree.....

I was reading the scoobymod uppipe install, and it said to jack up the motor, and remove the uppipe from the top...

The easier way is to remove the passenger exhaust manifold, and remove the uppipe from the bottom of the car!

But to get back to my original post,

do I need a STi baffle???
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:29 PM   #7
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If you switch to the STI oilpan, you'll need EL headers too.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:45 PM   #8
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^^^^Are you sure?

Isn't switching to the STi pan just for the possibility to use EL headers in the future?

I can use my stock UEL headers, correct?
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:05 PM   #9
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^^^^I agree.....


The easier way is to remove the passenger exhaust manifold, and remove the uppipe from the bottom of the car!
While the above is possible...it is NOT NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE MANIFOLD, EITHER

By either removing the stock EGT or cuttting cable as close to the hex as possible(boltcutters or dremel) or simply bending cable shield over as close as possible to the up as possible....it is VERY possible to take the stock UP out over the top and back, once the DP is out of the way(dropping the entire TBE IN ONE PIECE out of the way is very easy)....in minutes.


This is one of those things that nobody knew about when the 'DIY'" were written and they never posted the WAY EASIER way to do it....Just like simply taking the 'IGN' fuse out to pre-oil the turbo ranther than ****ing around with unplugging sensors and all that bull****
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:32 PM   #10
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^^^^Are you sure?

Isn't switching to the STi pan just for the possibility to use EL headers in the future?

I can use my stock UEL headers, correct?

you dont need el headers your stock one will work fine

on the baffle i'm not sure
try to find a pic of the stock baffle see if it looks the same as yours

edit here a pic of a 04 sti baffle
http://www.innovativetuning.com/cata...516r2a9he5oca7
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:37 PM   #11
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Well, here is a picture of the baffle.
The STi one is on the left.


I don't really understand what the baffle does, but I can't imagine what the difference would be???
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:40 PM   #12
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hrmm ya I'd think you would want a sti baffle dont mess around with that

try the dealer or one of the venders on here
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:56 PM   #13
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I don't really understand what the baffle does, but I can't imagine what the difference would be???
The baffle keeps the oil in the bottom of the pan close to the pick up. I wouldn't run without the proper one.

There used to be a lot of talk about different oils used in Subaru's. People were spinning bearings. This was attributed to "bad" oils. In my opinion some of these failures were because of oil pick up or low oil level problems. Many would argue with me though....

It might be a good time to upgrade this part but the only company that I know makes one is Cosworth and its $300.

Seems like this would be a good product for someone else to make.....Grimmspeed?
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Old 01-27-2009, 04:34 PM   #14
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The baffle keeps the oil in the bottom of the pan close to the pick up. I wouldn't run without the proper one.

There used to be a lot of talk about different oils used in Subaru's. People were spinning bearings. This was attributed to "bad" oils. In my opinion some of these failures were because of oil pick up or low oil level problems. Many would argue with me though....

It might be a good time to upgrade this part but the only company that I know makes one is Cosworth and its $300.

Seems like this would be a good product for someone else to make.....Grimmspeed?

These 'low oil level' problems are DIRECTLY related to oil burn off due to using the wrong oil....almost ALWAYS 5w30 M1 or RP
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Thanks for the pic!


I still don't see how the STi baffle will make a difference.....

FWIW, the stock baffle looks like it would keep more of the oil at the bottom of the pan.

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you dont need el headers your stock one will work fine

on the baffle i'm not sure
try to find a pic of the stock baffle see if it looks the same as yours

edit here a pic of a 04 sti baffle
http://www.innovativetuning.com/cata...516r2a9he5oca7
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:59 PM   #16
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You do not need equal length headers to run the STI pan. The STI comes out of the factory with un-equal length. You will however need and STI oil pan to run equal length headers in the future.

If you are swtching to an STI oil pan you will need the pick up tube and the dipstick to go with it. As for the baffle I would think using the one that came with your engine would be the best. The baffle plate is designed to keep oil in the pan so lubrication is controlled and consistent rather than splashing all over your internals randomly. I would think the plate designed specifically for your engine would do the best job of this.

Hope this help
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Where did you find those parts by the way? I am looking for a good deal on STI oil pan, pickup tube and dipstick. Care to hook a brotha up?
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These 'low oil level' problems are DIRECTLY related to oil burn off due to using the wrong oil....almost ALWAYS 5w30 M1 or RP
Which is almost ALWAYS what people run around here.

The failures are not limited to M1 users.

In any case check your oil and run a baffle.
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:25 PM   #19
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^^^^Yea..I'm still trying to figure out which is the best baffle....haha....geez

Do I use my stock MY02 baffle that matches the MY02 engine, or buy a STi baffle that matches the STi oil pan!!!

Anyone who has done this swap, what did you do?
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Which is almost ALWAYS what people run around here.

NOT true

The failures are not limited to M1 users.

In any case check your oil and run a baffle.
NO....but the VAST MAJORITY are....just dont use it...no really
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^^^

Do you have any oil analysis or threads with oil analysis to back that up?

Granted I dont use Mobil 1 so its a mute point but oil burn is a direct relation to oils viscosity. If viscosity doesnt drop off there is no reason it will burn faster then any other oil.

Fuel dilution can effect viscosity and leaking turbo seals, seals, and rings can cause an oil to burn faster. Both of these will obviously not be effected by different oils....

Only thing I can find is people saying in one thread they never used Mobil 1 ever and then in another thread saying there car used to burn Mobil 1 until they switched to RP. NOW they say that burns (new fad) and have switched to something else.

Where if I search it online or on bobs oil I get things like this. http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html which have a guy that went 18k miles without problems on Mobil 1. I've personally went about 150k on a supercharged tacoma with M1 5w30 with no problems changing every 3000 to 5000 miles...
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I use M1(10W-30) in my VW's and RP(10W-30) in my Subarus and never have had a problem. Oil changes every 2,500 to 3,500 miles.
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Well, I didn't want this thread to turn into an oil war...

I just want to know if I can reuse my old stock baffle?
Or do I need to use an STi baffle?

Another question, I have a used STi oil pan, what can I use to clean out the old oil that is left behind?
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Another question, I have a used STi oil pan, what can I use to clean out the old oil that is left behind?

use gas to clean it
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Do you have any oil analysis or threads with oil analysis to back that up?

Granted I dont use Mobil 1 so its a mute point but oil burn is a direct relation to oils viscosity. If viscosity doesnt drop off there is no reason it will burn faster then any other oil.

Fuel dilution can effect viscosity and leaking turbo seals, seals, and rings can cause an oil to burn faster. Both of these will obviously not be effected by different oils....

Only thing I can find is people saying in one thread they never used Mobil 1 ever and then in another thread saying there car used to burn Mobil 1 until they switched to RP. NOW they say that burns (new fad) and have switched to something else.

Where if I search it online or on bobs oil I get things like this. http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html which have a guy that went 18k miles without problems on Mobil 1. I've personally went about 150k on a supercharged tacoma with M1 5w30 with no problems changing every 3000 to 5000 miles...



Jesus Christ where the hell have YOU been??

NOT reading ANY of the UOA on any of these oils and seen the issues.

YOU need to do some research and SEE what using this garbage is doing here.

I have...I see it...YOU blind??
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