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Old 01-22-2010, 05:46 PM   #1
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Default VA: Repeal of radar detector ban proposed in the house

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+sum+HB674
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Radar detectors; allow use. Repeals prohibition on use of radar detectors in motor vehicles.
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Joe T. May, delegate in the Virginia General Assembly, and Chair of the House Transportation Committee, has introduced a bill to repeal the ban on radar
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This is not the first time that Mr. May has drafted language to eliminate the radar detector ban; he did something similar at the beginning of the*2006
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for passage.* Here are the details of the bill:* http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...?101+ful+HB674
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For more information about the movement to repeal the Virginia ban on radar detectors, go to www.stoptheban.com.
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May, Joe T. * 33rd * R * (804) 698-1033 * (703) 777-1191 (Chair)
Oder, G.. Glenn * 94th * R * (804) 698-1094 * (757) 930-8683 (Vice Chair)
BaCote, Mamye E. * 95th * D * (804) 698-1095 * (757) 244-4415
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Carr, Betsy B. * 69th * D * (804) 698-1069 * (804) 767-7530
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McQuinn, Delores L. * 70th * D * (804) 698-1070 * (804) 698-1070
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:04 PM   #2
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It has been proposed a few times and never seems to make it out of committee. I hope this time it makes it further.


Thanks for the info.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:10 PM   #3
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i hope this passes
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:13 PM   #4
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what are some alternative uses of a radar detector other than detecting cops?

cause from what i see all it is is a way for people to speed while knowing cops arent near.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:51 PM   #5
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Radar detectors can also be used for traffic alerts such as traffic jams or construction. While I agree that the main purpose of a radar/laser detector is to avoid police detection while speeding, it is not a catch all by any means and when used improperly is not even a "catch most of the time". If radar/laser detectors were able to keep someone from getting caught speeding, they would not already be legal in every locality with the exception of Virginia and D.C.

IMHO common sense outweighs any advantage that a radar/laser detector would provide They should also only be used as an additional tool in avoiding any unwanted contact with LEOs.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:53 PM   #6
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I hope for our southern Mid-A brothers it passes but after having a couple run-ins with VA's Law Enforcement and subsequently their traffic court I sort of doubt it will
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:24 PM   #7
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I wouldn't hold your breath. Every year various state senators and reps propose alot of bills that they know won't pass (end radar detector ban, raise speed limits, do away with inspections, allow darker tint, etc etc).

They do this so they can tell a certain group of consituents "well, I tried" even though he knew it would never pass.

I used to work in politics, and this kind of thing happens all the time. It's called "bill-writing for effect" lol...
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:25 PM   #8
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if people here really want to avoid tickets, driving rally blue cars with a big wing on the trunk, loud exhaust, hood scoop, and gold wheels is probably not helping matters, lol
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Radar detectors can also be used for traffic alerts such as traffic jams or construction.
That is an example of why and when it could be good to use it. Now, how many times do we see those driving and zoned so far out, that when they come upon construction and the signs are clearly posted that a lane ends and to merge, do thay continue to stay there until they have to slam on the brakes to avoid the cones and/or water barriers?

Now, should they become legal to use, would these people now become the ones to speed up and cut into traffic because they had an alert for construction?

It's tough to say and we can play devil's advocate from here on out and not create a clear consensus. Weighing the pros and cons for RADAR detector use is really no more different in theory than arguing the legalization of marijuana. The both have their perceived good and bad qualities. It's just a matter of which side of the fence you stand on in rationalizing that theory.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:23 PM   #10
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That is an example of why and when it could be good to use it. Now, how many times do we see those driving and zoned so far out, that when they come upon construction and the signs are clearly posted that a lane ends and to merge, do thay continue to stay there until they have to slam on the brakes to avoid the cones and/or water barriers?

Now, should they become legal to use, would these people now become the ones to speed up and cut into traffic because they had an alert for construction?

It's tough to say and we can play devil's advocate from here on out and not create a clear consensus. Weighing the pros and cons for RADAR detector use is really no more different in theory than arguing the legalization of marijuana. The both have their perceived good and bad qualities. It's just a matter of which side of the fence you stand on in rationalizing that theory.
You and I have discussed this exact issue before in other threads. I agree with you that there are a multitude of reasons to have them/ not have them. I support the legalization of Radar/Laser detectors for (almost) the same reasons I support support the 2nd amendment and the ability to CC weapons. For me it is all about choice, and the ability to make my own choice if it would be pertinent to exercise that choice.

You and I stand on different sides of the proverbial fence. But , as you being a LEO, I appreciate your opinions and stances on these types of issues, because you see more detailed information in one day than I will probably see in a lifetime.
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Old 01-23-2010, 07:26 PM   #11
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if people here really want to avoid tickets, driving rally blue cars with a big wing on the trunk, loud exhaust, hood scoop, and gold wheels is probably not helping matters, lol

+1
having a "flashy" car, even if its not much is usually more than enough for you to stand out to a officer using his radar. risking being pulled over for speeding is stupid, especially when many of our modifications are not legal (removed cats!!!!!). whats the point in speeding when we all know what these cars can really do. save it for the track (and back roads )
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:16 PM   #12
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You and I have discussed this exact issue before in other threads. I agree with you that there are a multitude of reasons to have them/ not have them. I support the legalization of Radar/Laser detectors for (almost) the same reasons I support support the 2nd amendment and the ability to CC weapons. For me it is all about choice, and the ability to make my own choice if it would be pertinent to exercise that choice.

You and I stand on different sides of the proverbial fence. But , as you being a LEO, I appreciate your opinions and stances on these types of issues, because you see more detailed information in one day than I will probably see in a lifetime.
This is why I like the exchanges that we have. We do have varying opinions on the matter, yet we keep our reserves on on absolute sovereignty on the issues. As much as we get involved in these threads, I do own a RADAR detector that is LIDAR compliant, but I haven't used it in years and I would gladly sell it. Luckily for me, it was a gift and I had no money invested.

That ownership would make me teetering on the fence deciding which side to fall to.
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:12 PM   #13
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I wouldn't feel any more or less safe on the roadways with radar detectors legal or illegal. As it stands now, as mentioned, there are far too many inattentive drivers -- sans radar detectors -- with a litany of bad and dangerous driving habits used to tailgate, run red lights, fail to signal, make left turns from the right lane, use the left lane as their personal driving lane rather than passing lane, and generally behave as though they won't or can't drive safely.

Perhaps we should start accessing additional fines for people caught using the internet/GPS devices/etc. to research and map out known red light cameras, speed cameras, and the like. After all, their use of that information is inhibiting traffic enforcement from properly ticketing them.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:10 PM   #14
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This is why I like the exchanges that we have. We do have varying opinions on the matter, yet we keep our reserves on on absolute sovereignty on the issues. As much as we get involved in these threads, I do own a RADAR detector that is LIDAR compliant, but I haven't used it in years and I would gladly sell it. Luckily for me, it was a gift and I had no money invested.

That ownership would make me teetering on the fence deciding which side to fall to.

I own one as well and dont use it in Va or D.C. but I do use it anytime I am not in one of those areas. I can't afford or rationalize the purchase of a unit that is "safe" in Va and I think there are many in this position. The biggest benefit for me while using a RD is that it keeps me in check and it is a constant reminder to check my speed. I know in a perfect world we all are perfectly attentive at all times, knowing exactly what our speed is, what cars are around us, and are planning ahead for what we would do if one of these vehicle did something stupid. In reality we all slip up or get distracted by one thing or another. I find that the constant monitoring of a RD has me checking my speed much more often than without. And when it starts to alert, I am on high alert until I figure out what was the cause of the alert.

As I have said before, I use this as one tool in an arsenal of tools. I will admit to constantly speeding. Not 100mph down the interstate, but I will normally run 5 over while there is no other traffic on the road. If there is traffic on the road I will run between 5-15 over depending upon the flow of traffic maybe more. Watching the traffic in front of you and paying attention to their habits and brake lights is a great indication of when LEO is present in front of you. I have even noticed traffic acting odd and raised my suspicions even prior to a RD alerting. I also make sure that I am never the "Rabbit" and make sure that I have a rabbit picked out to follow and watch for quick deceleration. I also primarily travel in the right lane. It seems that LEO normally focus their attention to travelers in the left lane/s. I have gotten speeding tickets in my 11+ years of driving. I got one for 13 over when I was 16 and I received one for 32 in a 25 when I was 22. But I feel for someone who does travel with the faster crowd most of the time, I have been very fortunate due to the things mentioned above.
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I own a radar detector as tell and can't tell you the last time I used it. Even when I travel out of state I don't bother with it...too much of a hassle having to worry about it. Stick to 5-10 mph over (or faster if everyone else is doing that around you) and don't worry about it.

I know this comes up every year or so....and at this point I really don't care.
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:44 PM   #16
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Support this on both a policeman and a driver's point of view. Radar detectors are in many ways false security for habitual and reckless speeders. The police use a slew of other methods of catching speeders. If you get caught with a detector, it is your own fault and if it is a reckless, you deserve it for being dangerous on the road. If I were a police officer I would very much like the ban to be repealed.

As a driver in the area, I have personally fell victim to the purposefully low speed limits for the design speeds of the roads. My first and only ticket here in NoVA was on Fairfax Blvd. I was zaped by radar going 5 over after a the speed limit was dropped from 45 to 35. I even went to court to plead my case and still got fined. I now refuse to remove my V1 from my windshield. It has paid for itself over many many times over using my ticket as a benchmark.

On a side note, my philosophy to drive is always to be proactive instead of reactive. If a piece of technology gives me an advantage driving, I want it. Even if it's legality is in question.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:05 PM   #17
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Support this on both a policeman and a driver's point of view. Radar detectors are in many ways false security for habitual and reckless speeders. The police use a slew of other methods of catching speeders. If you get caught with a detector, it is your own fault and if it is a reckless, you deserve it for being dangerous on the road. If I were a police officer I would very much like the ban to be repealed.

As a driver in the area, I have personally fell victim to the purposefully low speed limits for the design speeds of the roads. My first and only ticket here in NoVA was on Fairfax Blvd. I was zaped by radar going 5 over after a the speed limit was dropped from 45 to 35. I even went to court to plead my case and still got fined. I now refuse to remove my V1 from my windshield. It has paid for itself over many many times over using my ticket as a benchmark.

On a side note, my philosophy to drive is always to be proactive instead of reactive. If a piece of technology gives me an advantage driving, I want it. Even if it's legality is in question.

Well put my good man! I agree 100%. From V1 owner to the other
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I own and use a Valentine 1. Most people who speed excessively and drive recklessly will do so with or without a detector unit. I do keep pace with traffic on the highway which at times is reckless by law. 76 mph is reckless. I try to keep my speed at 70-75 but find myself doing 80 when inattentive and following the flow of traffic. Now, consider this: A LEO clocks a group of cars doing 76-80mph. Which one will he most likely consider a threat to public safety? not the toyota camry in the left lane, no, not the prius, but the be-winged, gold rimmed, import with an obnoxious hood scoop. Its in that instant that I am glad I have detected the LEOs presence and checked my speed vs. posted limit and reduced accordingly. 90% of you are lying if you claim to follow the fascist 55mph to a tee esp on this forum. Whats more to consider is that I consider it a right to receive and monitor any RF in my vicinity esp if it is pointed at me. The RF transmission is not encrypted nor does it contain sensitive data, and I do not understand how it is illegal to monitor such transmission esp if I am just gaging the strength of a certain freq of RF. I am not interfering with anyone else monitoring that same signal, including the officer who is monitoring that same signal albeit for its Doppler affected frequency. my .02.
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I own and use a Valentine 1. Most people who speed excessively and drive recklessly will do so with or without a detector unit. I do keep pace with traffic on the highway which at times is reckless by law. 76 mph is reckless. I try to keep my speed at 70-75 but find myself doing 80 when inattentive and following the flow of traffic. Now, consider this: A LEO clocks a group of cars doing 76-80mph. Which one will he most likely consider a threat to public safety? not the toyota camry in the left lane, no, not the prius, but the be-winged, gold rimmed, import with an obnoxious hood scoop. Its in that instant that I am glad I have detected the LEOs presence and checked my speed vs. posted limit and reduced accordingly. 90% of you are lying if you claim to follow the fascist 55mph to a tee esp on this forum. Whats more to consider is that I consider it a right to receive and monitor any RF in my vicinity esp if it is pointed at me. The RF transmission is not encrypted nor does it contain sensitive data, and I do not understand how it is illegal to monitor such transmission esp if I am just gaging the strength of a certain freq of RF. I am not interfering with anyone else monitoring that same signal, including the officer who is monitoring that same signal albeit for its Doppler affected frequency. my .02.

^Agreed. Monitoring in no way implies alteration or jamming. Detecting should NOT be illegal, it is absolutely a right. Jamming on the other hand,... more sensitive issue, and not even one being discussed here
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^Here here, but I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch waiting for it....I'll believe it when I see it.

The only reason they instated/still have the law is to further generate revenue for the va fuzz
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^Here here, but I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch waiting for it....I'll believe it when I see it.

The only reason they instated/still have the law is to further generate revenue for the va fuzz
Haha.. I have yet to see a cop car with a 'radar detector detector' in it.
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^Here here, but I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch waiting for it....I'll believe it when I see it.

The only reason they instated/still have the law is to further generate revenue for the va fuzz
not really.

Enough of them are using laser now that your radar detector and even a laser detector are absolutely useless. Even back when all of them were using radar the instant on guns made radar detectors useless.

I don't understand why this law is on the books....it just doesn't really have much relevance.
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Nope.. the only place radar works is with the local cops, who have an always on radar going.

I can pick them up from 1-2 miles away.

PW county, and Stafford anyway.

State boys, ya theres no dice, but there easy anyway, just dont go over 80.
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Haha.. I have yet to see a cop car with a 'radar detector detector' in it.
That is shocking to me. I know 3 different Staties and all 3 of them have RDD in their cars. I have a friend that is a local in Chesapeake and he admits that they are not common but they are out there.

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not really.

Enough of them are using laser now that your radar detector and even a laser detector are absolutely useless. Even back when all of them were using radar the instant on guns made radar detectors useless.

I don't understand why this law is on the books....it just doesn't really have much relevance.
Instant on and POP are nearly impossible to detect with older units but with the newer units it is easily picked up. Radar detector have historically stayed one step ahead of the radar manufactures and even when the manufactures have found a leg up, the detector manufactures are quick to respond.

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Nope.. the only place radar works is with the local cops, who have an always on radar going.

I can pick them up from 1-2 miles away.

PW county, and Stafford anyway.

State boys, ya theres no dice, but there easy anyway, just dont go over 80.
I disagree with you on this. I pick up state boys 99% of the time.(From Va to PA and as far west as Mo) The only time I have noticed that I am getting warnings to late to make any adjustments of speed is when there are no vehicles in sight in front of me.

A 5 year old detector is like a 5 year old computer, it still works but will let you down every now and then. In order to stay up to date with the methods the police are using to detect speed, you must also stay up to date with the technology of the detectors.
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That is shocking to me. I know 3 different Staties and all 3 of them have RDD in their cars. I have a friend that is a local in Chesapeake and he admits that they are not common but they are out there.
The simple - albeit pricy - solution would a fully-cloaked detector: Bel STi-Driver and Escort RedLine as in-cabin standalone units, and the Bel STi-R/R+ or Escort 9500ci, as integrated vehicle mounts.

Usage tactics can still betray you, though. If you're the only car in a pack to slam on the brakes when the enforcer triggers his/her RADAR, bingo.

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Instant on and POP are nearly impossible to detect with older units but with the newer units it is easily picked up. Radar detector have historically stayed one step ahead of the radar manufactures and even when the manufactures have found a leg up, the detector manufactures are quick to respond.

A 5 year old detector is like a 5 year old computer, it still works but will let you down every now and then. In order to stay up to date with the methods the police are using to detect speed, you must also stay up to date with the technology of the detectors.
Virtually any of the top-flight detectors (V1, Escort, Bel) made within the past decade will still more than hold its own, even for "Instant-On" encounters.

Virtually no detector will reliably capture POP - at least not in a manner which won't drive you crazy, if you left the POP-alerting function enabled (search "POP false" on RadarDetector.net or any other speed-detection countermeasures enthusiast Forum, cross it with my username, "TSi+WRX," and you'll see what I mean). Yes, the Escorts will likely capture 67ms Ka-band, and the V1 will even stand a pretty good chance against select 16ms K-band POP...but enabling POP on both units will drastically increase their rate of falsing. Lowering the noise-floor in this manner, in many cases, can be very counterproductive.

Unless you know, ABSOLUTELY, that your primary-threats are ACTIVELY UTILIZING POP, *and* you have a detector which is capable of reliably picking up that *specific* POP signal, just turn POP off, it's just not worth the noise. [ Additionally, enabling POP-detection, in many instances, will re-prioritize the unit's scan parameters, and cause a delay in processing time for the rest of the bands/bandwidth. ]

Overall, POP is truly much less of a worry than "quick-trigger" I/O, for which even the best detectors of today are still rather vulnerable against.


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I don't understand why this law is on the books....it just doesn't really have much relevance.
^ Agreed.

IMveryHO, a skilled enforcer will not have any problems at all in stopping speeders - regardless of the use of RADAR/LASER detectors and/or other speed-detection countermeasures.

Proper physical "trap" - setup, along with good usage technique of even the most basic of enforcement tools - makes such a trap virtually impossible to "defeat."

Similarly, the use of classic enforcement measures, such as pacing or visual estimation, also does not rely upon the presence or absence of a RADAR/LASER detector to work properly.

Add into the mix devices such as VASCAR....

Why bother making a fuss about detectors, at all?

Especially when so many of those who own detectors either own models which have barely adequate raw sensitivity to have any decent effective range and/or have no idea of how to properly use the devices, anyway?

Look at my home state, for example.

Talk to anyone - Ohio is among the most "feared" states to travel through, in terms of speed-enforcement.

Any rules about RADAR/LASER detectors? Nope.
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