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Old 01-31-2009, 07:42 PM   #1
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So its not really bragging, nothing to fancy about it. Stock internals and stock 5spd with 101k miles.

Brotuned by me bro. Sorry thought it'd be funny.

Ran on E85 with low timing and quite a bit on the rich side.
Afr's were around 11-1. Timing was around 14* at 4k to 18* at 6500. So yea low timing and rich for e85. IDC's were around 88%- since the local E85 dist. does not comply to typical winter blends, it is actually 84-85% ethanol (tested 2 times in the past 2 weeks)
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Greddy/Me TD05-18g with a TD06 3" compressor. Internally gated.
APS 3" inlet
TGV half deletes (yea I got lazy)
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Perrin Fuel rails (way easier to deal with than the stockers)
Blown apart Y pipe (blew apart on the 2nd pull)

Atm. Pressure is generally about 14.3-5 here (500ft above sea level)
It was 35*F ambient during the pull.
Pull was done on a very slight uphill onramp in 3rd gear.
I don't have a dyno real close to me, so the road dyno thing is what I'm going off of.

Boost was set to 15psi but creeped to 18.5psi by redline, hence the constant torque..

My car did 185 whp and 196 wtq on this same program bone stock (Well Up-pipe)

NO SAE correction! Not even smoothed.



Comment if you want, don't hate because I don't care. Not really braggin' just showing what kind of power it made on a "very basic, low timing" flash.

I will have updates when I get my blown apart silicon elbow replaced and some tuning done on it to make boost come on a bit sooner.

And there have been absolutely NO alterations to the log/run or the dyno map seen above-- it is what it is.

Thanks for looking.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:58 PM   #2
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E85 ftw Romraider ftw also Nice work. I think the ramp up in power is sweet!
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:10 PM   #3
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Wow damn good
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:47 PM   #4
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I have some hardcore boost onset issues. Like no boost until 5k in 2nd and 4500 in 3rd.

Its preload on the internal gate, but I won't have time to mess with it till tom.

I'd love 18psi by 4k in 2-5th. Maybe I'm dreaming, I know the larger compressor housing is not helping me out any in that department.


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Old 01-31-2009, 11:54 PM   #5
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Needs moAr injector/boost/timing.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:31 AM   #6
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Looks good but the graph is definately being skewed by the ends of the datalog. This happens to me a lot when I use this program if I cut the data too short it makes the ends of the graph curl up.

Its a realistic program, just have to have a proper log for it to work correctly.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:40 AM   #7
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I'm sure it is a bit skewed up top, not to worried though.

I have the wgdc set for 0% everywhere and a 15psi actuator - creeping to 18.5ish after 5000 rpms...

Basically I'm stuck with at least 18.5psi+ after 5k no matter what I do, which is fine. I left a ton of bottom end boost on the table, a large amount of wgdc in the bottom end should really help with spool.

I'm going to work with it tom and see what I can come up with, hell I'd be exited for 300/300.

I worked on a timing map tonight so hopefully it will work out better than 18* at redline. I have injector left, I feel comfortable up to 95% idc and remember 88% is running 11-1 afr, I plan on leaning it out toward 11.8-12.0-1 when its said and done. On the stock turbo it seemed to make the most power between those to majical spots. We shall see though.

I do know that the 3" inlet sounds like a semi during spool though and I'm lovin' it!

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Old 02-01-2009, 02:13 PM   #8
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What kind of program is that? I'd like to try it!

Nice power curve, looks like NA.
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:57 PM   #9
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Datalog lab.

There is a thread about it at Romraider.com from testes.

Its an ok program, probably not "exact" numbers but from pull to pull with a good tune, numbers will be the same. Its a very useful tool to use for road tunes were if it has a good tune, and honestly I don't care a whole lot about what my numbers are, but its a reference point type of thing.

I'd like to see 110+ trap in the 1/4 but doubt that happens. I trapped 85 mph in the 1/8th on the stock td04 and stock 5 speed.


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Old 02-01-2009, 03:40 PM   #10
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110 should not be a problem.

Can you send me the datalog and weight of the car? I love using this dyno as a tool to show gains on my own car but I want to see how it stacks up to my graph. I want to creat a little database for myself and this would be perfect.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:52 PM   #11
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Yea I'm going to go on a joy ride in a bit with some timing and major fueling changes.

Made some adjustments in the boost department as well. Hoping to see 18psi by 4k but we shall see.



Have the log up later

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Old 02-01-2009, 06:51 PM   #12
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I dig it.
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:08 AM   #13
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Great stuff. More info on the 3" compressor cover please. Where'd you get it?
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:17 PM   #14
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Great Power!!!
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:10 PM   #15
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Its a Greddy 18g from an H22a Prelude turbo kit.

We bought the kit for dirt cheap (cheaper than a used wrx 18g) decided it sucked balls on the H (which would see a full 9psi by 2400 and fall on its face by 5500. So I decided to run it on the scooby and run a 60trim .72 A/R on the H22.

Its basically just the standard Greddy 18g with a T25 flange (can find them cheap sometimes on Honda-tech) I picked up a (well was supposed to be) td05 7cm2 housing. Which ended up being a TD05 housing bored for a td06 wheel. So it was of no use to me (good paper weight).

So some super guy here on nasioc hooked me up with a brand new TD05 housing bored for the 18g turbine wheel. I picked up a brand new 15psi actuator here on nasioc for $30 and had my fav. machine shop cut down the inlet and do my hole drillin.

So far, I technically have $150 into this turbo, I see 18psi by 3500 and gets the super creep to 19 by 7k. At 7100 I'm at 19.1psi with 2% wgdc, which basically means the solenoid is fully open allowing the actuator to see a full flow of boost. Meaning I'm creeping badly. BUT this can be tuned around, and that is why I have it set the way I do, 19 is where I wanted to be, so I set my wgdc low were it creeps and live with it.


I'm still working on timing and afr's, I had a leak which just got fixed so hopefully things start getting a bit smoother and I can start making the power it should make on E85. But for now, my last log, made 310 whp and 288 wtq, which is damn good for 19psi (I think).

I should be able to lean it out almost a whole point and make 5-10whp throughout the powerband. I'd like to see 325/300 consistently at 19psi.

-Jerod

Final product prior to the inlet cut and the drill/tap for the boost reference.






Thats the whistler...


-Jerod

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Old 02-02-2009, 11:07 PM   #16
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:17 PM   #17
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I like to think that brotunes are the only way to go, I'm bored maybe I'll inflate the numbers a bit and see what I can come up wtih.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:51 PM   #18
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Well.. I all but maxed out my maf today.. Stupid 16bit ecu's. No running more than 21psi for me...

Here is the dyno - 15*F slightly uphill and had a sidewind of about 25mph, made for an interesting ride. I weight 175, I had my 25lb book bag, 50lb tool bag and a damn 50lb saw all in the trunk (I wasn't in the trunk).
So total weight would be around 3350llbs. (Tip the scales at 3225 will a full tank of gas and myself)

No correciton and graph was only smoothed until it wasn't choppy.





Boost still needs just a bit of work, was shooting for 19psi, didn't technically see 19psi till 5k, seen 17 at 3750, but it basically creeped from there till redline (21psi at redline)

As a reference 50-80mph took 3.01 seconds. Which is plenty for me.

I need to get a video of how incredibly loud this turbo just really is, it must be the 3" inlet but its loud, like semi loud during spool.

To be truthfull I think the transmission is fairing much better than with the td04. Its so much more smooth everywhere, its just incredible.


-Jerod

Log: http://www.romraider.com/forum/downl...le.php?id=7256

Well what you see is what you get, I'm out of MAF and Injectors (98% idc at the top of 2nd gear).... I don't think leaning it out half a point is going to gain a whole lot of ground on the injectors...Now I can't wait to hit up a chassis dyno and see if road dyno is close..


Also wanted to add my boost plot, I see 18.5psi by 3207 rpms.... and then it super creeps to 21 psi lol...

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Old 02-03-2009, 01:35 PM   #19
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Wow. Great stuff!!! That turbo setup is kickin ass all over the place!!! Congrats!
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:25 AM   #21
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Looks good.

Your MAF isnt maxed, you have until 5v but if you are out of injector then thats all you can do right now.

That log was in 3rd gear? You said in your post you are at 98% IDC in 2nd, its only going to get worse in the higher gears, you need new injectors soon.
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I was under the impression that 16bit ecu's maf's only read up to 4.74v.
I know if it will read up to 5v, I'm going to have to do the 300+ g/s hack because I see 300g/s quite a bit and it just plains off...


My IDC's are down a bit, I leaned it out to almost 12-1 which brought my IDC down in the top of third to 93% (which I'm comfortable with).

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Old 02-05-2009, 01:11 PM   #23
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I was under the impression that 16bit ecu's maf's only read up to 4.74v.
I know if it will read up to 5v, I'm going to have to do the 300+ g/s hack because I see 300g/s quite a bit and it just plains off...


My IDC's are down a bit, I leaned it out to almost 12-1 which brought my IDC down in the top of third to 93% (which I'm comfortable with).

-Jerod
You're comfortable with 12:1 AFRs are redline, huh? What are your EGTs?

EDIT: OOps, re-read that you're running E85. Is your WB02 calibrated for straight pump gas?
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Yes its calibrated for pump gas, so basically I just tune as if I was running race fuel (little richer though)

My egt's around 1450 in a long 4th gear pull In fifth from 60-120 (closed course.. of course) I see around 1470*F

I have run them leaner, with no power result and no EGT increase, so I figured .3 richer at peak torque isn't going to hurt or help anything so I left it.


-Jerod

Step colder plugs really made a difference in egts... Lost about 10wtq but its worth it to drop egt's about 100*F
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Old 02-09-2009, 03:30 PM   #25
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A little update. Had a corrupt rom (that is why boost looked the way it did, not because of creep.

Sold the AEM CAI to go with a big maf intake (probably P&L)

This is a run today with the stock airbox, boost peaked at 21psi at 3400 and held 20psi till 5k and tapered to 18...

I've got a little work to do yet with the boost, but my timing and afr's are were I want them. I still have about 15% IDC left now since I've leaned it out.

I lost 200 rpms of spool to peak boost, but lost about an average of 2psi from 2k-3.4k of boost per rpm with the stock airbox..

Stock airbox FTMFL!!! It felt so nutless below 3k with the stock airbox, where with the aem cai it pulled strong down low (Would almost imagine this would be related to reduced pre-turbine restriction with the intake)


This is an rpm log only with NO correction on a decently flat road.

Ambient was 72*F
ATM was 14.3psi
75% humidity and about a 20mph wind (partial headwind)

More to come when I get my intake and a few other little things tweaked, pm me for the log if you want it..



302 wtq at 4100rpms and 294hp at 6100
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