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Old 02-02-2009, 05:25 AM   #1
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Did you know that the price of a brand new AWIC top core from a Legacy RS-RA will set you back a whopping $6,360.86 NZD. That's before tax and it has to come from Japan.

Yes I was curious as to how much it cost and yes it's cheaper to buy a complete RS-RA.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:22 AM   #2
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I'm not really surprised. They tend to do that with the obsolete inventory. Try pricing out a Justy transmission. It will cost you about the same as a brand new crate STi longblock AND transmission.
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:07 PM   #3
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Well at the same time my mate (who is the parts boy there too) looked up a brand new complete EJ207 for his V5 Type R and it's in the region of 30k.

It's a tad stupid really. I hate to see how much a shortblock for the RS-RA costs. Be nice to have one to drop in the car when I'm done.

BTW...I'm doing a project with an RS-RA body.
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Old 02-02-2009, 09:20 PM   #4
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You should talk to GT... they are bringing in whole cars now for parts...
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:16 PM   #5
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You should talk to GT... they are bringing in whole cars now for parts...
Being in New Zealand, parts aren't usually a problem. If I can't get my hands on a proper RS-RA block I can easily find a V2 STi block which is damn close to the same.

What I REALLY want is the VF-12, which came standard on the Aussie spec RS-RA. I'm currently working with a BF-5 EJ20G with a VF-8. I've got a funny feeling the heads on the Leg wagons aren't as good as the RS or WRX heads.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:19 PM   #6
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If I can't get my hands on a proper RS-RA block I can easily find a V2 STi block which is damn close to the same.
Actually they aren't the same at all. The blocks themselves are different because the RS-RA is closed deck and the V2 STi is not. By V2 the only closed deck was the STi-RA or by special order.

Furthermore, the pistons are a fair bit different as well. Because of the 57cc combustion chambers in the Legacy Ej20Gs (which includes the RS-RA) the piston dome is higher on that engine. When they released the Ej20G's for the WRX (or Impreza GT as it was called some places) they redesigned the heads and reduced the combustion chamber by close to 10cc. The pistons were reduced in dome accordingly.

I know these as facts from personal experience. I owned RS-RA engine #749 and still have a V2 STi block with a blown ringland sitting in my shed. I've had them side by side and compared them.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:55 PM   #7
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Actually they aren't the same at all. The blocks themselves are different because the RS-RA is closed deck and the V2 STi is not. By V2 the only closed deck was the STi-RA or by special order.

Furthermore, the pistons are a fair bit different as well. Because of the 57cc combustion chambers in the Legacy Ej20Gs (which includes the RS-RA) the piston dome is higher on that engine. When they released the Ej20G's for the WRX (or Impreza GT as it was called some places) they redesigned the heads and reduced the combustion chamber by close to 10cc. The pistons were reduced in dome accordingly.

I know these as facts from personal experience. I owned RS-RA engine #749 and still have a V2 STi block with a blown ringland sitting in my shed. I've had them side by side and compared them.
My car features full V2 V-limited WRX everything.... tdo5 16g... Close ratio gearbox... z4 ecu.... AbSOLUTELY POSITIVELY 1996 model year..... with.....
SURPRISE... CLOSED DECK.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:27 AM   #8
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Actually they aren't the same at all. The blocks themselves are different because the RS-RA is closed deck and the V2 STi is not. By V2 the only closed deck was the STi-RA or by special order.

Furthermore, the pistons are a fair bit different as well. Because of the 57cc combustion chambers in the Legacy Ej20Gs (which includes the RS-RA) the piston dome is higher on that engine. When they released the Ej20G's for the WRX (or Impreza GT as it was called some places) they redesigned the heads and reduced the combustion chamber by close to 10cc. The pistons were reduced in dome accordingly.

I know these as facts from personal experience. I owned RS-RA engine #749 and still have a V2 STi block with a blown ringland sitting in my shed. I've had them side by side and compared them.
So that means I'll be closer with the Legacy GT block, but without the forged pistons? It's actually more the heads I'm after, since I want good flow.
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:59 AM   #9
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My car features full V2 V-limited WRX everything.... tdo5 16g... Close ratio gearbox... z4 ecu.... AbSOLUTELY POSITIVELY 1996 model year..... with.....
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.....or by special order.
Oddballs are known to exist. But for all reasonable arguements, Imprezas are open deck. Consider yourself lucky.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:36 AM   #10
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Oddballs are known to exist. But for all reasonable arguements, Imprezas are open deck. Consider yourself lucky.
Yep. Just last month I did a tranny swap for a Colorado member (Odie) who also has a version2 V Limited swap in his car that he got from ECS. Guess what? Open deck.
By 1995 the closed deck was the exception, not the rule. People can argue with me, but I have spent years (about 5 of them) verifying this.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:30 PM   #11
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Yep. Just last month I did a tranny swap for a Colorado member (Odie) who also has a version2 V Limited swap in his car that he got from ECS. Guess what? Open deck.
By 1995 the closed deck was the exception, not the rule. People can argue with me, but I have spent years (about 5 of them) verifying this.

I get that I got lucky with my V2... but every V-limited I have seen... I also have two buddies in the uk that have the V-limited V2... all have closed deck. I would have thought this was the rule.. exept for the above post about ecs. The V-limited is basically an options package anyway... that gave improved performance bits and subtle body mods over the base wrx without advertising boy racer.. and without losing the power mirrors... Kind of like the sti limited of today...
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:57 PM   #12
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I get that I got lucky with my V2... but every V-limited I have seen... I also have two buddies in the uk that have the V-limited V2... all have closed deck. I would have thought this was the rule.. exept for the above post about ecs. The V-limited is basically an options package anyway... that gave improved performance bits and subtle body mods over the base wrx without advertising boy racer.. and without losing the power mirrors... Kind of like the sti limited of today...
Wait a minute here. Is your car a V Limited WRX? Or a V-Limited WRX-STi-RA? The car I am talking about is a V-Limited. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the STi-RA variants with closed decks as stated in my comments above.

Ej20G DW5HE applied engine code or Ej20G DW5PR? The latter one's the STi.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:43 PM   #13
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Being in New Zealand, parts aren't usually a problem. If I can't get my hands on a proper RS-RA block I can easily find a V2 STi block which is damn close to the same.

What I REALLY want is the VF-12, which came standard on the Aussie spec RS-RA. I'm currently working with a BF-5 EJ20G with a VF-8. I've got a funny feeling the heads on the Leg wagons aren't as good as the RS or WRX heads.
The heads are noisy...hydraulic asdjusted dumb rocker followers.

And the cams just plain suck.
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:46 PM   #14
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Wait a minute here. Is your car a V Limited WRX? Or a V-Limited WRX-STi-RA? The car I am talking about is a V-Limited. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the STi-RA variants with closed decks as stated in my comments above.

Ej20G DW5HE applied engine code or Ej20G DW5PR? The latter one's the STi.
I am speaking of the V-limited WRX....
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:09 PM   #15
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I am speaking of the V-limited WRX....
Can you show me a vin plate for your car and the ones in the UK?
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:26 PM   #16
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Can you show me a vin plate for your car and the ones in the UK?

HUH??? I dont find that particularly necessary... I would think you would believe what I am saying as I know exactly what I have and where it came from... do have the vin plate and know how to disect the numbers.....
Hell I even have the RHD lol...

What I and people I know have is not in question here... I didnt start a thread asking what I have? I already know

Do not think I am interested in any kind of match. I am only sharing what I know and have to try to shed some light on the topic of what V2 motors may have closed deck... as mine clearly does.... and several other V-limited WRX do.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:31 PM   #17
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HUH??? I dont find that particularly necessary... I would think you would believe what I am saying as I know exactly what I have and where it came from... do have the vin plate and know how to disect the numbers.....
Hell I even have the RHD lol...

What I and people I know have is not in question here... I didnt start a thread asking what I have? I already know

Do not think I am interested in any kind of match. I am only sharing what I know and have to try to shed some light on the topic of what V2 motors may have closed deck... as mine clearly does.... and several other V-limited WRX do.
No. No. No.
I'm not doubting you. I want to get ALL of the information off of your vin plate for my records. If you don't want to share that, that's fine. It wasn't a question of whether your word was good or not.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:32 PM   #18
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Furthermore... Matt ...

I have seen from your posts that you are pretty knowledgeable with the classics... especially the legacy.... and will not hesitate to ask you a question if I dont already know the answer...
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No. No. No.
I'm not doubting you. I want to get ALL of the information off of your vin plate for my records. If you don't want to share that, that's fine. It wasn't a question of whether your word was good or not.

Ahhhh... I C...

I will pm you with my vin plate... Sorry for the misunderstanding
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I will pm you with my vin plate... Sorry for the misunderstanding
No worries.
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.......... I want to get ALL of the information off of your vin plate for my records..................


Couldn't find one with a pointy Wizards hat.... Sorry Matt, sometimes you just have to.
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I take no offense. One could say I have an unhealthy obsession with this old JDM stuff.
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Couldn't find one with a pointy Wizards hat.... Sorry Matt, sometimes you just have to.
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