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Old 07-19-2012, 08:22 AM   #5126
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Aron: How's the progress on the battle Wagon?
im still waiting on the TGV and intake manifold to come in. Other then that its ready....
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:38 AM   #5127
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if anyone needs any wrx parts let me know
02 wrb wrx wrecked 105k
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:52 AM   #5128
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Maybe I should just show up with a truck?
I have a car trailer you can use!!!
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:55 AM   #5129
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What I did was I did the hybrid intake. I noticed that my intake and intake manifold was getting really hot so hot I couldn't touch them.I kno cold air is better for the motor. I did some reading and found out the white jug on bottom of intake box is for resonance so in attempt to get colder air into the motor I took of that box and ran a tube from there to the port for my factory fog lights. I kno the intake won't hurry anything but a could people said you have to have that jug or it messes up the maf. So that's what I'm trying to fig out before I permanently attach it all.
I dont have romraider yet. I'm using torque pro right now.just got up need to recheck numbers but last night doing 80 on highway my iat was 88deg and the graph for my maf increased as I accelerated(wasn't smooth kind of like short right waves) and it would drop down each shift. I have to check what my fuel was. Do you want fuel output or afr

Edit...just drove this morning in town and the afr said 14.5 even at idle. Also if I'm sucking in colder air and more air doesn't that affect the afr? Does anyone wanna help me adjust my stuff? I have no clue what in doing but I really want to learn
Hope this makes sense

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:23 AM   #5130
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:27 PM   #5131
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There's some super special suby meets this weekend. One is sat look it up at Detroit scca's website. RallyX

And the other one is at wings stadium. Sunday Sunday sunday. Look that one up at WMR scca regions site. AutoX

Go there and learn something about your car and your driving capabilities. Or lack of. LOL

Get some.

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:46 AM   #5132
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What I did was I did the hybrid intake. I noticed that my intake and intake manifold was getting really hot so hot I couldn't touch them.I kno cold air is better for the motor. I did some reading and found out the white jug on bottom of intake box is for resonance so in attempt to get colder air into the motor I took of that box and ran a tube from there to the port for my factory fog lights. I kno the intake won't hurry anything but a could people said you have to have that jug or it messes up the maf. So that's what I'm trying to fig out before I permanently attach it all.
I dont have romraider yet. I'm using torque pro right now.just got up need to recheck numbers but last night doing 80 on highway my iat was 88deg and the graph for my maf increased as I accelerated(wasn't smooth kind of like short right waves) and it would drop down each shift. I have to check what my fuel was. Do you want fuel output or afr

Edit...just drove this morning in town and the afr said 14.5 even at idle. Also if I'm sucking in colder air and more air doesn't that affect the afr? Does anyone wanna help me adjust my stuff? I have no clue what in doing but I really want to learn
Hope this makes sense
14.5 AFR (Air to Fuel Ratio) is what you want to see during idle and easy cruising. This is the optimal AFR for emissions and efficiency (MPG).

The AFR you want to target for performance varies by tuner.. there are two basic schools of thought.. 1) Rich AFR and more timing. 2) Lean AFR and less timing. I tune using #1

Tinkering with AFR/Timing can increase HP & performance if you know what you are doing .... if you are not expierenced and miss tune... the engine will be damaged. Example: If you go too lean you can detonate (spark knock).. this causes HUGE problems for the engine (broken ring lands, destroyed rod bearings etc).

The modification you made to the intake could impact your AFR. I doubt it would impact it enough to cause engine damage but you always want to make sure by checking the data. Note: Engine damage would only occur during boost.. easy driving will be no problem other than perhaps annoyances due to engine bucking, stalling out etc.

One way to easily tell if the intake mod caused impact to AFR is to look at your short term fuel trim when idling and easy driving.. if you are over 5% then intake calibration is necessary to insure your AFR's will be correct.

Can you see the fuel trim data in the program you are using? If so, tell us what % you are seeing

Also.. are you using a wide band AFR gauge to see the actual AFR or are you using stock oxygen sensor?

FYI... There are many factors that impact the AFR but at a super high level the mass air sensor (thing hanging in the intake with wires going to it) through a rather complicated process tells the ECU how much air is flowing through the engine. The ECU takes this information and pulses the injectors (based on how much air is going through the engine) to achieve the AFR target.

Jeff

Just noticed your sig.. is your car turbo? engine damage comments I made primarily relate to turbo applications...

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:59 AM   #5133
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14.5 AFR (Air to Fuel Ratio) is what you want to see during idle and easy cruising. This is the optimal AFR for emissions and efficiency (MPG).

The AFR you want to target for performance varies by tuner.. there are two basic schools of thought.. 1) Rich AFR and more timing. 2) Lean AFR and less timing. I tune using #1

Tinkering with AFR/Timing can increase HP & performance if you know what you are doing .... if you are not expierenced and miss tune... the engine will be damaged. Example: If you go too lean you can detonate (spark knock).. this causes HUGE problems for the engine (broken ring lands, destroyed rod bearings etc).

The modification you made to the intake could impact your AFR. I doubt it would impact it enough to cause engine damage but you always want to make sure by checking the data. Note: Engine damage would only occur during boost.. easy driving will be no problem other than perhaps annoyances due to engine bucking, stalling out etc.

One way to easily tell if the intake mod caused impact to AFR is to look at your short term fuel trim when idling and easy driving.. if you are over 5% then intake calibration is necessary to insure your AFR's will be correct.

Can you see the fuel trim data in the program you are using? If so, tell us what % you are seeing

Also.. are you using a wide band AFR gauge to see the actual AFR or are you using stock oxygen sensor?

FYI... There are many factors that impact the AFR but at a super high level the mass air sensor (thing hanging in the intake with wires going to it) through a rather complicated process tells the ECU how much air is flowing through the engine. The ECU takes this information and pulses the injectors (based on how much air is going through the engine) to achieve the AFR target.

Jeff
If I understand tuning correctly, everything you've said stands true, but since his car is N/A how he goes about tuning this stuff will vary a bit.

If you need a hand with this stuff, I'm pretty sure my Tactrix can pull/flash to your ECU. We can hook it up and go for a drive and see what the car is doing if you'd like.

Rob: I bought a car from that guy. He's a good guy that likes his Subaru's, and he has good prices (doesn't try to gouge you because we're into "enthusiast" cars like most people).
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:00 AM   #5134
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Hi I'm Mitch im from Grand Rapids and I am a senior at GVSU and I just got my first subaru (2008 2.5i 5speed hatch). I used to have a mk4 Jetta and was a big VW fanboy. Always been a Subaru fanboy as well so now im living the dream. I've been a member on MIVE ( michigans vw forum) for awhile so I know how these car forums go down.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:05 AM   #5135
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There's some super special suby meets this weekend. One is sat look it up at Detroit scca's website. RallyX

And the other one is at wings stadium. Sunday Sunday sunday. Look that one up at WMR scca regions site. AutoX

Go there and learn something about your car and your driving capabilities. Or lack of. LOL

Get some.

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Thanks for posting this Rob. We have been meaning to make it out to a RallyX for a while and we might be able to this weekend.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:43 AM   #5136
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Get a hold of Todd he will be there. I will be at a lame ass wedding.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:28 PM   #5137
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14.5 AFR (Air to Fuel Ratio) is what you want to see during idle and easy cruising. This is the optimal AFR for emissions and efficiency (MPG).

The AFR you want to target for performance varies by tuner.. there are two basic schools of thought.. 1) Rich AFR and more timing. 2) Lean AFR and less timing. I tune using #1

Tinkering with AFR/Timing can increase HP & performance if you know what you are doing .... if you are not expierenced and miss tune... the engine will be damaged. Example: If you go too lean you can detonate (spark knock).. this causes HUGE problems for the engine (broken ring lands, destroyed rod bearings etc).

The modification you made to the intake could impact your AFR. I doubt it would impact it enough to cause engine damage but you always want to make sure by checking the data. Note: Engine damage would only occur during boost.. easy driving will be no problem other than perhaps annoyances due to engine bucking, stalling out etc.

One way to easily tell if the intake mod caused impact to AFR is to look at your short term fuel trim when idling and easy driving.. if you are over 5% then intake calibration is necessary to insure your AFR's will be correct.

Can you see the fuel trim data in the program you are using? If so, tell us what % you are seeing

Also.. are you using a wide band AFR gauge to see the actual AFR or are you using stock oxygen sensor?

FYI... There are many factors that impact the AFR but at a super high level the mass air sensor (thing hanging in the intake with wires going to it) through a rather complicated process tells the ECU how much air is flowing through the engine. The ECU takes this information and pulses the injectors (based on how much air is going through the engine) to achieve the AFR target.

Jeff

Just noticed your sig.. is your car turbo? engine damage comments I made primarily relate to turbo applications...
Thanks for the info. No my car is a na. So my afr is good then? At work so can't check the % I'll do it on drive home. Everything else is stock. Also want to check to see if my maf is working right bc I read that if you take the jug off the bottom that'll mess up stuff too and make sure my fuel ratios are right. Any input on this.

Edit....I'm also not totally retarded on cars I do kno what a maf sensor is and what it does. Lol just pokin fun at ya. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.

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Old 07-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #5138
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If I understand tuning correctly, everything you've said stands true, but since his car is N/A how he goes about tuning this stuff will vary a bit.

If you need a hand with this stuff, I'm pretty sure my Tactrix can pull/flash to your ECU. We can hook it up and go for a drive and see what the car is doing if you'd like.

Rob: I bought a car from that guy. He's a good guy that likes his Subaru's, and he has good prices (doesn't try to gouge you because we're into "enthusiast" cars like most people).
I would love the help. Where you live at. I'm in Jackson. Pm me and let me know

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The following is all at idle after driving in town for about 5 miles

Afr commanded 14.63:1
Afr measured. 14.59:1 - 14.72:1
Fuel flow rate per hour .98-1.08L/hour
Fuel flow rate per min. 16.29-18.02cc/min
Fuel trim bank 1 long term. -3.12%
Short term it showed only .78, 0, -.78, -1.56%
O2 sensor 1 wide range voltage raw value 2.16-2.8
Sensor 2 was -.09 - .79
Iat 127deg
Rpm 700
Coolant temp 195.8deg

When driving with cruise on at 40mph both fuel trims were less than 5% positive and negative. There was once for a split second it when to positive 6.12.

Hope this helps out and are the numbers your asking for. This is the newest car I've had and I want to make sure it is running at its best. Thanks for all your help. Like I said when it comes to tuning and numbers I'm deff a noob but I do want to learn. So if I ask retarded questions to you all I'm sorry.

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Old 07-20-2012, 03:39 PM   #5140
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Travis, did I spy your car for sale on the list?
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:49 PM   #5141
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Hi I'm Mitch im from Grand Rapids and I am a senior at GVSU and I just got my first subaru (2008 2.5i 5speed hatch). I used to have a mk4 Jetta and was a big VW fanboy. Always been a Subaru fanboy as well so now im living the dream. I've been a member on MIVE ( michigans vw forum) for awhile so I know how these car forums go down.
Welcome! I had one of those cars, and I hated it. It was horrible enough for me to bad-mouth Subaru's as a whole, but my friends' cars (08>) changed my mind and I gave Subaru another chance, and now I love them. I wouldn't keep an '08 if it was given to me though.. And the newer base cars are hideous and look even more like every other car manufacturer.

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I would love the help. Where you live at. I'm in Jackson. Pm me and let me know
NorthWest side of Grand Rapids... That's a fair drive for either one of us. See my next response though.

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The following is all at idle after driving in town for about 5 miles

Afr commanded 14.63:1
Afr measured. 14.59:1 - 14.72:1
Fuel flow rate per hour .98-1.08L/hour
Fuel flow rate per min. 16.29-18.02cc/min
Fuel trim bank 1 long term. -3.12%
Short term it showed only .78, 0, -.78, -1.56%
O2 sensor 1 wide range voltage raw value 2.16-2.8
Sensor 2 was -.09 - .79
Iat 127deg
Rpm 700
Coolant temp 195.8deg

When driving with cruise on at 40mph both fuel trims were less than 5% positive and negative. There was once for a split second it when to positive 6.12.

Hope this helps out and are the numbers your asking for. This is the newest car I've had and I want to make sure it is running at its best. Thanks for all your help. Like I said when it comes to tuning and numbers I'm deff a noob but I do want to learn. So if I ask retarded questions to you all I'm sorry.
Everything looks fine as far as I can tell man. I wouldn't worry about it at all. If you're really worried you may want to send all of that info off to an e-tuner, like Ron from PhatBotti, and see if he can give you any reassurance or not.

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Travis, did I spy your car for sale on the list?
Yes sir! I'm trying to sell it for a number of reasons, but mainly because I try to baby it because it's in such good condition/low miles, and because I do that I really don't enjoy driving it all. I want an older car that I can just beat to **** and be happy. There's a 02 WRX Wagon that took a shot in the ass, and the guy only wants 2500 bucks for it.. That'd be perfect for me!

We'll see if it sells though. So far, I've only gotten offers of cars worth the same as mine, and that's exactly what I don't want. I've had a couple cash offers, but no one has come up with money.

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Old 07-20-2012, 09:31 PM   #5142
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@travisty thanks a lot for the help. Do you think any kind of tuning would help anything or not worth the time

Edit....guys at work say my car looks like a focus. I hate it
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:17 PM   #5143
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@travisty thanks a lot for the help. Do you think any kind of tuning would help anything or not worth the time

Edit....guys at work say my car looks like a focus. I hate it
LOL! Hey, the Focus is a pretty snazzy looking car nowadays.

Tuning your car will definitely help, but I don't know that it'd be enough for you to even notice. The rule of thumb I've heard is that if you can't increase the power by 10%, you won't feel the difference.

One thing you 08+ guys may want to try is Williaty's throttle mapping change. The drive-by-wire on your car is a very non-linear ramp for throttle pedal position/engine torque request. "Click Me" is a very good read on just that.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:42 PM   #5144
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I hate this drive by wire cramp.delay in throttle and expensive to fix
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:01 PM   #5145
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I hate this drive by wire cramp.delay in throttle and expensive to fix
I agree with that completely. I know why Subaru did it, but it still sucks for us guys that know how to drive a vehicle better than the majority of owners. Same thing with the cable/hydraulic clutch.. I much prefer the feel of a cable, but it's not as easy for the masses to use compared with hydraulic. Sometimes technology "advances" really suck.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:52 PM   #5146
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this is a long shot in the dark but i was wondering if someone in the area has a factory fuel pressure regulator i could buy off them i have an 04 sti and mine stopped flowing fuel.... just dead heading the fuel system so needless to say car is a little rich. i checked all the local parts shops and of course no one has one if anyone can help me out let me know. i would just order one but i have a dyno tune on tuesday so trying to find one before then...thanks for any help
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I have a set of fuel lines for a topfeed 550cc car ('06+ WRX, '07+ STI). If that FPR will work, let me know.

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I have a set of fuel lines for a topfeed 550cc car ('06+ WRX, '07+ STI). If that FPR will work, let me know.

Nick
is that the round cylinder style that has a inlet on the bottom outlet on the side and a boost/vac line on the top??
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:30 PM   #5149
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I need to replace my timing belt and water pump on a 05 wrx any suggestion were to take it? Fox Subaru quoted me $850 parts and labor.
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Lakeside auto on belding road in rockford any work i need done i dont want to do i take it there . They told me 600ish for my timing belt and waterpump. Owners name is jeff they are good people
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