Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday July 13, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
New England Subaru Impreza Club
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Chapters > New England Impreza Club Forum -- NESIC

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-13-2001, 08:17 PM   #1
Patrick Olsen
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy 2.5GT
QuickSilver Metallic

Talking OT: The Mustang goes under the knife (pics)

Well, there are a few pictures of the Mustang's extensive surgery here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...221&a=12911164 . First comes the rollbar and new subframe connectors, then comes the torque arm and panhard bar rear suspension setup.

For the uninitiated, the '93+ Camaros/Firebirds have a torque arm and panhard bar from the factory, which is probably the biggest reason they handle better than any Mustang (other than the '99+ Cobra with its IRS) when it comes to auto-x and OT. The torque arm gives the car a huge improvement in traction, while the panhard bar laterally locates the axle and makes things operate a bit more smoothly. You can look here http://www.alanchavis.com/mmtapb/mmtapb.htm to see 4 pages worth of photos of a TA/PB setup being installed.

I can't wait to get the car back - it should be a completely different beast. Of course, the "to do" list on the damn thing is out of control right now - Lord only knows when the thing will truly be done.

Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
'89 Mustang GT convertible, blown and intercooled
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Patrick Olsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 02:50 AM   #2
paultg
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 437
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Londonderry, NH
Vehicle:
'91 Miata MX5 (Red)
'09 Impreza OBS (Blk/Gry)

Post

Wow, I did not know your putting a 6-point in the car. Can you say stiff, no body flex, I thought you could..

I can't wait for a fun run in this car!

Paul G.
paultg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 07:12 AM   #3
m750
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 2278
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Pepperell MA
Vehicle:
8Sti | 07 allez
White | Comp

Post

Pat,
I showed your post to a friend w/ a mustang and he wanted me to ask you a few questions,


Quote:
I have some questions about your setup. I have Flowmaster 2.5" exhaust and a stock H pipe and a FMS aluminum drivesaft. I am concerned with clearances. What affect do you expect on ground clearence? I also have an 87 lx convertable and I have Kenny brown square welded in subs. I have a mig welder and access to a lift - do see any gotchas in me doing this myself? What was the total cost of all this?

Thanks

Lou
m750 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 08:33 AM   #4
Patrick Olsen
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy 2.5GT
QuickSilver Metallic

Post

Aaron - Tell your friend Lou to check out http://www.maximummotorsports.com/onlinecat.html for info on pricing. I went with a torque arm package, which included the heavy-duty torque arm, panhard bar, and height adjustable rear lower control arms for around $1270. The normal torque arm is $200 cheaper, but can only take 425lb-ft (at the flywheel), and I'm probably over that. Anyway, add in some H&R rear springs for another $139.

As for exhaust clearance, I think the Flowmaster pipes will be a problem around the panhard bar bracket. The bracket is designed to clear the stock exhaust routing, which Dynomax follows pretty closely, but apparently Flowmaster is a bit different. I had Flowmaster 3-chambers with Dynomax tailpipes on the car for years, so you could always do that. The Dynomax tailpipes are pretty inexpensive, much cheaper than the Flowmaster ones.

As for the subframe connectors, MM says the KB ones aren't strong enough to take the loads imparted by the torque arm. They recently began selling some add-on pieces that weld to the KB SFCs to make them taller (hence stronger in bending), or you can chop out the KB ones and get full-length MM SFCs. That's what I did, and I kinda wish I hadn't - if the KB SFCs are welded in there well, it's a huge PITA to get them out.

Last but not least, can you do it yourself? I dunno. Give the guys at MM a call - they're extremely friendly and helpful, and will tell you everything you need to know.

Feel free to email me with more questions (thepno95@earthlink.net) so we don't bore the Subaru crowd with too much Mustang babble.

Pat
Patrick Olsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 10:33 AM   #5
Ru fan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1605
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Middletown, CT USA
Vehicle:
1997 1.8L Brighton
NESIC TrackH0z member#1

Post

Cool beans yo! Hey pat, I saw your car at LRP this past Saturday, and I saw the red Stang #6.

Later,
Seth E.
Ru fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 03:34 PM   #6
Patrick Olsen
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy 2.5GT
QuickSilver Metallic

Post

Cool, Seth - it's good to be recognized! Joe in the #6 car took first in ITE, qualifying about 2.5sec quicker than the 2nd place car, and finishing the race about 20sec ahead of 2nd place. I had never been to an SCCA Road Racing event - that's quite a production! I had no idea it would be so big.

Pat
Patrick Olsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2001, 10:06 PM   #7
Jonathan
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 4021
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Natick, MA USA
Vehicle:
1999 Legacy GT Ltd
Quick Silver Metallic

Post

Stupid question :

Can't you just purchase a Cobra IRS subframe ? (I am not sure if your torque tube would work with this setup or not).

I think the IRS subframe is basically a bolt-on piece holding the new Rear Diff. I would think that the torque tube setup is more for drag racers than for people searching for the ultimate in handling ?
Jonathan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2001, 08:53 PM   #8
Patrick Olsen
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy 2.5GT
QuickSilver Metallic

Post

Jonathan - Theoretically, yes, you could put the Cobra IRS into a Fox-body Mustang. As much as the outside of the car has changed in the past 8 years or so, the underpinnings of the Mustang (even the brand new ones) are still based on the '79 Fairmont. Sweet, eh?

Anyway, the problem with trying to do that conversion is that it's not a straight swap, and a very limited number of people have done it. Any sort of conversion stuff would have to be custom fabricated. The Max Motorsports TA and PB is a straight bolt/weld-on affair. There are other problems, too, like I think the rear track is quite a bit wider - 3" maybe? - so the fenders would have to be flared out. That wider rear track would also make the car's tendency to understeer even worse (of course, the added grip of the torque arm will do the same thing to some extent, but it will be easier to tune around that). And, of course, the cost of a complete Cobra IRS is very high at this point, because there just aren't a whole lot of them around to scavenge from.

It would definitely be sweet, but you'd have to have some serious $$$ to get it all set up right.

Pat
Patrick Olsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2001, 02:33 PM   #9
Subedave
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1872
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: pinned to my seat
Vehicle:
03 SVT Cobra
508rwhp 490rwtq

Question

Hey Pat,

Do you know anything about the griggs racing suspensions?

Dave
Subedave is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Batmobile goes under the knife... Project Hybrid Build begins!!! brcewane Member's Car Gallery 817 08-25-2013 09:24 PM
Pics Of the Bugeye before it goes under the knife. smileyou Member's Car Gallery 21 12-05-2008 05:44 PM
The King Goes to the Drive Thru (Halloweenur Pics) Scubiedoo Off-Topic 35 10-31-2005 05:21 PM
Mastro Monster goes under the knife... Opie South East Region Forum 48 01-24-2005 08:43 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.