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Old 02-04-2009, 11:41 PM   #26
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global warming is just a money grab. its not your fault. if it was, why would the polar caps on mars be melting, or saturn's moons?


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=72317

don't listen to the politicians that blame YOU for what the SUN is doing. if there is one thing you learn from science, it must be to ask questions, about everything.

also, don't forget that the biggest factor by a wide margin in the "greenhouse gas" effect, and that the most abundant and therefore most influential "greenhouse gas" is your old friend H20 in the form of vapour.

(makes that hydrogen car that spits out water instead of co2 look worse than internal cumbustion, doesn't it?)
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:11 AM   #27
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global warming is just a money grab. its not your fault. if it was, why would the polar caps on mars be melting, or saturn's moons?
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Encouraging the use of products from "carbon neutral" companies and more fuel efficient cars is a cash grab? Ever been to LA? Yeah... not our fault... Get real.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:17 AM   #28
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you bleet for the future like a herd of sheep
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:19 AM   #29
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It's a pessimistic approach because look how long it takes people to discuss this, while the problem gets worse, it's like having a meeting of what to do when a tidal wave comes, while there is one offshore showing up.

People are too concerned now with making money then with change, and all the people that want to make a change feel they can't, IE everyone still driving, if we all cared alittle more we would stop driving and adapte our lifestyles, but we are too comfortable.

Yes I agree the CFC thing did a big change and people made a giant about face on it, but if you look at the whole Global warming issue, there are signs but people are disproving them, which inturn means people have doubts. You cound't disprove a giant hole in the ozone, it was there, it was real.

3rd worlds are doing what they can to survive because no one is helping them or educating them.

We need to face the facts that if we wanted to change we could but the social upheaval would be catastrophic. So instead a gradual approach should be taken, but who puts the plan into action, or even comes up with a plan, world leaders if they gave a **** about what they walk on instead of who they walked on would be getting things done. Hopefully soon we can see some real change. And on a note of capitalism, look at what GM and the other 2 have been doing for years, LOW MPG cars and railroading bills Cali has tried to pass in the senate.
See it's easy to over look climate change because it's gradual. Winters will be cold and summers will be hot but we don't really see any sudden changes so we just pass it off as being "natural." I don't think that we should do a full 180 and change our lives by becoming nomads but balance is important and there's so many things out there we could do to just make up for the extra carbon we put in the air. Like turning off lights when we leave the room or unplugging appliances when we aren't using them. We can reuse stuff that we want to throw out or participate in recycling programs. It's not JUST about your car but about your lifestyle choices.

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I'm a firm believer in starting with the biggest problems and then working your way down and what a lot of people don't realize is.... this: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...al&Cr1=warming
I agree there's way more to it than our direct actions. We need to tell our governments that we want stricter regulations on industrial emissions and we want them now. We can choose to eat less meat (if everybody did it we really could make a difference) and it's not really going to hurt anyone except maybe your appetite.

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The problem is a big gap between the developed economy vs developing economy - the latter complained about the former making a mess and now trying to impose the same set of rules to both which would slow their economic growth, while the former believe that the latter is making the most mess right now so they have the biggest burden to clean-up. You're not going to solve that bickering - just look at Kyoto and the reasoning behind North America wanting nothing to do with it. Europe can do its share of emission reduction but until you get the Asians to buy in and help out we could kill our economy and still be nowhere near helping out the cause
I've read about this and if you look at the emissions per capita, Canada actually emits more per capita than the US and China on the other hand looks like an angel. Mind you if it wasn't for the communist regime pushing people to have children in the 70s because they felt that more people meant more productivity they wouldn't be in this predicament right now. Sure it's unfair that the western world is asking the developing countries to slow down production to help with this problem. But the bigger picture is still, we are all global citizens regardless of borders and we have a responsibility to preserve this planet.


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I'm a big fan of the idea of the very nature of life taking care of the problem for us. We as human beings think we are far more important than we actually are. We cannot destroy life on earth. We don't have that power. We can ruin the planet for ourselves, and a few other species, but life will go on regardless.

The earth has survived far worse things than us.
The earth isn't going to explode, but there won't be many of us around if the ice melts.

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global warming is just a money grab. its not your fault. if it was, why would the polar caps on mars be melting, or saturn's moons?


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=72317

don't listen to the politicians that blame YOU for what the SUN is doing. if there is one thing you learn from science, it must be to ask questions, about everything.

also, don't forget that the biggest factor by a wide margin in the "greenhouse gas" effect, and that the most abundant and therefore most influential "greenhouse gas" is your old friend H20 in the form of vapour.

(makes that hydrogen car that spits out water instead of co2 look worse than internal cumbustion, doesn't it?)
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By fighting climate change, we will be hurting the economy. Companies will be forced to meet strict emissions regulations which they don't want to. I don't know what school of economics you went to but that doesn't sound like a cash grab to me especially when the wealthy are running the government and they probably want their companies to be more profitable. The fact is, sure it creates new industries out of green technologies so what? Was the advent of the computer a conspiracy because it got rid of redundant jobs like administrative assistants and worked to strike down the poor because of more automation? The tech industry is huge and it's been nothing but good for the world economy. Your theory is flawed.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:21 AM   #30
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Paul, air quality and climate change can theoretically be two completely different unrelated issues.

There is no question that human activity can decrease air quality, as you say, go to LA. It may not be necessarily true that that decrease in air quality can cause global climate change.

The problem is that the earth naturally goes through temperature fluctuations throughout history, and that we don't have a very accurate way of knowing what those cycles are, and what our position on them is. There is certainly nothing to lose by moving to greener technologies, but we have to be very careful about that, because many of the so called green technologies are ultimately more harmful than the ones they replaced (look at nuclear power in the past, and hybrid cars now)

I personally do not believe that the majority of current climate trends can be blamed on humans, but I definitely think it's possible that we could have contributed.

I just don't care. Screw the planet. Things change, life adapts. It's been happening that way for 4 billion years. This is not a static system.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:23 AM   #31
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Haha, I know all about hybrid cars and I think they're retarded. The smog in LA is not only a demonstration of decreased air quality, but also shows how much of an impact we as inhabitants are capable of making... On top of that, it's the contents of the smog that are a big part of this whole global warming thing, which is my point, regardless of whatever is happening 'naturally', we sure as hell aren't helping our situation.

Also, just a FYI: I wasn't necessarily saying we need to eat less meat earlier, steak is delicious, but just like the food you eat affects how gassy you are, the feed given to cows directly affects how gassy they are... By modifying their diet, some groups are saying that they could cut down a cow's methane output by 20% or more
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:38 AM   #32
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geez I don't even know what to say
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:40 AM   #33
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I just don't care. Screw the planet. Things change, life adapts. It's been happening that way for 4 billion years. This is not a static system.
Yer right, it's not. Yer also right about the fact that Earth has seen worse and survived. The only thing is I kinda would like the mankind to survive as well. There are a few decent people here and there after all.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:43 AM   #34
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I bet if there'd been a political system back then, all the organisms woulda flipped their lids when the plants started poisoning the wonderful CO2 atmosphere with that nasty toxic corrosive oxygen crap.



I mean, look what that stuff does to solid METAL. Deadly.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:45 AM   #35
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My concern for my wallet is currently greater then my concern for the environment.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:14 AM   #36
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No pun intended, but the people wringing their hands about being catless are barking up the wrong tree as far as climate change is concerned.

The main function of a cat is to convert carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide, and converts NOx to diatomic nitrogen. Removing your cat means that your car is producing less carbon dioxide - of course, at the expense of nasty ground-level pollutants like oxides of nitrogen and carbon monoxide.

Cats also take care of whatever unburnt hydocarbons make it that far, so there's a small CO2 contribution from that aspect - but you guys shouldn't be sending raw fuel down the tailpipe, now should you?

As for Funkmasta, dude, I could pwn the **** out of you right now, but I won't. Search my AGW/climate change threads in OT and PP and you'll see what I'm sparing you.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:50 PM   #37
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There is more believeable scientific evidence that global cooling should be our major concern . The idiot press people want to keep on with the global warming and so said pollution . In BC the biggest polluters to the environment are the all the trees that get burnt either by forest fires or in the fall after logging clean ups . If you live in the interior you see if .. Car exhaust other than in the lower mainland is a very minor isssue . and hate to tell you this people by the lower mainland is a VERY small part of BC . If you want to make up for your missing cat or slightly rich tune . let me know and I will pull one branch out of the fire up here . and it will all balance out .

Check out the data that exists from BC research on long term "natural " climate change ..... it will change you opinions on what is going on .
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:14 PM   #38
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Global Warming is a sham,
Sustainability = Control
Goning green = More Control + Taxes
There is a lot of information out there people you just need not to look at the propoganda.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:03 AM   #39
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and most of us are still catless.... ... but what can we do about this?
The odd "tuner" car that is catless does not hurt the environment as much as the aircraft flying around at 35,000ft. Ever see a fighter jet take off at full-ab? The amount of black carbon smoke that comes out from one takeoff probably does more damage than driving around one year in your catless car.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:03 AM   #40
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As for Funkmasta, dude, I could pwn the **** out of you right now, but I won't. Search my AGW/climate change threads in OT and PP and you'll see what I'm sparing you.

you're right, you would pwn the ****ing **** right out of my *******. and i know that i know very little of the science. but when independent astronomers around the world tell me that the sun is getting warmer, i am inclined to believe them.

the point i am trying to make is that the powers that be are not above taking advantage in the climate change fad, and taxing you out the ass for everything they can think of. the carbon tax is just the first step. just another tool for control.

and i honestly do not think that a country with as small a population as ours can do anything to stop climate change, whether its happening or not. this can't be stopped by one person, community, country or even a coalition of countries under the kyoto agreement. it is a global problem(if it is a problem) and possible a problem that is solar-system wide that we have no way of controlling even if we could cut greenhouse gases by the amounts the ecomentalists think we should.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:36 AM   #41
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One of my bonfires creates more airbourne pollutants than all the catless cars in the VIC.

Seriously.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:40 AM   #42
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I work at the airport.
and air planes has no cats.
from sea level to 30,000ft take off emission is equal to one car operating non-stop for 24 hrs for 10years.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:21 PM   #43
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The optics dictate that addressing the mass public do better PR than addressing the big offenders, namely, various industries. You know, at the end of the day, with the corporate greed overflowing all over, I wouldn't be surprised that corporations would lobby for their own exceptions and threaten to pull their businesses out of the country. You know, it's tough to do but all it takes is one high profile move out of the country and the politicians would be all scared and caved to whatever demands these corporations make. The problem I see is getting every country signing to a treaty to reduce emissions, because without that, the countries that don't comply is now "open for dirty business".

Make sense or BS?
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:57 PM   #44
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So the general consensus seems to be that yeah so what kind of attitude. I suppose we all gotta die some day, might as well let fate do its work right?
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:05 PM   #45
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Anyone that doesn't think cars are hurting the environment, go park your car in the garage and close the door and leave it idling.

Think about it.

That being said, I am far from being an environmentalist and absolutely anything the governemnts are "doing" about this is nothing more than a scam to defraud the populace of even more money. It's all anything is ever about.

There is a very small handfull of extremely rich, powerful, politiclly connected people that own virtually all the worlds media.

All we ever hear is purely propoganda that is designed purely to manipulate us - we do not hear the real news about virtually anything.

Carbon taxes and carbon credits are the biggest scams going - they are merely black holes into which a massive amount of money dissapears.

Don't think for one second that politicians run anything either - they don't at all - they're complete puppets.

Yes I'm a conspiracy theorist, but if you think the world's rich and powerful people don't sit around plotting ways to become richer and more powerful you're dreaming.

I have a lot of first hand experience dealing directly with politicians and the media. I went into it all in a purely righteous, straight forward and honest manner. When I couldn't figure out the response I was getting I start digging into the people involved and their connections to one another. It's all a very dirty, tangled web.

My honest opinion is that we are all more enslaved than medieval serfs working the lords land and nobody realises it.

Absolutely everything is about stealing more and more money from our pockets and manipulating us into giving it up willingly.

Short answer, yes, we are wrecking the environment, and yes, they want us to feel guilty about it and are trying to convince us that by paying more money we can solve the problem while still wrecking it. That way, they can convince us in the future that we need to pay more because we're not currently paying enough to fix it.........
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:27 PM   #46
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Wow, 23 to 22, I can't believe there's less people that voted YES we are helping to wreck this world for us, than no we are not. No F'n wonder why we are at this juncture... Smoking cigarettes don't hurt you either guys. Right.? Do you guys still believe in that.?
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:39 PM   #47
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Wow, 23 to 22, I can't believe there's less people that voted YES we are helping to wreck this world for us, than no we are not. No F'n wonder why we are at this juncture... Smoking cigarettes don't hurt you either guys. Right.? Do you guys still believe in that.?
Goes to show that it's no long a matter of if, but when.
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I do tend to believe that Climate Change is being used to fleece our money from our pocket, but I also believe that the cause is due to human activities. Now whether I like the proposed solutions or not, that's a different matter but I will tell you that I'm not liking what comes out of this one bit, because we're still heading for a path of wealth re-distribution that favors the rich getting much richer
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